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Oct 7, 2023 13:47:49   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Trump is an animal all his own . This country has never seen any president any where near like him .--


A tiger and Biden is a gopher

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Oct 7, 2023 13:48:45   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
God works in mysterious ways


Amen

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Oct 7, 2023 13:49:13   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Yes indeed -- He created me .


Glad u recognize the Tom

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Oct 7, 2023 14:59:50   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
by Mark Bickhard - Henry R. Luce Professor in Cognitive Robotics and the Philosophy of Knowledge in the Department of Psychology at Lehigh University (Bethlehem, PA).

Comparisons between Trump(ism) and Fascism have become frequent, and with good reason. These comparisons are strongest between Trump and Mussolini — stronger than with Hitler and Nazi-ism. Detailed comparisons are difficult for at least two reasons: 1) the historical circumstances are quite different between the 20s and 30s and today, and 2) Fascism was never a coherent political theory or philosophy, but, instead, was a populist and nationalist development in Italy that Mussolini did not create but did take over.

A comparison between Trump and Mussolini in terms of character and style, however, is frighteningly strong — and does give some guidance concerning future concerns. This comparison is based primarily on quotes from a book about Mussolini by R.J.B. Bosworth (2010). In general, the quotes speak for themselves, though I will add some commentary along the way. It should be noted that this book was published years before similarities between Trump and Mussolini became politically relevant, and, thus, were not written with Trump in mind.

I begin with Trump’s arrogant ignorance and incoherence:

“Other more critical contemporaries noticed instead the fluctuations in Mussolini’s ideas and the way he preferred to avoid in-depth conversations, sometimes excusing himself by saying that the details should be left to the experts. Here, they discerned, was a leader more interested in imposing his will than in harmonizing his attitudes or policies. Here was a politician more interested in seeming to know than in knowing.”

“He understood that a totalitarian dictator had to be, or to seem to be, expert in everything.”

“Cowing the press was only one part of building a totalitarian dictatorship.”

Bosworth points to a later developing ambition for Mussolini that is not yet overt with Trump — but it has already been hinted at by some in his inner circle:

“The real novelty of his ambition lay in his pretensions to enter the hearts and minds of his subjects, and so install Fascism as a political religion.”

Again, Trump’s ambition combined with a lack of coherence:

“and so readjusting his own history with his usual aplomb”

“ ‘Reactionary dictators are men of no philosophy, no burning humanitarian ideal, nor even an economic program of any value to their nation or the world. [George Seldes]’ They were ‘gangsters’ more than anything else.”

One striking detailed similarity: Mussolini appointed his son-in-law as foreign minister.

Trump, of course, is infamous for his ultra-thin skin:

“… he would flick through the French press and grow enraged at any criticism of Italy and himself.”

“… there were few things which annoyed Mussolini more than overt criticism.”

“This emotion [anger] had always been a prominent part of the Duce’s reaction to life .…”

Trump and Mussolini share thin-skinned ignorance combined with arrogant contempt:

“The Duce’s version of permanent revolution, it was increasingly plain, was more a story of his own permanent sense that the rest of humankind was not made in this own image (an arrogance which only partially cloaked his own sense of inadequacy …).”

“… it was plain that he [Augusto Rosso] was another who feared that Ciano [son-in-law] was very young, and very inexperienced in the real world, and who knew that Mussolini did not take his professional diplomats seriously.”

“In his diary, Bottai depicted a war leader whose administration grew steadily more ‘approximate’, with the Duce, a ‘man of the banner headline’ at heart, now bored by detail or discussion and preferring to ‘let things run of their own accord’.”

“… the Duce’s reaction, Bottai complained, was, ‘if things go well, take the credit; and, if they go badly, to blame others’. This, Bottai concluded, had become the real meaning of the formula: ‘Mussolini is always right.’ ”

The following speaks for itself, and speaks volumes:

From A.J.P. Taylor, quoted in Bosworth: “Fascism never possessed the ruthless drive, let alone the material strength, of National Socialism. Morally it was just as corrupting — or perhaps more so from its very dishonesty. Everything about Fascism was a fraud. The social peril from which it saved Italy was a fraud; the revolution by which it seized power was a fraud; the ability and policy of Mussolini were fraudulent. Fascist rule was corrupt, incompetent, empty; Mussolini himself a vain, blundering boaster without either ideas or aims.”

Here from a different book, Mussolini and Italian Fascism (2008), by Giuseppe Finaldi:

“Thus Fascism, as it developed in 1920-2, was not a political party, with a program and an internal structure headed by Mussolini who sent proselytizing disciples into the provinces, but a catch-all movement that, loosely speaking, would have met with the approval of many who saw themselves as belonging to the very widespread political and social environment of the Vitterio Veneters [a nationalist movement]. The ingredient that was (almost) unique to fascism and which gave it an edge over traditional patriotic parties was its willingness to employ violence for political ends. Its ability to give a semblance of political coherence and a plausible set of symbolic reference points to what was essentially reactionary vigilantism allowed the process of law and the functioning of democracy … to be sidestepped with panache.”

Just as Mussolini took over the Fascist movement, Trump is exploiting and taking over the ultra-nationalism/alt-right movements. These are the power bases for two dictatorial personalities.

Two additional comparisons —one with Hitler and one with Putin — are also relevant here. Hitler and Nazi-ism have both similarities and differences with Trump and Trumpism, but both include the style of creating multiple competing power centers, to be adjudicated by the ultimate authority. This not only creates chaos, but also encourages striving to produce the positions, actions, and proposals that will most powerfully capture what the Leader will bestow favor upon. It nurtures what came to be called “Working toward the Fuhrer.” It is a formula for extremism.

Violence is central to the history of all of these movements, and both Hitler and Mussolini came to their dictatorial powers via a relatively singular act of violence: the Reichstag fire for Hitler and the Fascist march on Rome for Mussolini.

Putin, however, demonstrates a different path. Violence, even Putin-directed lethal violence, has been a central part of Putin’s creation of his dictatorship, but there has not been any single violent event that generated his power. Instead, Putin’s history has been one of constant undermining and destruction of competing institutions and individuals, to the point that there are no longer any checks on his power. We have already seen major attacks by Trump on the judiciary, the press, and moves to undermine and take over the institutions of public safety. The seditious partisanship of the Republicans in Congress ensures that the legislative branch will not be a check — unless that blind support is somehow itself changed.

The attacks on central institutions of American democracy as “enemies of the people” has a horrible and horribly dangerous historical background. Trump may (or may not) be too ignorant to know of that background, but his inner circle most certainly knows of it, and intends it in full.

And, of course, all of this is in addition to the subversion of American democracy and of the Trump administration by Putin’s Russia.

We live in dangerous times.
by Mark Bickhard - Henry R. Luce Professor in Cogn... (show quote)


This is exactly the type of nonsense I expect a Leftist to post. Mussolini had his political enemies beat up in the streets.

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Oct 7, 2023 17:10:26   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
This is exactly the type of nonsense I expect a Leftist to post. Mussolini had his political enemies beat up in the streets.

Apparently, you didn't read the last few short paragraphs of the article.....

"Violence is central to the history of all of these movements, and both Hitler and Mussolini came to their dictatorial powers via a relatively singular act of violence: the Reichstag fire for Hitler and the Fascist march on Rome for Mussolini.

Putin, however, demonstrates a different path. Violence, even Putin-directed lethal violence, has been a central part of Putin’s creation of his dictatorship, but there has not been any single violent event that generated his power. Instead, Putin’s history has been one of constant undermining and destruction of competing institutions and individuals, to the point that there are no longer any checks on his power. WE HAVE ALRADY SEEN MAJOR ATTACKS BY TRUMP ON THE JUDICIARY, THE PRESS, AND MOVES TO UNDERMINE AND TAKE OVER THE INSITUTIONS PUBLIC SAFETY. The seditious partisanship of the Republicans in Congress ensures that the legislative branch will not be a check — unless that blind support is somehow itself changed.

The attacks on central institutions of American democracy as “enemies of the people” has a horrible and horribly dangerous historical background. Trump may (or may not) be too ignorant to know of that background, but his inner circle most certainly knows of it, and intends it in full.

And, of course, all of this is in addition to the subversion of American democracy and of the Trump administration by Putin’s Russia."

Again, we live in dangerous times.

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Oct 7, 2023 17:31:31   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Apparently, you didn't read the last few short paragraphs of the article.....

"Violence is central to the history of all of these movements, and both Hitler and Mussolini came to their dictatorial powers via a relatively singular act of violence: the Reichstag fire for Hitler and the Fascist march on Rome for Mussolini.

Putin, however, demonstrates a different path. Violence, even Putin-directed lethal violence, has been a central part of Putin’s creation of his dictatorship, but there has not been any single violent event that generated his power. Instead, Putin’s history has been one of constant undermining and destruction of competing institutions and individuals, to the point that there are no longer any checks on his power. WE HAVE ALRADY SEEN MAJOR ATTACKS BY TRUMP ON THE JUDICIARY, THE PRESS, AND MOVES TO UNDERMINE AND TAKE OVER THE INSITUTIONS PUBLIC SAFETY. The seditious partisanship of the Republicans in Congress ensures that the legislative branch will not be a check — unless that blind support is somehow itself changed.

The attacks on central institutions of American democracy as “enemies of the people” has a horrible and horribly dangerous historical background. Trump may (or may not) be too ignorant to know of that background, but his inner circle most certainly knows of it, and intends it in full.

And, of course, all of this is in addition to the subversion of American democracy and of the Trump administration by Putin’s Russia."

Again, we live in dangerous times.
Apparently, you didn't read the last few short par... (show quote)


“Subversion of American democracy by Putin’s Russia”. This has always been a ridiculous assertion but as Goebbels said repeat something often enough and people will believe it

The author fails to realize that the soviets never went away. Putin is like the old Russian leaders. How people forget

Yes we live in dangerous times and what makes it even more dangerous is authors like this let what the democrat party is doing to subvert it go under the radar. Its not just the republicans that are hitting us.

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Oct 7, 2023 17:40:58   #
ed4short Loc: New Hampshire
 
NWR

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Oct 7, 2023 18:20:24   #
pegw
 
slatten49 wrote:
by Mark Bickhard - Henry R. Luce Professor in Cognitive Robotics and the Philosophy of Knowledge in the Department of Psychology at Lehigh University (Bethlehem, PA).

Comparisons between Trump(ism) and Fascism have become frequent, and with good reason. These comparisons are strongest between Trump and Mussolini — stronger than with Hitler and Nazi-ism. Detailed comparisons are difficult for at least two reasons: 1) the historical circumstances are quite different between the 20s and 30s and today, and 2) Fascism was never a coherent political theory or philosophy, but, instead, was a populist and nationalist development in Italy that Mussolini did not create but did take over.

A comparison between Trump and Mussolini in terms of character and style, however, is frighteningly strong — and does give some guidance concerning future concerns. This comparison is based primarily on quotes from a book about Mussolini by R.J.B. Bosworth (2010). In general, the quotes speak for themselves, though I will add some commentary along the way. It should be noted that this book was published years before similarities between Trump and Mussolini became politically relevant, and, thus, were not written with Trump in mind.

I begin with Trump’s arrogant ignorance and incoherence:

“Other more critical contemporaries noticed instead the fluctuations in Mussolini’s ideas and the way he preferred to avoid in-depth conversations, sometimes excusing himself by saying that the details should be left to the experts. Here, they discerned, was a leader more interested in imposing his will than in harmonizing his attitudes or policies. Here was a politician more interested in seeming to know than in knowing.”

“He understood that a totalitarian dictator had to be, or to seem to be, expert in everything.”

“Cowing the press was only one part of building a totalitarian dictatorship.”

Bosworth points to a later developing ambition for Mussolini that is not yet overt with Trump — but it has already been hinted at by some in his inner circle:

“The real novelty of his ambition lay in his pretensions to enter the hearts and minds of his subjects, and so install Fascism as a political religion.”

Again, Trump’s ambition combined with a lack of coherence:

“and so readjusting his own history with his usual aplomb”

“ ‘Reactionary dictators are men of no philosophy, no burning humanitarian ideal, nor even an economic program of any value to their nation or the world. [George Seldes]’ They were ‘gangsters’ more than anything else.”

One striking detailed similarity: Mussolini appointed his son-in-law as foreign minister.

Trump, of course, is infamous for his ultra-thin skin:

“… he would flick through the French press and grow enraged at any criticism of Italy and himself.”

“… there were few things which annoyed Mussolini more than overt criticism.”

“This emotion [anger] had always been a prominent part of the Duce’s reaction to life .…”

Trump and Mussolini share thin-skinned ignorance combined with arrogant contempt:

“The Duce’s version of permanent revolution, it was increasingly plain, was more a story of his own permanent sense that the rest of humankind was not made in this own image (an arrogance which only partially cloaked his own sense of inadequacy …).”

“… it was plain that he [Augusto Rosso] was another who feared that Ciano [son-in-law] was very young, and very inexperienced in the real world, and who knew that Mussolini did not take his professional diplomats seriously.”

“In his diary, Bottai depicted a war leader whose administration grew steadily more ‘approximate’, with the Duce, a ‘man of the banner headline’ at heart, now bored by detail or discussion and preferring to ‘let things run of their own accord’.”

“… the Duce’s reaction, Bottai complained, was, ‘if things go well, take the credit; and, if they go badly, to blame others’. This, Bottai concluded, had become the real meaning of the formula: ‘Mussolini is always right.’ ”

The following speaks for itself, and speaks volumes:

From A.J.P. Taylor, quoted in Bosworth: “Fascism never possessed the ruthless drive, let alone the material strength, of National Socialism. Morally it was just as corrupting — or perhaps more so from its very dishonesty. Everything about Fascism was a fraud. The social peril from which it saved Italy was a fraud; the revolution by which it seized power was a fraud; the ability and policy of Mussolini were fraudulent. Fascist rule was corrupt, incompetent, empty; Mussolini himself a vain, blundering boaster without either ideas or aims.”

Here from a different book, Mussolini and Italian Fascism (2008), by Giuseppe Finaldi:

“Thus Fascism, as it developed in 1920-2, was not a political party, with a program and an internal structure headed by Mussolini who sent proselytizing disciples into the provinces, but a catch-all movement that, loosely speaking, would have met with the approval of many who saw themselves as belonging to the very widespread political and social environment of the Vitterio Veneters [a nationalist movement]. The ingredient that was (almost) unique to fascism and which gave it an edge over traditional patriotic parties was its willingness to employ violence for political ends. Its ability to give a semblance of political coherence and a plausible set of symbolic reference points to what was essentially reactionary vigilantism allowed the process of law and the functioning of democracy … to be sidestepped with panache.”

Just as Mussolini took over the Fascist movement, Trump is exploiting and taking over the ultra-nationalism/alt-right movements. These are the power bases for two dictatorial personalities.

Two additional comparisons —one with Hitler and one with Putin — are also relevant here. Hitler and Nazi-ism have both similarities and differences with Trump and Trumpism, but both include the style of creating multiple competing power centers, to be adjudicated by the ultimate authority. This not only creates chaos, but also encourages striving to produce the positions, actions, and proposals that will most powerfully capture what the Leader will bestow favor upon. It nurtures what came to be called “Working toward the Fuhrer.” It is a formula for extremism.

Violence is central to the history of all of these movements, and both Hitler and Mussolini came to their dictatorial powers via a relatively singular act of violence: the Reichstag fire for Hitler and the Fascist march on Rome for Mussolini.

Putin, however, demonstrates a different path. Violence, even Putin-directed lethal violence, has been a central part of Putin’s creation of his dictatorship, but there has not been any single violent event that generated his power. Instead, Putin’s history has been one of constant undermining and destruction of competing institutions and individuals, to the point that there are no longer any checks on his power. We have already seen major attacks by Trump on the judiciary, the press, and moves to undermine and take over the institutions of public safety. The seditious partisanship of the Republicans in Congress ensures that the legislative branch will not be a check — unless that blind support is somehow itself changed.

The attacks on central institutions of American democracy as “enemies of the people” has a horrible and horribly dangerous historical background. Trump may (or may not) be too ignorant to know of that background, but his inner circle most certainly knows of it, and intends it in full.

And, of course, all of this is in addition to the subversion of American democracy and of the Trump administration by Putin’s Russia.

We live in dangerous times.
by Mark Bickhard - Henry R. Luce Professor in Cogn... (show quote)

Good article. I just hope people on this forum read it

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Oct 7, 2023 18:51:07   #
Crystalman
 
I see parallels between Trunp and Julius Caeser, both leaders the people loved and the politicians feared, hence the

politicians fears caused them to destroy what they feared. And both times the politicians demonstrated their

cowardiice.

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Oct 7, 2023 19:55:19   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
“Subversion of American democracy by Putin’s Russia”. This has always been a ridiculous assertion but as Goebbels said repeat something often enough and people will believe it

The author fails to realize that the soviets never went away. Putin is like the old Russian leaders. How people forget

Yes we live in dangerous times and what makes it even more dangerous is authors like this let what the democrat party is doing to subvert it go under the radar. Its not just the republicans that are hitting us.
“Subversion of American democracy by Putin’s Russi... (show quote)

Thanks. We disagree on many issues. Yet, your responses are always reasoned/rational and lack vitriol. Posters can disagree without being disagreeable. Posters/contributors such as you are to be appreciated.

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Oct 7, 2023 19:56:27   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
ed4short wrote:
NWR

Thank you for not doing so.

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Oct 7, 2023 19:57:20   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
slatten49 wrote:
by Mark Bickhard - Henry R. Luce Professor in Cognitive Robotics and the Philosophy of Knowledge in the Department of Psychology at Lehigh University (Bethlehem, PA).

Comparisons between Trump(ism) and Fascism have become frequent, and with good reason. These comparisons are strongest between Trump and Mussolini — stronger than with Hitler and Nazi-ism. Detailed comparisons are difficult for at least two reasons: 1) the historical circumstances are quite different between the 20s and 30s and today, and 2) Fascism was never a coherent political theory or philosophy, but, instead, was a populist and nationalist development in Italy that Mussolini did not create but did take over.

A comparison between Trump and Mussolini in terms of character and style, however, is frighteningly strong — and does give some guidance concerning future concerns. This comparison is based primarily on quotes from a book about Mussolini by R.J.B. Bosworth (2010). In general, the quotes speak for themselves, though I will add some commentary along the way. It should be noted that this book was published years before similarities between Trump and Mussolini became politically relevant, and, thus, were not written with Trump in mind.

I begin with Trump’s arrogant ignorance and incoherence:

“Other more critical contemporaries noticed instead the fluctuations in Mussolini’s ideas and the way he preferred to avoid in-depth conversations, sometimes excusing himself by saying that the details should be left to the experts. Here, they discerned, was a leader more interested in imposing his will than in harmonizing his attitudes or policies. Here was a politician more interested in seeming to know than in knowing.”

“He understood that a totalitarian dictator had to be, or to seem to be, expert in everything.”

“Cowing the press was only one part of building a totalitarian dictatorship.”

Bosworth points to a later developing ambition for Mussolini that is not yet overt with Trump — but it has already been hinted at by some in his inner circle:

“The real novelty of his ambition lay in his pretensions to enter the hearts and minds of his subjects, and so install Fascism as a political religion.”

Again, Trump’s ambition combined with a lack of coherence:

“and so readjusting his own history with his usual aplomb”

“ ‘Reactionary dictators are men of no philosophy, no burning humanitarian ideal, nor even an economic program of any value to their nation or the world. [George Seldes]’ They were ‘gangsters’ more than anything else.”

One striking detailed similarity: Mussolini appointed his son-in-law as foreign minister.

Trump, of course, is infamous for his ultra-thin skin:

“… he would flick through the French press and grow enraged at any criticism of Italy and himself.”

“… there were few things which annoyed Mussolini more than overt criticism.”

“This emotion [anger] had always been a prominent part of the Duce’s reaction to life .…”

Trump and Mussolini share thin-skinned ignorance combined with arrogant contempt:

“The Duce’s version of permanent revolution, it was increasingly plain, was more a story of his own permanent sense that the rest of humankind was not made in this own image (an arrogance which only partially cloaked his own sense of inadequacy …).”

“… it was plain that he [Augusto Rosso] was another who feared that Ciano [son-in-law] was very young, and very inexperienced in the real world, and who knew that Mussolini did not take his professional diplomats seriously.”

“In his diary, Bottai depicted a war leader whose administration grew steadily more ‘approximate’, with the Duce, a ‘man of the banner headline’ at heart, now bored by detail or discussion and preferring to ‘let things run of their own accord’.”

“… the Duce’s reaction, Bottai complained, was, ‘if things go well, take the credit; and, if they go badly, to blame others’. This, Bottai concluded, had become the real meaning of the formula: ‘Mussolini is always right.’ ”

The following speaks for itself, and speaks volumes:

From A.J.P. Taylor, quoted in Bosworth: “Fascism never possessed the ruthless drive, let alone the material strength, of National Socialism. Morally it was just as corrupting — or perhaps more so from its very dishonesty. Everything about Fascism was a fraud. The social peril from which it saved Italy was a fraud; the revolution by which it seized power was a fraud; the ability and policy of Mussolini were fraudulent. Fascist rule was corrupt, incompetent, empty; Mussolini himself a vain, blundering boaster without either ideas or aims.”

Here from a different book, Mussolini and Italian Fascism (2008), by Giuseppe Finaldi:

“Thus Fascism, as it developed in 1920-2, was not a political party, with a program and an internal structure headed by Mussolini who sent proselytizing disciples into the provinces, but a catch-all movement that, loosely speaking, would have met with the approval of many who saw themselves as belonging to the very widespread political and social environment of the Vitterio Veneters [a nationalist movement]. The ingredient that was (almost) unique to fascism and which gave it an edge over traditional patriotic parties was its willingness to employ violence for political ends. Its ability to give a semblance of political coherence and a plausible set of symbolic reference points to what was essentially reactionary vigilantism allowed the process of law and the functioning of democracy … to be sidestepped with panache.”

Just as Mussolini took over the Fascist movement, Trump is exploiting and taking over the ultra-nationalism/alt-right movements. These are the power bases for two dictatorial personalities.

Two additional comparisons —one with Hitler and one with Putin — are also relevant here. Hitler and Nazi-ism have both similarities and differences with Trump and Trumpism, but both include the style of creating multiple competing power centers, to be adjudicated by the ultimate authority. This not only creates chaos, but also encourages striving to produce the positions, actions, and proposals that will most powerfully capture what the Leader will bestow favor upon. It nurtures what came to be called “Working toward the Fuhrer.” It is a formula for extremism.

Violence is central to the history of all of these movements, and both Hitler and Mussolini came to their dictatorial powers via a relatively singular act of violence: the Reichstag fire for Hitler and the Fascist march on Rome for Mussolini.

Putin, however, demonstrates a different path. Violence, even Putin-directed lethal violence, has been a central part of Putin’s creation of his dictatorship, but there has not been any single violent event that generated his power. Instead, Putin’s history has been one of constant undermining and destruction of competing institutions and individuals, to the point that there are no longer any checks on his power. We have already seen major attacks by Trump on the judiciary, the press, and moves to undermine and take over the institutions of public safety. The seditious partisanship of the Republicans in Congress ensures that the legislative branch will not be a check — unless that blind support is somehow itself changed.

The attacks on central institutions of American democracy as “enemies of the people” has a horrible and horribly dangerous historical background. Trump may (or may not) be too ignorant to know of that background, but his inner circle most certainly knows of it, and intends it in full.

And, of course, all of this is in addition to the subversion of American democracy and of the Trump administration by Putin’s Russia.

We live in dangerous times.
by Mark Bickhard - Henry R. Luce Professor in Cogn... (show quote)



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Oct 7, 2023 19:59:32   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thanks. We disagree on many issues. Yet, your responses are always reasoned/rational and lack vitriol. Posters can disagree without being disagreeable. Posters/contributors such as you are to be appreciated.


You too. And if we don’t test our beliefs then really what good are they. Keep posting these articles.

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Oct 7, 2023 20:09:02   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
Apparently, you didn't read the last few short paragraphs of the article.....

"Violence is central to the history of all of these movements, and both Hitler and Mussolini came to their dictatorial powers via a relatively singular act of violence: the Reichstag fire for Hitler and the Fascist march on Rome for Mussolini.

Putin, however, demonstrates a different path. Violence, even Putin-directed lethal violence, has been a central part of Putin’s creation of his dictatorship, but there has not been any single violent event that generated his power. Instead, Putin’s history has been one of constant undermining and destruction of competing institutions and individuals, to the point that there are no longer any checks on his power. WE HAVE ALRADY SEEN MAJOR ATTACKS BY TRUMP ON THE JUDICIARY, THE PRESS, AND MOVES TO UNDERMINE AND TAKE OVER THE INSITUTIONS PUBLIC SAFETY. The seditious partisanship of the Republicans in Congress ensures that the legislative branch will not be a check — unless that blind support is somehow itself changed.

The attacks on central institutions of American democracy as “enemies of the people” has a horrible and horribly dangerous historical background. Trump may (or may not) be too ignorant to know of that background, but his inner circle most certainly knows of it, and intends it in full.

And, of course, all of this is in addition to the subversion of American democracy and of the Trump administration by Putin’s Russia."

Again, we live in dangerous times.
Apparently, you didn't read the last few short par... (show quote)


" WE HAVE ALRADY SEEN MAJOR ATTACKS BY TRUMP ON THE JUDICIARY, THE PRESS, AND MOVES TO UNDERMINE AND TAKE OVER THE INSITUTIONS PUBLIC SAFETY. "

Bull Crap, Bull Crap, Bull Crap, Bull Crap. Actually I apologize. I meant Project, Projection, Projection, Projection. Expressing dissatisfaction with the press and the judiciary is not automatically Fascist. Every President in modern times has slammed the press and most have slammed the Judiciary too.

I said Projection because I mean it. It is the good folks on the LEFT who tried to undermine the Judiciary, not President Trump. Remember the leftist protesters rabble rousing ILLEGALLY outside Supreme Court Justice's homes, trying to intimidate them and no Democrat officials would do their job and stop it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As far as the press, your side always slams Fox News. So neener, neener, neener.

Trump never used mob violence.

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Oct 7, 2023 20:19:50   #
Radar OReilly
 
pegw wrote:
Good article. I just hope people on this forum read it


Yes it is a good article. Very informative. We do need more to read the article.

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