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Nov 20, 2023 20:36:31   #
Liberty Tree
 
permafrost wrote:
Historically the republicans have been constant supporters of a loose border and a constant supply of cheap labor..


More spin, no one has been more loose than Biden. Trump was not loose.

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Nov 20, 2023 20:51:28   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
XXX wrote:
Thanks for the answers. I still think a wall would be a start at the problem. If not what then?


That is a good question.. not at all sure... technology comes to mind, night cameras, heat detection, sound alarms, constant heli patrols.,, how about more dogs.. the only things i think of all need more man power and the BP is already the largest of all law enforcement agencies..

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Nov 20, 2023 20:52:39   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
More spin, no one has been more loose than Biden. Trump was not loose.


Trump was mentally unbalanced before he was allowed to slither into the oval..

Biden is burst of springtime in comparison..

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Nov 20, 2023 21:52:00   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Archie,, to me it seems very logical.. I posted a few answers to XXX if you care to look..


I read your answers.
If what you say is true, why did you, and your people throw such a fit about Governor Abbot putting floating barriers across the Rio Grande?
I mean, since the majority of them come by planes, trains, and automobiles and all.
Damn you're dumb....

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Nov 20, 2023 23:50:12   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
permafrost wrote:
C and P from a couple of sources..

Why did Democrats say that the US can't afford a $12B wall to defend our own border before giving $300B to Ukraine to defend the Ukraine-Russia border?
We don’t say we can’t afford it, we say it’s a waste of money. There’s a difference. The wall doesn’t do what the Republicans think it does.

This is a classic example of being trapped in a narrative. We tell stories to understand the world, then we mistake those stories for the world. Republicans hear “illegal immigrant” and a story pops into their head of a Mexican creeping across the border in the dead of night. That happens every now and then, but it isn’t common. Most illegal immigrants drive through a checkpoint or fly in to the US, get their passports stamped, then never leave when their visa expires.

Walls won’t stop that.

But Republican’s can’t tell the difference between the story in their head—the Mexican sneaking across the border—and the reality of what happens. So they are literally, not metaphorically but literally, incapable of understanding the argument that walls don’t work. They cannot cognitively process it. They cannot jump outside the story in their head long enough to grasp it.

Ukraine is another example. Republicans talk about “the US spending money to support Ukraine,” and they imagine, I don’t know, a C-130 loaded with pallets of $100 bills.

That’s not what’s happening.

We’re sending them old military equipment that was, in most cases, slated to be destroyed and replaced anyway. The “dollar value” is the cost of replacing it…which we were going to do anyway.

But again, those words mean nothing. They’re just gibberish, because in order to understand the argument, you have to let go of the story in oyur head about pallets of cash, and Republicans can’t do that.

I’m not just busting on Republicans. We all, to some extent, see the world through narratives. But in those particular examples, the Republican narrative is firmly entrenched and Republicans seem cognitively incapable of seeing the world any other way.
C and P from a couple of sources.. br br Why did... (show quote)


***Why did Democrats say that the US can't afford a $12B wall to defend our own border before giving $300B to Ukraine to defend the Ukraine-Russia border?
We don’t say we can’t afford it, we say it’s a waste of money. There’s a difference. The wall doesn’t do what the Republicans think it does.
>>>And the money going to Ukraine doesn't do what you say is does. It causes 100,000s of deaths to Ukraine people for a war that never should have started if it wasn't for American involvement were we shouldn't have been in the first place.

And the rest of your story is also full of bnull schitte. You just can't quit out right lying and twisting the truth to support your wrong narrative. You are nothing more then a troll.

Troll alert. Big time.

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Nov 21, 2023 00:02:54   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
permafrost wrote:
I find a number of odd things about the BP when I take the time to look a little..

On Ukraine, I am so biased for Ukraine, knowing a few from my old high school days.. that I simply back anything that will seemingly help them and let it all flow down the stream of time..

But you may have seen me post a plot line that Hamas was inspired by Putin to spread disorder to more of the world.. Yes,, I seem to be a lone champion for that plot..

yes, I looked at that 6 chart article also..
I find a number of odd things about the BP when I ... (show quote)


I have my doubts that Russia encouraged Hamas... But I'd be interested in reading the article...

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Nov 21, 2023 00:12:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
archie bunker wrote:
I read your answers.
If what you say is true, why did you, and your people throw such a fit about Governor Abbot putting floating barriers across the Rio Grande?
I mean, since the majority of them come by planes, trains, and automobiles and all.
Damn you're dumb....


One would think that the Abbot wire was a design not to stop people but to drown kids and fat women..

did you not read the reports beyond the headline????? Do you think drowning them is a good idea???
No, I do not mean drowning most of them, only some of them , the weakest and most vulnerable.. who do you think that would focus on??

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Nov 21, 2023 00:29:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***Why did Democrats say that the US can't afford a $12B wall to defend our own border before giving $300B to Ukraine to defend the Ukraine-Russia border?
We don’t say we can’t afford it, we say it’s a waste of money. There’s a difference. The wall doesn’t do what the Republicans think it does.
>>>And the money going to Ukraine doesn't do what you say is does. It causes 100,000s of deaths to Ukraine people for a war that never should have started if it wasn't for American involvement were we shouldn't have been in the first place.

And the rest of your story is also full of bnull schitte. You just can't quit out right lying and twisting the truth to support your wrong narrative. You are nothing more then a troll.

Troll alert. Big time.
***Why did Democrats say that the US can't afford ... (show quote)


do you, in any honesty think putin would stop, give Ukraine freedom if we did not help Ukraine.. Putin was making war on them before we or any other country ever gave Ukraine a single rifle or artillery shell.. If you think Putin is ever to be trusted or shown any trust you are not seeing the truth in the acts which are being done in front of the whole world..

As members of NATO we are obligated to protect the EU from the designs of Russia.. that can not be done by giving gifts to Putin and his gang.. only a strong presence and action will halt the russian drive for territory and the effort to rebuild the USSR with Putin as the dictator.. do you think that if the rest of the world stood back and let Putin have his way that no Ukrainians would be killed..

You are the one showing foolishness and total absence of any consciousness or concern for the world which does include the USA... if any war like nation rolls unchecked, in due course it will reach this country with ill intent..

Only fools think gifts to evil would ever render it to change.. Wake up and show some concern for the proven tyrant..



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Nov 21, 2023 00:36:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I have my doubts that Russia encouraged Hamas... But I'd be interested in reading the article...



does fall into the wild conspiracy group.. but I honestly like it.. ahh..

Wish I could find it or the link.. the idea basically was that trump had the boxes of classified data, he sold/gave some to Russia, that contained Israeli defense info.. russia gave/sold it to Iran. Iran than Gave/sold it to Hamas.. and so it unfolds.. I will look some more for the article, much better then hearing it from me...

I have always been interested in art.... it is the art , I tell you!!!
I have always been interested in art.... it is the...

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Nov 21, 2023 00:42:49   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***Why did Democrats say that the US can't afford a $12B wall to defend our own border before giving $300B to Ukraine to defend the Ukraine-Russia border?
We don’t say we can’t afford it, we say it’s a waste of money. There’s a difference. The wall doesn’t do what the Republicans think it does.
>>>And the money going to Ukraine doesn't do what you say is does. It causes 100,000s of deaths to Ukraine people for a war that never should have started if it wasn't for American involvement were we shouldn't have been in the first place.

And the rest of your story is also full of bnull schitte. You just can't quit out right lying and twisting the truth to support your wrong narrative. You are nothing more then a troll.

Troll alert. Big time.
***Why did Democrats say that the US can't afford ... (show quote)


keep in mind that the equipment is on the old junk pile for our military and set to be disposed of anyway, so much better Ukraine puts it to good use rather than it just goes in the junk pile.

Big win both for the Military war machine and the american pocket book..

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Nov 21, 2023 00:44:50   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
permafrost wrote:
does fall into the wild conspiracy group.. but I honestly like it.. ahh..

Wish I could find it or the link.. the idea basically was that trump had the boxes of classified data, he sold/gave some to Russia, that contained Israeli defense info.. russia gave/sold it to Iran. Iran than Gave/sold it to Hamas.. and so it unfolds.. I will look some more for the article, much better then hearing it from me...


I enjoy conspiracy theories

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Nov 21, 2023 00:50:39   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I enjoy conspiracy theories


Not the article I read but interesting.. also not backed up..

ttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/14/unverified-rumours-of-russia-arming-hamas-persist-as-war-rages-in-gaza#:~:text=An%20expert%20renews%20claims%20that,despite%20a%20lack%20of%20evidence.&text=Kyiv%2C%20Ukraine%20–%20When%20Hamas%2

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Nov 21, 2023 00:56:16   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
permafrost wrote:
Not the article I read but interesting.. also not backed up..

ttps://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/14/unverified-rumours-of-russia-arming-hamas-persist-as-war-rages-in-gaza#:~:text=An%20expert%20renews%20claims%20that,despite%20a%20lack%20of%20evidence.&text=Kyiv%2C%20Ukraine%20–%20When%20Hamas%2


the link didn't work...
I'll search for it...
I like aljazeera

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Nov 21, 2023 01:21:33   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
permafrost wrote:
keep in mind that the equipment is on the old junk pile for our military and set to be disposed of anyway, so much better Ukraine puts it to good use rather than it just goes in the junk pile.

Big win both for the Military war machine and the american pocket book..

You are wrong about almost all you posted on this thread. America built special tanks for Ukraine. That's why it took 8 months to deliver. The rockets were right out of our arsenal. Leaving less for us. The border wall was asked for by the border patrol. There is a video of a guy doing a ride along with a border patrol agent. It's about an hour long, but it will get you cought up to date with what is happening . The kids and fat old ladies you talk about drowning in Texas, do you think they are swimming for their health? Maybe at a rest stop while driving across the border? Nope. That's why Mexicans are referred to as wetbacks less then 50%of the border crossers are Mexicans. If it were up to me I'd have motion detectors that would electrify the fence when you got near it. But there are places we can't build a fence because it is indian land. Many cross at this point. Watch the video you'll learn a lot.
Putin would love to see the USSR back together but he knows it isn't going to happen. He don't want Ukraine. He just wants the eastern part to be independent of Ukraine. As so the people living in the Donbas region. They got tired of Kiev dropping bombs on them and called for independence to. The crossdresser won't let them and the UN isn't helping. So Putin is backing them. It's his job. He is the leader of the Russia. People. He has tried to negotiate but the west won't let Ukraine sit down with Putin . This conflict should have ended months ago . NATO won't let it. And Ukraine isn't even a NATO country. NATO should be disbanded. It was only created because Russia can cancel our vote in the UN. So we created NATOto give us the right to do anything to any country without fear of breaking any laws and no repercussions. Look what they did to Libya. That was worse then war crimes. But NATO answers to no one.

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Nov 21, 2023 04:05:30   #
Knightlady
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
When Democrats say walls do not work they mean walls do not work in helping them bring in more illegals.


You do hear about Dems building walls around their property for security. They had chain link barriers around most of the important federal buildings forever for security. Why not a wall for the rest of us?

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