dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

An America Without Gun Rights Would Look Like Mexico, Not Australia
BY: AARON DECORTE
NOVEMBER 01, 2023
6 MIN READ

If Americans allow their firearms to be outlawed and then confiscated, would we, in fact, become like Australia or New Zealand? The answer is clear.


Every mass shooting inevitably leads those on the left to call for a ban on “assault weapons,” and this time is no different. Thus begins the barrage of calls for “sensible gun laws” on social media, from network pundits, and via Vice President Kamala Harris herself, using Australia or New Zealand as the models. These unarmed countries, they tell us, prove you can strip citizens of their ability to own firearms and live in a nonviolent utopia. Is that the likely outcome of such a ban in America?

Thought experiment, leaving aside the issue of a right enshrined in the Constitution: If Americans allow their firearms to be outlawed and then confiscated, would we in fact, become like Australia or New Zealand?

If we gave up AR-15s and then a mass shooting took place where a semi-automatic handgun was used, opponents of gun rights would take those too — the same with a shooter with a hunting rifle, then a shooter with a shotgun, and on and on. We know where this leads. It can’t end with “military style” firearms. A confiscation of AR-15s would eventually lead to a complete ban on almost every gun. How long would that take? Five years, 10 years? It wouldn’t take very long once the ball is rolling and mass shooters move to handguns and shotguns, which would quickly be banned as the public’s demand for “safety” would be too much for politicians to stand against.

Cut to a Republican senator being interviewed on CNN the day after a mass shooting where a 9mm handgun was used: Senator, just a few months ago you voted to ban AR-15s because scores of children were killed in a school shooting. Today, with more dead children, you won’t support the banning of semi-automatic handguns? How can you tell those parents why the shooter was able to legally obtain a Glock 19 that, like the AR-15s that you voted to ban, allowed the shooter to fire many rounds and reload in a matter of seconds? What’s the difference, senator? Do those dead children think it was better to be shot by a handgun rather than a long gun? Senator?

That lawmaker would crumble, and so would others. What would we be left with? A technical right to keep and bear arms that practically renders that right meaningless.

How do we know this? We know this because we have seen this before in Mexico.

Mexico’s Experience
California has more people than Australia and New Zealand combined, in addition to a plethora of other geographic and population traits that make those countries a silly comparison. As an aside, ask any leftist if they would adopt those countries’ immigration policies in return for their gun policies. Mexico is the best example of what the U.S. would look like if the banning of firearms were to take place. Both countries have a long history of their citizens owning firearms, as they have been constitutionally guaranteed since their founding. Mexico is also a more similar country in terms of population, size, and current crime issues.

In 1857, Mexico had a constitutional right to bear arms, then in 1917 the country excluded weapons that were reserved for military branches only and added additional restrictions, and today the right to have a firearm is restricted to your home. In 1968, in response to civil unrest, the Mexican government established a Federal Arms Registry that resulted in the following: handguns in .380 or smaller, and 12 gauge (or smaller) shotguns and rifles that use less than .30 caliber are legal. Citizens have to go to a military base to apply for a permit and if one is issued, guns can only be purchased at one store in Mexico City run by the Mexican military.

I bet there isn’t a cartel member in Mexico whose gun conforms to restrictions, let alone that he has a permit. In a country of more than 100 million people, only 4,300 permits have been issued. No surprise they are reserved for the wealthy, the politically connected, and the bodyguards who protect them.

Has the tradeoff in Mexico made the country safer and more law-abiding? Hardly. The murder rate per million people is 218.49; that’s five times higher than the United States. For a never-ending parade of statistics regarding gun violence in Mexico versus the United States, click here.

It’s not just the gun stats. Mexico is a corrupt nation, held hostage by drug cartels and compromised politicians. The average citizen cannot legally possess a firearm to deter the criminal who possesses a firearm illegally. Corrupt law enforcement and the bribed politicians will protect the criminal, not the average law-abiding citizen. Honest law enforcement officers live in constant fear of reprisals on themselves and their families for good reason.

The AP reported in May of 2021, “The cartel kidnapped several members of an elite police force in the state of Guanajuato, tortured them to obtain names and addresses of fellow officers and is now hunting down and killing police at their homes, on their days off, in front of their families.” Judges, prosecutors, and politicians face the same: See examples here and here. 2022 was reportedly the fourth year in a row that Mexico was ranked the most dangerous country for reporters. The Wall Street Journal also shed light on the state of elections here as a result of rampant cartel influence.

What Would Happen in the U.S.?
If there were a successful effort to ban the majority of firearms in the U.S., it would eventually turn us into Mexico. Only criminals, the wealthy, the politically connected, and the bodyguards who protect them would own firearms. Well-armed criminals would operate with impunity, and inevitably corruption would encroach on every law enforcement agency in the country and then into the courts.

Like Mexico, our rate of murders and violent incidents would rise, not fall, as a result of gun bans. The reason cartels flood the U.S. with people and fentanyl and not guns is because there is no money in smuggling weapons — until we ban them, and then Mexican cartels would become the unofficial supplier of firearms to America. Times change, human nature does not.

Law-abiding firearm owners in America know the left isn’t concerned about criminals owning and using guns during the commission of crimes. We know this because left-leaning district attorneys routinely reduce the very gun charges they championed to make sure repeat offenders avoid lengthy prison sentences. Don’t think for one minute they won’t do the same if firearms become illegal. If Republican politicians had half of a brain, they would demand that any restriction on firearms be paired with a zero discretion policy, meaning the charges could not be reduced.

