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Nov 12, 2023 02:28:26   #
PeterS
 
Are these true or false and why?



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Nov 12, 2023 05:35:49   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Are these true or false and why?


Scientists cannot explain:
* why humans and animals yawn,
* why we sleep and dream,
* why we laugh,
* why cats purr,
* the Placebo effect,
* why a bicycle remains upright when ridden,
* why one type of mushroom grows only in two places on Earth: Texas and Japan.
* why a tomato has more genes than a human
* why water (H2O) is the only element in the universe that expands when it cools and contracts when heated,
* why ice is slippery.

That's just a sampling of simple things science cannot explain, there are many more that are far more complex,
like why the nucleotides in a DNA strand are digitally coded to perform a specific function. The only reasonable explanation presupposes an intelligence.


Just finished reading this extraordinary science tour de force
by Dr. Stephen Meyer, a physicist and philosopher of science,

Return to the God Hypothesis: Three Scientific Discoveries that Reveal the Mind behind the Universe.
The New York Times bestselling author of Darwin’s Doubt presents groundbreaking scientific evidence of the existence of God, based on breakthroughs in physics, cosmology, and biology.

Beginning in the late 19th century, many intellectuals began to insist that scientific knowledge conflicts with traditional theistic belief — that science and belief in God are “at war.” Philosopher of science Stephen Meyer challenges this view by examining three scientific discoveries with decidedly theistic implications. Building on the case for the intelligent design of life that he developed in Signature in the Cell and Darwin’s Doubt, Meyer demonstrates how discoveries in cosmology and physics coupled with those in biology help to establish the identity of the designing intelligence behind life and the universe.

Meyer argues that theism — with its affirmation of a transcendent, intelligent and active creator — best explains the evidence we have concerning biological and cosmological origins. Previously Meyer refrained from attempting to answer questions about “who” might have designed life. Now he provides an evidence-based answer to perhaps the ultimate mystery of the universe. In so doing, he reveals a stunning conclusion: the data support not just the existence of an intelligent designer of some kind — but the existence of a personal God.


My experience with this book was an exhilarating challenge. Dr. Meyer noted in the prologue that he tried to make the deep scientific theories and methods accessible to the widest readership, but because of complex mathematical equations and a profusion of graphics showing the scientific principles and experiments at work, a background in science would be beneficial. I found that to be true, it helped me a good deal. Even so, there are some portions of the argument that are a bit of a struggle to comprehend. As a whole, this book is epic, there is a massive amount of science, both atheistic and theistic. And the title of the book begins with "Return", which can mean only one thing.
That scientists at some point in the past based their work on a God Hypothesis.

This of course is absolutely true.
The founders of modern science were theists, and many of them were Christians.
Then in the 19th century came Holyoake, Darwin, and Nietzsche.
The origin of the species and "God is dead" began to dispel the notion of a creator,
and scientific theories became naturalist/materialist.
They went to extreme lengths with mathematical calculations to create an argument for something from nothing.
With impeccable logic and a well organized presentation, using fundamental laws of science, Dr. Meyer's argument for intelligent design is a mind blower.

From the scientific community on Meyer's book:

"A marvelous compendium of indisputable scientific evidence in support of the existence of God."
Dr. Marcus Eberlin, professor of chemistry, MacKenzie University. Brazilian Academy of Sciences, Thomson Medalist.

"A state-of-the-art treatise on arguments and counterarguments about intelligent design. It performs a gigaton task of covering the origin of everything from molecular machinery to the entire universe. A much-needed book.
Dr. Stuart Burgess, professor of engineering design, Bristol University; research fellow, Clare Hall, University of Cambridge.

"With this book, Stephen Meyer earns a place in the pantheon of distinquished, non-reductive natural philosophers of the last 120 years, from the great French savant Pierre Duhem through A.N. Whitehead to Michael Polyani.
He has written a profound, judicious book of great value combining both advanced, detailed scientific expertise and philosophicsal, integrative wisdom."
Professor Michael D. Aeschliman, emeritus Boston University; author of The Restoration of Man.

"A meticulously researched, lavishly illustrated, and thoroughly argued case against the new atheism.
Even if your mind is made up--especially if it is--Meyer's refreshing take on humanity's most unbridgeable divide between secular and divine accounts of origins of the Universe, is a joy to read. You may not come come away convinced, but you'll be richer for the journey."
Dr. Brian Keating, Chancellor's Distinguished Professor of Physics, UC-San Diego, author of Losing the Nobel Prize.

"Meyer masterfully summarizes the current evidence from cosmology, physics, and biology showing that the more we learn about the universe and nature, the more relevant the God Hypothesis becomes."
Dr. Anthony Futerman, Joseph Meyerhoff Professor of Biochemistry, Weizmann Institute, Israel.

"Reviewing all relevant evidence from cosmology to molecular biology, Meyer builds and irrefutable 'case for God'
while delivering an unanswerable set of logical and scientific broadsides against the currently fashionable materialistic/atheistic worldview, Meyer builds his argument relentlessly, omitting no significant area of debate.
The logic throughout is compelling and the book almost impossible to put down. Meyer is a master at clarifying complex issues, making the text accessible to the widest possible audience. Readers will be struck by Meyer's extraordinary depth of knowledge in every relevant area. The book is a masterpiece and will be widely cited in years to come. The best, most lucid, comprehensive defense of the 'God Hypothesis' in print. No other publication comes close. A unique tour de force."
Michael Denton, MD, PhD, former senior research fellow, biochemistry, University of Otago; author of Nature's Destiny.

"This is a long overdue book that until now neither scientific experts nor religious believers had the courage to write. For those genuinely curious about the God Hypothesis, this book provides the fairest, most comprehensive statement available."
Dr. Steve Fuller, Auguste Comte Chair in Social Epistemology, University of Warwick: author of Knowledge: The Philosophical Quest in History.

"This is a truly superb analysis of the relevant evidence. Stephen Meyer convincingly demonstrates that the God hypothesis is not just an adequate explanation for the origin of our fine-tuned universe and biosphere, it is the best explanation."
Professor David Galloway, MD, DSc, FRCS, FRCP, College of Medical, Veterinary & Life Sciences, University of Glasgow; former president, Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow.



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Nov 12, 2023 05:41:58   #
Publius Twee
 
When a word contains eism or ism it designates that word as being a belief in something not a conclusion of something.

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Nov 12, 2023 06:21:34   #
Publius Twee
 
I do agree with you that science is a method and not a faith. The method that science uses to extract money from governments is exactly the same method used by churches to extract money from their followers. Instead of preaching in the case of religion a sense of hope ,happiness, and peace. Science preaches a sense of destruction, disaster, and in most cases a total ending of mankind as we know it. If you have any doubts about my statements about science
simply read any sermon written or spoken by these global warming scientists. Their main topic is always the same if governments do not spend trillions of dollars on the elimination of greenhouse gases the world is coming to an end. Sounds like the chapter of Geniuses to me.

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Nov 12, 2023 06:42:42   #
Publius Twee
 
Skepticism (that old ism again) can not possible be a form of thinking. It is nothing more or less than a belief in something or against something. People use skepticism in an attempt to get other people to accept their beliefs. It is real simple to point at something and say "This is what is wrong with that" with out any mindful thinking at all. This is exactly what any critic does.

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Nov 12, 2023 07:05:46   #
Liberty Tree
 
PeterS wrote:
Are these true or false and why?


It is not that atheists do not believe in God. It is they do not want there to be a God. Therefore, they search for justification for their predetermined rejection of God.

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Nov 12, 2023 07:16:40   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
PeterS wrote:
Are these true or false and why?



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Nov 12, 2023 07:27:43   #
Liberty Tree
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
It is not that atheists do not believe in God. It is they do not want there to be a God. Therefore, they search for justification for their predetermined rejection of God.


True, because if they were not you would not work so hard at being an anti-Christian bigot to try and prove your point.

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Nov 12, 2023 07:47:46   #
Sew_What
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Scientists cannot explain:
* why humans and animals yawn,
* why we sleep and dream,
* why we laugh,
* why cats purr,
* the Placebo effect,
* why a bicycle remains upright when ridden,
* why one type of mushroom grows only in two places on Earth: Texas and Japan.
* why a tomato has more genes than a human
* why water (H2O) is the only element in the universe that expands when it cools and contracts when heated,
* why ice is slippery.

That's just a sampling of simple things science cannot explain, there are many more that are far more complex,
like why the nucleotides in a DNA strand are digitally coded to perform a specific function. The only reasonable explanation presupposes an intelligence.


Just finished reading this extraordinary science tour de force
by Dr. Stephen Meyer, a physicist and philosopher of science,

Return to the God Hypothesis: Three Scientific Discoveries that Reveal the Mind behind the Universe.
The New York Times bestselling author of Darwin’s Doubt presents groundbreaking scientific evidence of the existence of God, based on breakthroughs in physics, cosmology, and biology.

Beginning in the late 19th century, many intellectuals began to insist that scientific knowledge conflicts with traditional theistic belief — that science and belief in God are “at war.” Philosopher of science Stephen Meyer challenges this view by examining three scientific discoveries with decidedly theistic implications. Building on the case for the intelligent design of life that he developed in Signature in the Cell and Darwin’s Doubt, Meyer demonstrates how discoveries in cosmology and physics coupled with those in biology help to establish the identity of the designing intelligence behind life and the universe.

Meyer argues that theism — with its affirmation of a transcendent, intelligent and active creator — best explains the evidence we have concerning biological and cosmological origins. Previously Meyer refrained from attempting to answer questions about “who” might have designed life. Now he provides an evidence-based answer to perhaps the ultimate mystery of the universe. In so doing, he reveals a stunning conclusion: the data support not just the existence of an intelligent designer of some kind — but the existence of a personal God.


My experience with this book was an exhilarating challenge. Dr. Meyer noted in the prologue that he tried to make the deep scientific theories and methods accessible to the widest readership, but because of complex mathematical equations and a profusion of graphics showing the scientific principles and experiments at work, a background in science would be beneficial. I found that to be true, it helped me a good deal. Even so, there are some portions of the argument that are a bit of a struggle to comprehend. As a whole, this book is epic, there is a massive amount of science, both atheistic and theistic. And the title of the book begins with "Return", which can mean only one thing.
That scientists at some point in the past based their work on a God Hypothesis.

This of course is absolutely true.
The founders of modern science were theists, and many of them were Christians.
Then in the 19th century came Holyoake, Darwin, and Nietzsche.
The origin of the species and "God is dead" began to dispel the notion of a creator,
and scientific theories became naturalist/materialist.
They went to extreme lengths with mathematical calculations to create an argument for something from nothing.
With impeccable logic and a well organized presentation, using fundamental laws of science, Dr. Meyer's argument for intelligent design is a mind blower.

From the scientific community on Meyer's book:

"A marvelous compendium of indisputable scientific evidence in support of the existence of God."
Dr. Marcus Eberlin, professor of chemistry, MacKenzie University. Brazilian Academy of Sciences, Thomson Medalist.

"A state-of-the-art treatise on arguments and counterarguments about intelligent design. It performs a gigaton task of covering the origin of everything from molecular machinery to the entire universe. A much-needed book.
Dr. Stuart Burgess, professor of engineering design, Bristol University; research fellow, Clare Hall, University of Cambridge.

"With this book, Stephen Meyer earns a place in the pantheon of distinquished, non-reductive natural philosophers of the last 120 years, from the great French savant Pierre Duhem through A.N. Whitehead to Michael Polyani.
He has written a profound, judicious book of great value combining both advanced, detailed scientific expertise and philosophicsal, integrative wisdom."
Professor Michael D. Aeschliman, emeritus Boston University; author of The Restoration of Man.

"A meticulously researched, lavishly illustrated, and thoroughly argued case against the new atheism.
Even if your mind is made up--especially if it is--Meyer's refreshing take on humanity's most unbridgeable divide between secular and divine accounts of origins of the Universe, is a joy to read. You may not come come away convinced, but you'll be richer for the journey."
Dr. Brian Keating, Chancellor's Distinguished Professor of Physics, UC-San Diego, author of Losing the Nobel Prize.

"Meyer masterfully summarizes the current evidence from cosmology, physics, and biology showing that the more we learn about the universe and nature, the more relevant the God Hypothesis becomes."
Dr. Anthony Futerman, Joseph Meyerhoff Professor of Biochemistry, Weizmann Institute, Israel.

"Reviewing all relevant evidence from cosmology to molecular biology, Meyer builds and irrefutable 'case for God'
while delivering an unanswerable set of logical and scientific broadsides against the currently fashionable materialistic/atheistic worldview, Meyer builds his argument relentlessly, omitting no significant area of debate.
The logic throughout is compelling and the book almost impossible to put down. Meyer is a master at clarifying complex issues, making the text accessible to the widest possible audience. Readers will be struck by Meyer's extraordinary depth of knowledge in every relevant area. The book is a masterpiece and will be widely cited in years to come. The best, most lucid, comprehensive defense of the 'God Hypothesis' in print. No other publication comes close. A unique tour de force."
Michael Denton, MD, PhD, former senior research fellow, biochemistry, University of Otago; author of Nature's Destiny.

"This is a long overdue book that until now neither scientific experts nor religious believers had the courage to write. For those genuinely curious about the God Hypothesis, this book provides the fairest, most comprehensive statement available."
Dr. Steve Fuller, Auguste Comte Chair in Social Epistemology, University of Warwick: author of Knowledge: The Philosophical Quest in History.

"This is a truly superb analysis of the relevant evidence. Stephen Meyer convincingly demonstrates that the God hypothesis is not just an adequate explanation for the origin of our fine-tuned universe and biosphere, it is the best explanation."
Professor David Galloway, MD, DSc, FRCS, FRCP, College of Medical, Veterinary & Life Sciences, University of Glasgow; former president, Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow.
Scientists cannot explain: br * why humans and ani... (show quote)


Scientists cannot explain:
* why humans and animals yawn
They need to go to Republican Rally
* why we sleep and dream,
Same answer as above, with one caveat, the Republican Party is where "dreams go to die". You notice that Republicans never remember their dreams.
* why we laugh,
We're laughing at Republicans-they unknowingly invented the joke that they don't get.
* why cats purr,
Is this really a topic that Republicans haven't already squashed because it doesn't improve our economy
* the Placebo effect,
I think this is an on-going discovery, but fundamentally we're wired to be optimistic-except for Republicans; they "designed" to squash any critical thinking.
* why a bicycle remains upright when ridden,
Torque generated from wheels in motion, that's why vehicles have camber settings. I build an design Struts for a living.
* why one type of mushroom grows only in two places on Earth: Texas and Japan.
Both places like to keep everything in the dark.
* why a tomato has more genes than a human
Why don't you ask God-since I assume you know how to pray.
* why water (H2O) is the only element in the universe that expands when it cools and contracts when heated,
It's stability, they do know the answer. How could you ice fish?
* why ice is slippery.
Friction causes the ice to melt, laminar flow is created. A doi?

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Nov 12, 2023 08:00:56   #
Liberty Tree
 
Sew_What wrote:
Scientists cannot explain:
* why humans and animals yawn
They need to go to Republican Rally
* why we sleep and dream,
Same answer as above, with one caveat, the Republican Party is where "dreams go to die". You notice that Republicans never remember their dreams.
* why we laugh,
We're laughing at Republicans-they unknowingly invented the joke that they don't get.
* why cats purr,
Is this really a topic that Republicans haven't already squashed because it doesn't improve our economy
* the Placebo effect,
I think this is an on-going discovery, but fundamentally we're wired to be optimistic-except for Republicans; they "designed" to squash any critical thinking.
* why a bicycle remains upright when ridden,
Torque generated from wheels in motion, that's why vehicles have camber settings. I build an design Struts for a living.
* why one type of mushroom grows only in two places on Earth: Texas and Japan.
Both places like to keep everything in the dark.
* why a tomato has more genes than a human
Why don't you ask God-since I assume you know how to pray.
* why water (H2O) is the only element in the universe that expands when it cools and contracts when heated,
It's stability, they do know the answer. How could you ice fish?
* why ice is slippery.
Friction causes the ice to melt, laminar flow is created. A doi?
Scientists cannot explain: br * why humans and ani... (show quote)


Congratulations! This was a brilliant display of your ignorance.

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Nov 12, 2023 09:40:01   #
Big dog
 
PeterS wrote:
Are these true or false and why?


If you believe what you just posted, you must be an atheist.
Too bad, your loss.

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Nov 12, 2023 09:56:52   #
currahee506
 
Atheism is a philosophical conclusion erroneously decreed by those who embrace it as "science." it is the religion of self.

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Nov 12, 2023 11:10:16   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
currahee506 wrote:
Atheism is a philosophical conclusion erroneously decreed by those who embrace it as "science." it is the religion of self.



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Nov 12, 2023 12:53:28   #
Big dog
 
Heathen philosophy is thick in your veins.

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Nov 12, 2023 13:58:52   #
coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp
 
PeterS wrote:
Are these true or false and why?


Atheism is actually a religion. It is a faith-based belief. It has a credo and tenets, so there you are!

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