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Oct 10, 2023 12:40:01 #
microphor
Loc: Home is TN
RandyBrian wrote:
Israel has given the former squatters living in th... (show quote)
I've said it all along. Democrats took their KKK underground and it's starting to surface again
Oct 10, 2023 12:51:26 #
keepuphope
Loc: Idaho
son of witless wrote:
Israel just paid the price for being way too nice. I hope they never make that mistake again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me too! Israel needs to take back Gaza,and West Bank period! Go scorched earth against them.
Oct 10, 2023 13:09:27 #
keepuphope wrote:
Me too! Israel needs to take back Gaza,and West Bank period! Go scorched earth against them.
It’s time. WAY past time!
Oct 10, 2023 13:19:08 #
Agreed. Democrats will ignore the Biden Crime family facts, yet whine about their own propaganda masters not being believed. Direct indication of "low IQ's"...
Oct 10, 2023 13:38:20 #
RandyBrian wrote:
Yes they are. And Israel has INDEED shown incredi... (show quote)
"But put yourself in their shoes. Your country has been repeatedly attacked. Your friends and neighbors and their children have been slaughtered by intruders, missiles, and other means. Over and over again. You have been denied what you want most of all: To live in peace in the home of your countrymen. You can not even go to the store without worrying about being attacked. For over 70 years!" The same can be said abut the Palestinian settlers in the Occupied Palestinian Territories that has been illegally occupied by Israel since 1967.
Oct 10, 2023 14:18:31 #
RandyBrian
Loc: Texas
DASHY wrote:
"But put yourself in their shoes. Your countr... (show quote)
No, it can NOT be credibly said about the Palestinian settlers. The only ones attacking them in their homes are the terrorists they hide and support. On the rare occasion that the Israelis enter their territory, it is because they are looking for those self same terrorists.
What makes you say the Territories are ILLEGALLY occupied?
Oct 10, 2023 15:21:58 #
dtucker300 wrote:
I don't think you're cold. I think you are a misguided naive unfeeling moronic imbecile who has no idea how to deal with this problem.
I don't think you're cold. I think you are a misguided naive unfeeling moronic imbecile who has no idea how to deal with this problem.
Funny, that's exactly what I think of you.
dtucker300 wrote:
You consider it wisdom but when you can't run away what are you going to do? Get on your knees and beg for the terrorist not to kill you? "Can we talk this over Mr. Terrorist?" This is not a street situation.
You consider it wisdom but when you can't run away what are you going to do? Get on your knees and beg for the terrorist not to kill you? "Can we talk this over Mr. Terrorist?" This is not a street situation.
The street situation was an analogy and yes it does apply… Israel could have avoided the situation by NOT abusing the Palestinians as they have. You just refuse to consider that as a factor. I know you've heard the argument before because it's so fricking obvious, but it doesn't fit into your simple-minded "Israelis are saints, Palestinians are demons" narrative.
dtucker300 wrote:
This is exactly the sort of thing that can escalate into a full-blown world war.
This is exactly the sort of thing that can escalate into a full-blown world war.
All started by the Israeli refusal to treat Palestinians as humans.
dtucker300 wrote:
Appeasement and running away don't solve the problem.
Appeasement and running away don't solve the problem.
Nor will slaughtering them just because you're pissed off.
dtucker300 wrote:
Yeah, the Progressive Marxist socialist communist atheist elitist globalist big-government statist authoritarian autocratic despotic Democraps would do want to sit down and sing Kumbaya. How's that working so far?
Yeah, the Progressive Marxist socialist communist atheist elitist globalist big-government statist authoritarian autocratic despotic Democraps would do want to sit down and sing Kumbaya. How's that working so far?
'Haven't tried it yet. Israel has been too busy treating human beings like animals.
dtucker300 wrote:
These people are not interested in talking. Appeasement doesn't work. We are viewed as weak by our enemies and friends. Our enemies are laughing at us. The only thing they understand is strength through power.
These people are not interested in talking. Appeasement doesn't work. We are viewed as weak by our enemies and friends. Our enemies are laughing at us. The only thing they understand is strength through power.
Their interest in talking deteriorates every time Israel pretends to offer a solution.
dtucker300 wrote:
We don't want revenge. We want justice.
We don't want revenge. We want justice.
Revenge is always considered to be justice to those acting on it.
Oct 10, 2023 15:24:02 #
dtucker300 wrote:
and we want the terrorist attacks to stop once and for all.
and we want the terrorist attacks to stop once and for all.
Yes, we all do.
dtucker300 wrote:
It seem the only way to do so is to remove every single individual from the field of play so they can no longer harm anyone, including their own citizens.
It seem the only way to do so is to remove every single individual from the field of play so they can no longer harm anyone, including their own citizens.
That would be the entire population then because the entire population is suffering under Israeli oppression which is why the entire population is fighting for their freedoms. You keep insisting that Israel is only attacking militants to make yourself feel better about it, but it's a lie. In truth, Israel is attacking ALL Palestinians because ALL Palestinians are fighting for their freedom.
dtucker300 wrote:
How do you propose doing that?
straightUp wrote:
I'd rather focus on avoiding this from happening again.
I'd rather focus on avoiding this from happening again.
How do you propose doing that?
Well, it's not going to happen overnight. But I still think a two-state solution is the best possible approach.
dtucker300 wrote:
Does it not occur to you that Hamas is doing exactly what you are arguing against? They want to kill every Jew and wipe Israel off the face of the map.
Does it not occur to you that Hamas is doing exactly what you are arguing against? They want to kill every Jew and wipe Israel off the face of the map.
Yes, 75 years of violent oppression has turned them into extremists. I don't see the IDF and Hamas as being any different from each other as far as that goes. They both want to exterminate the other. The only thing I would add is that Hamas didn't start it, Israel did.
dtucker300 wrote:
And we depend as much on them.
And we depend as much on them.
No we aren't. We don't actually depend on Israel for anything other than military advantages in the region. Oh, and I guess the liability of supporting a hostile regime and therefore all the attacks we get. Thank you Israel for 9/11, BTW.
dtucker300 wrote:
Hamas is being funded by our money and weapons from Iran and the Taliban.
Hamas is being funded by our money and weapons from Iran and the Taliban.
No, Hamas is being funded by Iranian money, not ours and the Taliban has nothing to do with it.
dtucker300 wrote:
Israel has made peace with Egypt, the Abraham Accords, and an Agreement with Saudi Arabia was in the works.
Israel has made peace with Egypt, the Abraham Accords, and an Agreement with Saudi Arabia was in the works.
Yes, Carter helped to broker peace between Israel and Egypt but that doesn't mean Egypt is OK with Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian territories or the human rights abuses that occur on a daily basis under that occupation. Most European countries are at peace with Israel too and yet every single one of them denounce Israel's occupation.
dtucker300 wrote:
Probably still is because of Iran's involvement in this attack as a state sponsor of terrorism. The Saudis are not fond of Iran because of their involvement in Yemen and because of the Sunni/Shite divide in Islam.
Probably still is because of Iran's involvement in this attack as a state sponsor of terrorism. The Saudis are not fond of Iran because of their involvement in Yemen and because of the Sunni/Shite divide in Islam.
The Sunni/Shite divide is a major factor in the Middle-East. Extremists on both sides have developed right-wing factions that want to dominate the region. U.S. involvement is based on oil. In 1953, Iran democratically refused to open their oil reserves to U.S. companies and so they became our enemies. On the other hand, democracy doesn't exist in Saudi Arabia and the totalitarian king decided to open their reserves wide-open to U.S. companies and that's how they became our "friends".
Most of the Palestinians are Shite Muslims, so that's why Iran supports them. Meanwhile Israels relentless abuses of the Palestinian people put them at odds with Iran and because of this, Israel has become a strategic asset for the U.S. in region.
Oct 10, 2023 15:25:17 #
dtucker300 wrote:
Israel has never struck first.
Israel has never struck first.
It's not always a matter of "striking" first… Sometimes the first strike is a response to a different kind of abuse. When Israel bulldozes over a Palestinian home, or tortures a 15 year old boy or cuts off electricity and water, our media never reports these things as "strikes". So when the Palestinians finally lash out, Israel acts all surprised and says they are being attacked for no reason.
dtucker300 wrote:
Israel could have just taken Gaza and sent the rest of them packing. Instead, they gave Gaza the right to elect their own government and this is what results from appeasement. You cannot negotiate with terrorists! Yet, we keep trying.
Israel could have just taken Gaza and sent the rest of them packing. Instead, they gave Gaza the right to elect their own government and this is what results from appeasement. You cannot negotiate with terrorists! Yet, we keep trying.
Letting them vote for their own government is meaningless when you still have them locked up in a cage. Would you be happy if the Chinese took your home, forced you and your family to live in some shithole but allowed you to elect your own "government"? I wouldn't.
dtucker300 wrote:
There never was a Palestinian state. You know full well that Israel was created in 1948 from a UN charter, and immediately the Arab world attacked them. This is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people.
There never was a Palestinian state. You know full well that Israel was created in 1948 from a UN charter, and immediately the Arab world attacked them. This is the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people.
So you're jumping from thousands of years ago to 1948, conveniently leaving out about 300 years of history where there WAS a Palestinian state. I guess you have no use for that part of history. As for it being the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people, I don't give a flying fuck. That was thousands of years ago. Are you going to give America back to the Indians?
dtucker300 wrote:
Yes after Israel was attacked by Nasser. Carter actually had some success with the Israeli/Egypt peace accord thanks to Egyptian President Sadat. Or did you forget about that one?
straightUp wrote:
This is the solution the U.S. has been pushing since 1967.
This is the solution the U.S. has been pushing since 1967.
Yes after Israel was attacked by Nasser. Carter actually had some success with the Israeli/Egypt peace accord thanks to Egyptian President Sadat. Or did you forget about that one?
That wasn't a two-state solution… It was however thought to be a step toward a two-state solution, which Begin promised to work toward as part of the deal.
dtucker300 wrote:
It wasn't quietly dropped by Trump. Trump was successful with the Abraham Accord.
It wasn't quietly dropped by Trump. Trump was successful with the Abraham Accord.
The Abraham Accord that Jared Kushner developed while Trump posed for photos, did not offer ANY concessions to the Palestinians. In fact is was the first negotiation involving Israel and the U.S. that didn't even invite a representative from Palestine. So, don't sit there telling me the two-state solution wasn't dropped. I'm not the idiot climbing all over Prager U to try and get a grip on my narrative.
Oct 10, 2023 15:26:11 #
dtucker300 wrote:
And Trump didn't take office until 2017, 11 years after Israel gave Gaza some autonomy.
And Trump didn't take office until 2017, 11 years after Israel gave Gaza some autonomy.
So?
dtucker300 wrote:
The cause is obvious. Israel allows Arabs to live in its country as citizens with equal rights and have representation in the Knesset.
The cause is obvious. Israel allows Arabs to live in its country as citizens with equal rights and have representation in the Knesset.
No they don't. Arabs do live within Israel proper and they do get *some* representation but they do NOT have equal rights.
dtucker300 wrote:
The area in question is not Palestine. There never was a country of Palestine
The area in question is not Palestine. There never was a country of Palestine
Yes, there was… it didn't have sovereignty if that's the technicality you're clinging to but the land was called Palestine under Roman rule, it was called Palestine under Ottoman rule and it was even called Palestine under the British Mandate. If you're going to be a filthy liar at least choose things to lie about that aren't so dammed obvious.
dtucker300 wrote:
There were no Palestinians before Israel. Only Arabs, Muslims, Christians, and Jews occupied the territory.
There were no Palestinians before Israel. Only Arabs, Muslims, Christians, and Jews occupied the territory.
How are you so stupid about this? That's like saying there are no Americans, only white people, black people Christians and Jews, occupying the territory.
Most Palestinians ARE Arabs many of them are Muslim, a lot of them are Christian and yes, there are even some Jews among them. They call themselves Palestinians because they LIVE in Palestine.
dtucker300 wrote:
It's late. I'm Tired. I've spent far too much time on you but maybe others will see this and learn something so that it's not a complete waste of time.
It's late. I'm Tired. I've spent far too much time on you but maybe others will see this and learn something so that it's not a complete waste of time.
I doubt it. I've heard every single one of your points a millions times before. You are subscribing to a narrative that refuses to acknowledge the role that Israel is playing in this insanity. It's a narrative that fosters hate and makes excuses for genocide.
dtucker300 wrote:
I'll make it easy on you so as not to tax your attention span. here are a series of 5-minute videos on the issue.
Have fun!
I'll make it easy on you so as not to tax your attention span. here are a series of 5-minute videos on the issue.
Have fun!
Prager U is a propaganda machine. No wonder you're so mislead.
Oct 10, 2023 16:18:49 #
DASHY wrote:
"But put yourself in their shoes. Your countr... (show quote)
In the War of 1967 the Palestinians lost all of what remained of the homeland. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/6/4/the-naksa-how-israel-occupied-the-whole-of-palestine-in-1967
Oct 10, 2023 16:27:27 #
keepuphope
Loc: Idaho
DASHY wrote:
In the War of 1967 the Palestinians lost all of what remained of the homeland. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/6/4/the-naksa-how-israel-occupied-the-whole-of-palestine-in-1967
These terrorist shot whole families. If they couldn't get them out or had a safe room they burnedthem alive. And 40 BABIES were killed some beheaded. Israel sent messages over the airwaves to flee Gaza they left a port open on their side so they could leave to safety, but Hamas attacked the opening as those people are their human shields so Israel can be blamed for more civilian deaths. NO MERCY INNILATE THEM!!!!
Oct 10, 2023 16:36:42 #
RandyBrian
Loc: Texas
DASHY wrote:
In the War of 1967 the Palestinians lost all of what remained of the homeland. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/6/4/the-naksa-how-israel-occupied-the-whole-of-palestine-in-1967
Yep. TIn 1967 the former squatters got some help and tried to use force to get back into the main house, and got all of their butts kicked for the effort. Now they are consigned to the back forty, where they are allowed to live if they so choose, and they are allowed to come into the back yard and get some water and supplies. Some of the other town folk help them with money and supplies.....but oddly enough, the members of their own church don't want anything to do with them, except to encourage them to kill the Jews. They are also free to leave the back forty and move to wherever they want, and start fresh, or with help from relatives. Or they can continue to live on the back forty, and get by as best they can. The only restriction on them is that they can NOT move back into the main house.
But of course that is not really their goal at all. The goal is to kill the Jews. The main house is just the excuse.
Are little words better for you?
Oct 10, 2023 17:15:49 #
RandyBrian wrote:
Lunches are NEVER 'free'. And they SHOULD be prov... (show quote)
Did this private school have tuition, or was it free?
Oct 10, 2023 17:29:48 #
straightUp wrote:
Maybe you would understand more about what they understand if we put you and your family in a concentration camp for 20 years.
Grim, but true.
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