The right likes to invoke the memory of Jews being disarmed under Hitler before the atrocities began, but a better comparison is found by gazing over the unbuilt fence at our southern neighbor.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

There are instances of mass killers being suspected sometimes for months of being potential killers . How about stopping those people before they act ? That's just a thought . People control not gun control .

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Nobody wants all that !
They only want AR15s off the streets .
We have twice as many guns in this country as we have people.
Taking AR15s off the streets wouldn’t cause a very large ripple.
The plus side of this is that even you would be safer , and able to walk your own streets .
I will never understand why youz bunch o fools rale
Against safer streets , when the truth is you are in as much danger of being shot as everyone else.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Who is "nobody?" Who is "they?" Leftists! Most people are killed with a handgun. Very very few are killed by those "scary looking AR-15s" that the leftist think are assault rifles. What a bunch of dumb asses they are. More are killed by Fentanyl. Much more!
I'm not in as much danger as you are. You live in Cleveland. The only place worse is Chicago, New York, Memphis, or any large Democrap controlled city because the fools keep voting for the Democraps.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

As usual, you miss the entire point of the article and misunderstand the issue. You're more likely to die from fentanyl or covid unless you're a young black male between 15-34 living in an inner city controlled by Democraps. Black-on-Black crime and murder accounts for 50% even though their demographic is 6% of the U.S. population.
We have plenty of gun control laws which are not enforced. The increase in gun deaths has coincided with the proliferation of gun laws. How that's working for you, Bunky?

Palestinian asylum seeker arrested in Texas on gun charge, allegedly was planning to attack Jews
Sohaib Abuayyash is set to appear for his arraignment Nov. 13.

By Charlotte Hazard
Published: November 4, 2023 12:47pm

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A20-year-old Jordanian citizen was arrested in Houston, Texas, for illegal possession of a firearm and was allegedly planning an attack on Jews, the FBI confirmed Friday.

According to a report from KHOU 11 News Houston, Sohaib Abuayyash was in the U.S. on a tourist visa, but overstayed that visa and was in the country illegally for months before applying for asylum.

The United States Attorney's Office in the Southern District of Texas put out a press release Friday saying that Abuayyash is set to appear for his arraignment Nov. 13.

"According to the criminal complaint filed upon his arrest, Abuayyash entered the United States on a nonimmigrant visa, which expired in 2019, and has allegedly been in direct contact with others who share a radical mindset," the release reads. "The charges further allege he has been conducting physical training and has trained with weapons to possibly commit an attack."

CNN reports that when FBI Director Christopher Wray, during his Senate testimony this week, said the FBI arrested a man “who’d been studying how to build bombs and posted online about his support for killing Jews,” he was referring to Abuayyash.

A law enforcement source told the outlet that he was “plotting to attack a Jewish gathering.”

The FBI is currently conducting an investigation. If convicted, Abuayyash could face up to 15 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

If there are half as many people in America as there are guns, what difference does it make how many guns there are?

There are 330+ million people in America, 80+ million of them legally own guns, and we certainly do not need your permission to own them.

As for the AR15, this rifle has been used far more often to defend life and property than it has been used to commit crimes.

Furthermore, the AR15 is not the only gun out there that can kill people. Every gun can kill.

A 40 grain 22 long rifle bullet through the brain will kill just a quick as a 55 grain bullet from an AR.
The sub-sonic 22 long rifle is the bullet of choice for professional assassins.

The handgun (pistol) is the numero uno choice for criminals and mass shooters. Less than 5% of all mass shootings were committed with a rifle of any type.

This sweetheart is using the same sighting system as the one on my AR15. The trusty Aimpoint red dot.


"Teach your children well . . . . " Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

We used to do this but with the increased urbanization of America it seems fewer and fewer young Americans are ever taught gun ownership responsibility. Add to this the elimination of the draft and fewer males are now obtaining training in the use of firearms through the military. The public high school I attended in an urban area had a shooting team and a gun range located under the administration building. My cousin could drive to school with her rifle on a gun rack in her truck, leave the car unlocked in the parking lot and this all occurred in 1971 when she graduated from high school. It's the left that has turned the word "gun" into a dirty word in their quest for world control.

An adaptation of the song Tell All the People. - The Doors

Tell all the sheeple that you see,
Follow me.
Follow me down.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Not so in my neck of the woods.
At the local range, I see parents training their kids quite often.
Just last week at the range, I met a father teaching his two kids, 12 year old daughter and 9 year old son, to shoot.
The girl had her own 22lr rifle and she was very good with it. I was impressed.

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10 year old Shyanne is a national champ.


and she trains with rifles and handguns.

SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics

Fully automatic military grade firearms are very much currently "off the streets" (ex. 1930's style Thomson machine guns were quite legal at the time), but the left wines about the very non-military AR-15. So why do you believe if the AR-15 is taken off the street rifles that are basically the same as the AR-15, but not as scary looking, won't be the next target of the left's wining? What is your cut-off point for deciding what should be or should not be "on the street"? Please keep in mind that most crimes are conducted with hand guns, not rifles.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

I agree. But it seems to be a fairly recent phenomenon. Many parents are now training their children in firearm use. More and more women are enrolling in firearms training. They've seen what happens when the populace of a country is not armed and can't fight back against the totalitarians and despotic rule of the leftists. They don't want the U.S. to become another Venezuela, Canada, Mexico, etc. America is the last best hope for freedom and liberty to flourish.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon