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Nov 7, 2023 21:35:15   #
debeda
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Prisoners are rarely a happy lot..
Breaking laws has consequences...


According to the protesters and people making appeals before Congress for these people in the US, their only crime was practicing their religion. Plus they make a good pool for needed organs. According to protesters. I guess the protesters must be right? Or no?

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Nov 7, 2023 21:40:15   #
TrueAmerican
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I'm interested to know the proper way to criticize Israel that won't result in accusations of antisemitism...

I, and several other members, have been accused of antisemitism for being critical of the state of Israel's actions and policies...

It almost appears hypocritical...
We can criticize African nations without accusations of racism...
We can criticize China without accusations of Sinophobia...
We can criticize Islam without accusations of Islamophobia...
We can criticize LGBTQ~ without accusations of bigotry or transphobia...
We can even criticize our own nations (although that often results in being called anti American)...

Yet, the moment a word is said against Israel or Zionism (not Jews or Judaism) there is a barrage of accusations labeling us antisemites....

It's rather baffling...

So, I repeat, what is the proper way to criticize Israel???

Hoping for real feedback
I'm interested to know the proper way to criticize... (show quote)


Real easy, don't critcize the MORALLY correct !!!!!!

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Nov 7, 2023 22:20:07   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Prisoners are rarely a happy lot..
Breaking laws has consequences...


That’s a swing and a miss! Breaking laws was nothing more than an excuse to prosecute a half a million people since 2017.


https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights

Experts estimate that reeducation efforts started in Xinjiang in 2014 and were drastically expanded in 2017. Beginning that year, they documented the construction of new reeducation camps and expansion of existing facilities for mass detention. Reuters journalists, observing satellite imagery, found that thirty-nine of the camps almost tripled in size between April 2017 and August 2018; they covered a total area roughly the size of 140 soccer fields. Similarly, analyzing local and national budgets over the past few years, Germany-based Xinjiang expert Adrian Zenz found that construction spending on security-related facilities in Xinjiang increased by 20 billion yuan (around $2.96 billion) in 2017.

In late 2019, Xinjiang’s governor said that people detained in the reeducation camps had “graduated.” Journalists found that several camps were indeed closed. But the following year, researchers at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) identified [PDF] more than 380 suspected detention facilities using satellite images. They found that China refashioned some lower-security reeducation camps into formal detention centers or prisons; expanded existing detention centers; and constructed new, high-security detention centers throughout Xinjiang. (Chinese officials have said that ASPI is an anti-China tool funded by Australia and the United States.)

Instead of detaining people in reeducation camps, authorities have increasingly used the formal justice system to imprison people for years. In 2022, Human Rights Watch reported that half a million people had been prosecuted since 2017, according to Xinjiang government figures. The Associated Press found that in one county, an estimated one in twenty-five people had been sentenced to prison on terrorism-related charges, all of them Uyghurs.

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Nov 7, 2023 22:33:35   #
Bassman65
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Watch the news...
Hamas has gotten plenty of criticism...


I stated in my post that the criticism is tilted.

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Nov 7, 2023 22:57:21   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Prisoners are rarely a happy lot..
Breaking laws has consequences...


Not in ÇA, Chicago, NYC, and other such jurisdictions.

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Nov 7, 2023 23:34:14   #
debeda
 
TexaCan wrote:
That’s a swing and a miss! Breaking laws was nothing more than an excuse to prosecute a half a million people since 2017.


https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights

Experts estimate that reeducation efforts started in Xinjiang in 2014 and were drastically expanded in 2017. Beginning that year, they documented the construction of new reeducation camps and expansion of existing facilities for mass detention. Reuters journalists, observing satellite imagery, found that thirty-nine of the camps almost tripled in size between April 2017 and August 2018; they covered a total area roughly the size of 140 soccer fields. Similarly, analyzing local and national budgets over the past few years, Germany-based Xinjiang expert Adrian Zenz found that construction spending on security-related facilities in Xinjiang increased by 20 billion yuan (around $2.96 billion) in 2017.

In late 2019, Xinjiang’s governor said that people detained in the reeducation camps had “graduated.” Journalists found that several camps were indeed closed. But the following year, researchers at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) identified [PDF] more than 380 suspected detention facilities using satellite images. They found that China refashioned some lower-security reeducation camps into formal detention centers or prisons; expanded existing detention centers; and constructed new, high-security detention centers throughout Xinjiang. (Chinese officials have said that ASPI is an anti-China tool funded by Australia and the United States.)

Instead of detaining people in reeducation camps, authorities have increasingly used the formal justice system to imprison people for years. In 2022, Human Rights Watch reported that half a million people had been prosecuted since 2017, according to Xinjiang government figures. The Associated Press found that in one county, an estimated one in twenty-five people had been sentenced to prison on terrorism-related charges, all of them Uyghurs.
That’s a swing and a miss! Breaking laws was noth... (show quote)


Good info, thank you👍

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Nov 7, 2023 23:34:38   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
debeda wrote:
According to the protesters and people making appeals before Congress for these people in the US, their only crime was practicing their religion. Plus they make a good pool for needed organs. According to protesters. I guess the protesters must be right? Or no?


Yet Islam is practiced openly over here...
Was just speaking with two new students from Pakistan and they love the local mosque...

People have agendas...

I'm glad the organ laws have been changed... That was disturbing..

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Nov 7, 2023 23:34:59   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TrueAmerican wrote:
Real easy, don't critcize the MORALLY correct !!!!!!


Ouch..
A liberal got on my thread...

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Nov 7, 2023 23:35:31   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Bassman65 wrote:
I stated in my post that the criticism is tilted.


That's very true...
For most issues...
Try to branch out...

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Nov 7, 2023 23:35:55   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
AuntiE wrote:
Not in ÇA, Chicago, NYC, and other such jurisdictions.


Agreed...
Canada is just as bad...

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Nov 7, 2023 23:37:28   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TexaCan wrote:
That’s a swing and a miss! Breaking laws was nothing more than an excuse to prosecute a half a million people since 2017.


https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-xinjiang-uyghurs-muslims-repression-genocide-human-rights

Experts estimate that reeducation efforts started in Xinjiang in 2014 and were drastically expanded in 2017. Beginning that year, they documented the construction of new reeducation camps and expansion of existing facilities for mass detention. Reuters journalists, observing satellite imagery, found that thirty-nine of the camps almost tripled in size between April 2017 and August 2018; they covered a total area roughly the size of 140 soccer fields. Similarly, analyzing local and national budgets over the past few years, Germany-based Xinjiang expert Adrian Zenz found that construction spending on security-related facilities in Xinjiang increased by 20 billion yuan (around $2.96 billion) in 2017.

In late 2019, Xinjiang’s governor said that people detained in the reeducation camps had “graduated.” Journalists found that several camps were indeed closed. But the following year, researchers at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) identified [PDF] more than 380 suspected detention facilities using satellite images. They found that China refashioned some lower-security reeducation camps into formal detention centers or prisons; expanded existing detention centers; and constructed new, high-security detention centers throughout Xinjiang. (Chinese officials have said that ASPI is an anti-China tool funded by Australia and the United States.)

Instead of detaining people in reeducation camps, authorities have increasingly used the formal justice system to imprison people for years. In 2022, Human Rights Watch reported that half a million people had been prosecuted since 2017, according to Xinjiang government figures. The Associated Press found that in one county, an estimated one in twenty-five people had been sentenced to prison on terrorism-related charges, all of them Uyghurs.
That’s a swing and a miss! Breaking laws was noth... (show quote)


Yes...
Merely having contact with a terrorist is grounds for detention...
China doesn't mess around with terrorism...

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Nov 8, 2023 00:39:24   #
Ready player 1
 
padremike wrote:
The world has seen fake Hollywood atrocities, the bloodier the better. It's time to show the real thing for these pro-Hamas anti-Israel morons demonstrating.


What do you think it will accomplish? It's my opinion they would cheer and shout praise to Allah. Could trigger them even more, knowing how much they hate America. They may smile, but make no mistake, most of them would very much like to kill Americans. I doubt they care for any other race/ religion but their own. You would have to be their slave and convert or die. The only other way you would be able to live is if you paid them and convert. Anyone who wants to understand their position simple needs to read their so called Bible/Karan. It's horrific!

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Nov 8, 2023 07:28:50   #
Big Kahuna
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I'm interested to know the proper way to criticize Israel that won't result in accusations of antisemitism...

I, and several other members, have been accused of antisemitism for being critical of the state of Israel's actions and policies...

It almost appears hypocritical...
We can criticize African nations without accusations of racism...
We can criticize China without accusations of Sinophobia...
We can criticize Islam without accusations of Islamophobia...
We can criticize LGBTQ~ without accusations of bigotry or transphobia...
We can even criticize our own nations (although that often results in being called anti American)...

Yet, the moment a word is said against Israel or Zionism (not Jews or Judaism) there is a barrage of accusations labeling us antisemites....

It's rather baffling...

So, I repeat, what is the proper way to criticize Israel???

Hoping for real feedback
I'm interested to know the proper way to criticize... (show quote)


There are 2 groups of people in your discourse that we can not criticize without being called some form of reprobate and that includes Islam and the LGBTQXYZ crowd. Hitlery Clinton, Bathhouse Barry, Joe Bribem and their corrupt dem party will call you Islamophobic and want to imprison you if you criticize Islam and 50 % of Americans will call you homophobic if you criticize the perverse lgbtqxyz crowd. As an after thought, you also will find it hard to criticize any black politician (unless they are a Conservative) without being called racist. Just look how hard it is to criticize Ovommit's anti-American policies without being called a racist or White Supremacist.

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Nov 8, 2023 08:02:38   #
keepuphope Loc: Idaho
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes...
Merely having contact with a terrorist is grounds for detention...
China doesn't mess around with terrorism...


Actually I think that is just common sense. But in America because of our unjust justice system they at this time they would have alot of conservative in there too, just because we have different views on sexuality and control of our children. Although a blind man can see it's the left that's violent and destructive not the right.

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Nov 8, 2023 08:24:39   #
Big Kahuna
 
keepuphope wrote:
Actually I think that is just common sense. But in America because of our unjust justice system they at this time they would have alot of conservative in there too, just because we have different views on sexuality and control of our children. Although a blind man can see it's the left that's violent and destructive not the right.


Yes, we don't see much violence from the right, 95% is from the left. Unfortunately our unjust justice dept. let's them get away with their toxic and destructive marches as shown recently with the pro-hamas militants storming the D.C. buildings with no repercussions vs the 1/6 mostly peaceful march where the feds went all out to arrest anyone even close to the Capitol bldg. and throw them in prison for years with no charges against them.

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