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Oct 7, 2023 07:19:53   #
ExperienceCounts
 
Hum- many deny any deity, much as they consider the Constitution irrelevant and outdated when it suits their narrative. We see the results when laws are trashed, ignored, or not upheld. History teaches many things--our nation is on a slippery slope going downwards.

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Oct 7, 2023 09:32:51   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Parky60 wrote:
What’s that book those presidents swear in on every four years? Of course, it’s the Bible. Is it just a prop or is there meaning to that tradition?

One of the great religious liberty groups in our day is First Liberty, founded by Kelly Shackelford and based in the Dallas area. First Liberty is fighting the good fight on behalf of our nation’s first liberty, religious liberty – in the courts of the land and in the courts of public opinion.

Recently, they sent out a communique, dealing with a battle over quoting the Scriptures in a school board meeting by a school board member in the Phoenix area.

Heather Rooks is the school board member who has been banned from quoting the Bible during board meetings.

First Liberty describes what happened:

“Ms. Rooks began her term as an elected member of the Peoria School Board in January 2023. During each Peoria School Board meeting, the agenda includes a brief ‘Board comments’ period where individual board members may offer remarks of their own choosing.”

And then they add,

“Since the beginning of her public service on the board, Ms. Rooks has opened her comments by quoting a short scripture from the Bible. The Peoria School Board subsequently received letters from anti-religious organizations demanding it stop Ms. Rooks from reading scripture. In August, the school board chairman instructed Ms. Rooks to stop quoting scripture during meeting time specifically set aside for board members to comment on any topic they choose.”

Rooks told First Liberty:

“I am grateful to be a part of the Peoria Unified School board. As a member of the school board, I understand the weight and significance of all of our decisions, and simply find quoting scripture out loud to be encouraging to myself and to many in attendance.”

First Liberty has now filed a lawsuit on behalf of Rooks, so that the censoring of the Bible will stop.

Four decades ago, the ACLU, which one conservative wag labeled, “the Anti-Christian Litigation Unit,” sued to halt the practice of chaplains to open the legislative sessions in the state of Nebraska because this supposedly violated the establishment clause. This case went to the highest court of the land.

In 1983, the U.S. Supreme Court decided the case in favor of chaplains. This case, known as Marsh v. Chambers, is one of the SCOTUS decisions that First Liberty mentions in this new lawsuit.

In that case, the Supreme Court declared, “The practice of opening sessions of Congress with prayer has continued without interruption for almost 200 years, ever since the First Congress drafted the First Amendment.”

Did the Founders want America to be a secular wasteland? Not at all. The Bible was very important to those who founded this country. Some of them served in Bible societies, in order to distribute the Scriptures throughout the land.

When Bibles that had been printed in England ran out during the 1770s, the framers even voted to recommend a Bible published by a Philadelphia-based printer.

In the streets of Philadelphia, to this day, not too far from Penn’s Landing and Delaware River Waterfront, you can see a sign highlighting the Robert Aiken Bibles.

Here’s what the sign says:

“Robert Aitken (1734-1802). An influential revolutionary-era printer, he operated a shop on this block. In 1782, Aitken printed the nation’s first complete English Bible. It received the endorsement from Congress and was the only new Bible available to colonists due to printing restrictions and import embargoes.”

Bridwell Library Special Collections explains, “When America declared its independence from Britain at Philadelphia in 1776, America’s printers were no longer bound by the Royal Patent prohibiting the production of English Bibles in the colonies.”

Indeed, on September 10, 1782, Congress declared: “Whereupon, Resolved, That the United States in Congress assembled...recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States, and hereby authorize [Robert Aitken] to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.”

The Bible was important to virtually every founder of America. For example, John Adams made this entry in his diary on February 22, 1756:

“Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God...What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be.”

Today’s secularists are on a mission to drive any vestige of our nation’s Christian heritage out of the public arena. But it is precisely that Biblical legacy that has given us our liberty. May the Bible be proclaimed throughout the land for freedom’s sake, yes, even at school board meetings.
What’s that book those presidents swear in on ever... (show quote)


Schools went down hill and so did our youth when they took the Bible and respect for the flag out of our schools

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Oct 7, 2023 10:19:24   #
youngwilliam Loc: Deep in the heart
 
ExperienceCounts wrote:
Hum- many deny any deity, much as they consider the Constitution irrelevant and outdated when it suits their narrative. We see the results when laws are trashed, ignored, or not upheld. History teaches many things--our nation is on a slippery slope going downwards.


I don't think the slope is slippery anymore, it's iced over and slick.

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Oct 7, 2023 12:59:10   #
Radiance3
 
Parky60 wrote:
What’s that book those presidents swear in on every four years? Of course, it’s the Bible. Is it just a prop or is there meaning to that tradition?

One of the great religious liberty groups in our day is First Liberty, founded by Kelly Shackelford and based in the Dallas area. First Liberty is fighting the good fight on behalf of our nation’s first liberty, religious liberty – in the courts of the land and in the courts of public opinion.

Recently, they sent out a communique, dealing with a battle over quoting the Scriptures in a school board meeting by a school board member in the Phoenix area.

Heather Rooks is the school board member who has been banned from quoting the Bible during board meetings.

First Liberty describes what happened:

“Ms. Rooks began her term as an elected member of the Peoria School Board in January 2023. During each Peoria School Board meeting, the agenda includes a brief ‘Board comments’ period where individual board members may offer remarks of their own choosing.”

And then they add,

“Since the beginning of her public service on the board, Ms. Rooks has opened her comments by quoting a short scripture from the Bible. The Peoria School Board subsequently received letters from anti-religious organizations demanding it stop Ms. Rooks from reading scripture. In August, the school board chairman instructed Ms. Rooks to stop quoting scripture during meeting time specifically set aside for board members to comment on any topic they choose.”

Rooks told First Liberty:

“I am grateful to be a part of the Peoria Unified School board. As a member of the school board, I understand the weight and significance of all of our decisions, and simply find quoting scripture out loud to be encouraging to myself and to many in attendance.”

First Liberty has now filed a lawsuit on behalf of Rooks, so that the censoring of the Bible will stop.

Four decades ago, the ACLU, which one conservative wag labeled, “the Anti-Christian Litigation Unit,” sued to halt the practice of chaplains to open the legislative sessions in the state of Nebraska because this supposedly violated the establishment clause. This case went to the highest court of the land.

In 1983, the U.S. Supreme Court decided the case in favor of chaplains. This case, known as Marsh v. Chambers, is one of the SCOTUS decisions that First Liberty mentions in this new lawsuit.

In that case, the Supreme Court declared, “The practice of opening sessions of Congress with prayer has continued without interruption for almost 200 years, ever since the First Congress drafted the First Amendment.”

Did the Founders want America to be a secular wasteland? Not at all. The Bible was very important to those who founded this country. Some of them served in Bible societies, in order to distribute the Scriptures throughout the land.

When Bibles that had been printed in England ran out during the 1770s, the framers even voted to recommend a Bible published by a Philadelphia-based printer.

In the streets of Philadelphia, to this day, not too far from Penn’s Landing and Delaware River Waterfront, you can see a sign highlighting the Robert Aiken Bibles.

Here’s what the sign says:

“Robert Aitken (1734-1802). An influential revolutionary-era printer, he operated a shop on this block. In 1782, Aitken printed the nation’s first complete English Bible. It received the endorsement from Congress and was the only new Bible available to colonists due to printing restrictions and import embargoes.”

Bridwell Library Special Collections explains, “When America declared its independence from Britain at Philadelphia in 1776, America’s printers were no longer bound by the Royal Patent prohibiting the production of English Bibles in the colonies.”

Indeed, on September 10, 1782, Congress declared: “Whereupon, Resolved, That the United States in Congress assembled...recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States, and hereby authorize [Robert Aitken] to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper.”

The Bible was important to virtually every founder of America. For example, John Adams made this entry in his diary on February 22, 1756:

“Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God...What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be.”

Today’s secularists are on a mission to drive any vestige of our nation’s Christian heritage out of the public arena. But it is precisely that Biblical legacy that has given us our liberty. May the Bible be proclaimed throughout the land for freedom’s sake, yes, even at school board meetings.
What’s that book those presidents swear in on ever... (show quote)

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Why the Holy Bible is now prohibited in the Publlic Square. Reason, it will offend other religions. According to Barack Obama in 2006, we are NO longer a Christian nation. Obama is a Muslim.

Obama, June 28, 2006 (as delivered): Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

I must insist that America was founded a Christian nation. Under the Judeo-Christian principles. Check the Declaration of Independence. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. These principles came from God.

‍America’s origins were deeply religious and infused with faith traditions informed by the Bible. Many of the early English settlers came to America fleeing religious persecution. The original thirteen colonies, chartered by the Crown, were in fact under the rule of a Christian state with an established church.

Pew Research reported however, are ALL LIES. It reported that only Joe Biden was a Catholic. All presidents were Christians, except Biden who is a Catholic. Kennedy was a Catholic. Did Pew forget that?
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This was a stupid remark. Biden was being thrown out of the Catholic Church by the Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests. Kennedy was a Catholic. Only the Socialist Pope Francis, installed by Barack Obama, like Biden.

The Catholic Church created by Christ 2000 years ago, are the true Christians. The Holy Bible was created by the Catholic Church. The Protestant was in protest by Luther and started in Oct. 1517. That's the difference. Protestants are also Christians. Protestant based on Scriptures. Catholics have the Scriptures and traditions based on the Apostles earlier before they created the Bible 2000 years ago.

Matthew 16:18. How the Catholic Church was created by Christ. 2000 years ago, Jesus built the Catholic Church. In this Rock, I will build my Church.


Catholics have 46 books in the Old Testament, and 27 books in the New Testament, total of 73 books.
Protestants have 39 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament, total of 66 books.

I don't care what Christian church they belong, as long as they don't LIE! PEW research is either dumb or a LIAR!

Why Christians are declining in the US.
One reason for that is the immoralities among non-Christians, and non -Catholic believers. Abortions, LGBT's and TRANS, and kids indoctrinated to various immoralities, they live together without being married. And they call themselves Christians, but their actions are not. They violate the Commandments of God.

Catholics never allow those immoralities, and train kids from childhood the morals and ethics, honor and respect Christ. Obey the Ten Commandments of Christ. If they don't obey, they are given so many ways to repent, before fully accepted.

Millions of illegal invaders come to the US allowed by Biden are not Christians. Most of them are drug makers, dealers, terrorists, rapists, and all sorts of mayhem.
Hindus
Muslims
Buddhists believe in Budha.
Taoism
Atheists

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Oct 7, 2023 13:23:30   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Why the Holy Bible is now prohibited in the Publlic Square. Reason, it will offend other religions. According to Barack Obama in 2006, we are NO longer a Christian nation. Obama is a Muslim.

Obama, June 28, 2006 (as delivered): Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

I must insist that America was founded a Christian nation. Under the Judeo-Christian principles. Check the Declaration of Independence. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. These principles came from God.

‍America’s origins were deeply religious and infused with faith traditions informed by the Bible. Many of the early English settlers came to America fleeing religious persecution. The original thirteen colonies, chartered by the Crown, were in fact under the rule of a Christian state with an established church.

Pew Research reported however, are ALL LIES. It reported that only Joe Biden was a Catholic. All presidents were Christians, except Biden who is a Catholic. Kennedy was a Catholic. Did Pew forget that?
.
This was a stupid remark. Biden was being thrown out of the Catholic Church by the Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests. Kennedy was a Catholic. Only the Socialist Pope Francis, installed by Barack Obama, like Biden.

The Catholic Church created by Christ 2000 years are the true Christians. The Protestant was in protest by Luther and started in Oct. 1517. That's the difference. They are also Christians.

I don't care what Christian church they belong, as long as they don't LIE! PEW research is either dumb or a LIAR!

Why Christians are declining in the US.
One reason for that is the immoralities among non-Christians, and non -Catholic believers. Abortions, LGBT's and TRANS, and kids indoctrinated to various immoralities, they live together without being married. And they call themselves Christians, but their actions are not. They violate the Commandments of God.

Catholics never allow those immoralities, and train kids from childhood the morals and ethics, honor and respect Christ. If they don't obey, they are thrown out of the Catholic Church.

Millions of illegal invaders come to the US allowed by Biden are not Christians. Most of them are drug makers, dealers, terrorists, rapists, and all sorts of mayhem.
Hindus
Muslims
Buddhists believe in Budha.
Taoism
Atheists
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My feed is messed. Replying to this.
America under the Biden-Obama administration is no longer a Christian country.
Was it founded as a Christian’ Nation?

Seems to me people who could afford to move across the world and survive were free spirits.

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Oct 7, 2023 13:38:05   #
Radiance3
 
[quote=RascalRiley]My feed is messed. Replying to this.
[i]America under the Biden-Obama administration is no longer a Christian country.[/i
Was it founded as a Christian’ Nation?

Seems to me people who could afford to move across the world and survive were free spirits.[/quote]
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That was the comment of Barack Obama in 2006. He said that America is NO LONGER A CHRISTIAN NATION! It is also a Muslim nation, Hindu, etc.

I insist that America was founded a Christian nation, under the principles of the Christian -Judeo. All the Founding documents had references to the Chistian-Judeo principles.
Here they are:
The Declaration of Independence
The US Constitution.
The Pledge of Allegiance
Even Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.

The 1st settlers of America were all Christians. They escaped religious persecutions in Europe. The only valuable asset they had was the Holy Bible. This United States was under the guidance of Christ.
The Holy Bible is about the Christian Judeo Principles. Christ is a Jewish, and he lived and died with the Jewish tradition.

It's all prophesied on the books.

If you are not a Christian, you won't understand any of this.
Barack Obama is a Muslim. Are you a Muslim?

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Oct 7, 2023 13:59:51   #
American Vet
 
RascalRiley wrote:
My feed is messed. Replying to this.
America under the Biden-Obama administration is no longer a Christian country.
Was it founded as a Christian’ Nation?

Seems to me people who could afford to move across the world and survive were free spirits.


As usual, your lack of education is showing.

The Pilgrims were Calvinists and Congregationalists. They were radical Puritans and held mostly Puritan beliefs about God, the Bible, church government, morality, and the world around them.
https://www.gotquestions.org/who-were-the-pilgrims.html

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Oct 7, 2023 14:45:51   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
American Vet wrote:
As usual, your lack of education is showing.

The Pilgrims were Calvinists and Congregationalists. They were radical Puritans and held mostly Puritan beliefs about God, the Bible, church government, morality, and the world around them.
https://www.gotquestions.org/who-were-the-pilgrims.html

AV. So is it freedom of religion about freedom of which Chistian religion?

“Our thoughts and prayers” will not cut it for the next generation

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Oct 7, 2023 16:08:15   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
RascalRiley wrote:
My feed is messed. Replying to this.
America under the Biden-Obama administration is no longer a Christian country.
Was it founded as a Christian’ Nation?

Seems to me people who could afford to move across the world and survive were free spirits.
It isn't just your feed that is messed.

America was founded by Christians, but they obviously rejected the idea of a theocracy.

Did America Have a Christian Founding?
Abstract: Did America have a Christian Founding? This disputed question, far from being only of historical interest, has important implications for how we conceive of the role of religion in the American republic. Mark David Hall begins by considering two popular answers to the query—“Of course not!” and “Absolutely!”—both of which distort the Founders’ views. After showing that Christian ideas were one of the important intellectual influences on the Founders, he discusses three major areas of agreement with respect to religious liberty and church–state relations at the time of the Founding: Religious liberty is a right and must be protected; the national government should not create an established church, and states should have them only if they encourage and assist Christianity; and religion belongs in the public square. In short, while America did not have a Christian Founding in the sense of creating a theocracy, its Founding was deeply shaped by Christian moral truths. More important, it created a regime that was hospitable to Christians, but also to practitioners of other religions.

How The Bible Inspired The American Founding From The Beginning
The following essay is part of The Federalist’s 1620 Project, a symposium exploring the connections and contributions of the early Pilgrim and Puritan settlers in New England to the uniquely American synthesis of faith, family, freedom, and self-government.

The Bible in American Schools: 1700 to 1900

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Oct 7, 2023 16:23:08   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
It isn't just your feed that is messed.

America was founded by Christians, but they obviously rejected the idea of a theocracy.

Did America Have a Christian Founding?
Abstract: Did America have a Christian Founding? This disputed question, far from being only of historical interest, has important implications for how we conceive of the role of religion in the American republic. Mark David Hall begins by considering two popular answers to the query—“Of course not!” and “Absolutely!”—both of which distort the Founders’ views. After showing that Christian ideas were one of the important intellectual influences on the Founders, he discusses three major areas of agreement with respect to religious liberty and church–state relations at the time of the Founding: Religious liberty is a right and must be protected; the national government should not create an established church, and states should have them only if they encourage and assist Christianity; and religion belongs in the public square. In short, while America did not have a Christian Founding in the sense of creating a theocracy, its Founding was deeply shaped by Christian moral truths. More important, it created a regime that was hospitable to Christians, but also to practitioners of other religions.

How The Bible Inspired The American Founding From The Beginning
The following essay is part of The Federalist’s 1620 Project, a symposium exploring the connections and contributions of the early Pilgrim and Puritan settlers in New England to the uniquely American synthesis of faith, family, freedom, and self-government.

The Bible in American Schools: 1700 to 1900
It isn't just your feed that is messed. br br Am... (show quote)

America was founded by Christians, but they obviously rejected the idea of a theocracy.

But now it is happening again. Non believers are ostracized.

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Oct 7, 2023 16:24:15   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Over your head, or as you would have retorted, under your feet.

I stand by my statement. Religion/spiritually should be private but I see a problem with that in that I follow meditation guides on instagram.


So churches should be banned because they preach openly?? What??

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Oct 7, 2023 16:27:53   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Scripture is high priest words. Those that manipulate then.

Now we know the Earth revolves around the sun.


Scripture is God`s words!!

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Oct 7, 2023 16:33:10   #
martsiva
 
RascalRiley wrote:
America was founded by Christians, but they obviously rejected the idea of a theocracy.

But now it is happening again. Non believers are ostracized.


Point to where there is any theocracy in our nation!! It is believers who are being ostracized and you are a classic example of that!!

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Oct 7, 2023 16:34:41   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
RascalRiley wrote:
America was founded by Christians, but they obviously rejected the idea of a theocracy.

But now it is happening again. Non believers are ostracized.
Actually, given the onrush of anti-Christian paganism, it is the other way around.

There is no effort afoot to rewrite or amend the constitution in order to establish America as a Christian theocracy.

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Oct 7, 2023 17:25:20   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
martsiva wrote:
So churches should be banned because they preach openly?? What??

I do not fear death, rather my belief is one of reuniting with.

I too believe we are connected to a greater. Life is connection.

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