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Despite growing opposition and serious problems at home, Democrats make Ukraine funding their top priority...
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Oct 5, 2023 11:58:32   #
American Vet
 
Mmt08 wrote:
The money sent to Ukraine is less than 1% of the money the United States spends on foreign aid. Defeating Russia is the highest priority for democracy worldwide. What Putin has doing to Ukraine is the reason we cannot stop. The rape, torture and killing of civilians along with the total destruction of their country cannot be allowed to continue just for humanity:s sake.

We should do much much more and to end this because we can. Unless you're in love with Putin and Trump I can't think of any reason not to defend Ukraine.
The money sent to Ukraine is less than 1% of the m... (show quote)


Seven Reasons the U.S. Shouldn't Help Ukraine's Fight With Russia

1)Russia isn't Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya.
While the Obama administration has resisted proposals for military confrontation with Moscow, a gaggle of ivory tower warriors has pushed to arm Ukraine, bring Kiev into NATO and station U.S. men and planes in Ukraine. These steps could lead to war.
Americans have come to expect easy victories. However, Russia would be no pushover. In particular, Moscow has a full range of nuclear weapons, which it could use to respond to allied conventional superiority.

2)Moscow has more at stake than the West in Ukraine.
Ukraine matters far more to Moscow than to Washington. Thus, the former will devote far greater resources and take far greater risks than the allies will. The Putin government already has accepted financial losses, economic isolation, human casualties and political hostility.

3) Alliances should enhance U.S. security, not provide foreign charity.
It's impossible to blame Ukraine for wanting the West to protect it. But it makes no sense for the allies to do so. Adding Ukraine to NATO would dramatically degrade U.S. security by transforming a minor conflict irrelevant to Washington into a military dispute between America and Russia.

4)Security guarantees and alliance commitments often spread rather than deter conflict.
NATO advocates presume that membership would dissuade Russia from taking military action. Alas, deterrence often fails. In World War I alliances become transmission belts of war.

5) U.S. foreign policy should be based on the interest of America, not other nations.
The greatest distortion to U.S. foreign policy may come from ethnic lobbying. There's nothing wrong with having affection for one's ancestral homeland, like Ukraine. But U.S. foreign policy should be designed to benefit America, not other nations. Some advocates for Kiev argue that Ukraine deserves support since France helped the American colonists win their independence. But France intervened in the American Revolution because Paris believed it was in France's interest to weaken Britain. Going to war with Moscow would offer Americans no similar benefit.

6) It's Europe's turn to act.
If Ukraine matters geopolitically, it is to Europe. But most NATO members continue to shrink their militaries. It is time Europe did the military heavy lifting.

7) A negotiated settlement is the only solution.
Unfortunately, weaker parties often must make accommodations. During the Cold War, Finland maintained its domestic liberties by not antagonizing the Soviet Union.

https://www.newsweek.com/seven-reasons-us-shouldnt-help-ukraines-fight-russia-303002

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Oct 5, 2023 12:06:10   #
martsiva
 
Mmt08 wrote:
The money sent to Ukraine is less than 1% of the money the United States spends on foreign aid. Defeating Russia is the highest priority for democracy worldwide. What Putin has doing to Ukraine is the reason we cannot stop. The rape, torture and killing of civilians along with the total destruction of their country cannot be allowed to continue just for humanity:s sake.

We should do much much more and to end this because we can. Unless you're in love with Putin and Trump I can't think of any reason not to defend Ukraine.
The money sent to Ukraine is less than 1% of the m... (show quote)


Typical Democrat comment!! That '1%' is money we don`t have!! That1% is needed here to fix our own problems - the border crisis ring a bell?? That 1% is needed to put Americans first instead of being spent on illegals and a foreign government!! We do not have the billions to send to Ukraine!!! Now you show us how wanting our own country and Americans being put first makes us 'in love with Putin'!!! Tell us how much better we are under Biden than under Trump!!

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Oct 5, 2023 12:23:30   #
American Vet
 
martsiva wrote:
Typical Democrat comment!! That '1%' is money we don`t have!! That1% is needed here to fix our own problems - the border crisis ring a bell?? That 1% is needed to put Americans first instead of being spent on illegals and a foreign government!! We do not have the billions to send to Ukraine!!! Now you show us how wanting our own country and Americans being put first makes us 'in love with Putin'!!! Tell us how much better we are under Biden than under Trump!!


We do not have money to send anywhere overseas. I have consistently said NO FOREIGN AID till we have taken care of our own and paid the nation debt.

If you believe that a country needs money, feel free to send them yours........

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Oct 5, 2023 12:36:43   #
martsiva
 
American Vet wrote:
We do not have money to send anywhere overseas. I have consistently said NO FOREIGN AID till we have taken care of our own and paid the nation debt.

If you believe that a country needs money, feel free to send them yours........


Who are you replying to?? I said the same thing!

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Oct 5, 2023 12:37:52   #
woodguru
 
proud republican wrote:
https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/02/despite-growing-opposition-and-serious-problems-at-home-democrats-make-ukraine-funding-their-top-priority/


No...wake up, Ukraine funding has become one of MAGA republican's top priorities in terms of obstruction
...Abortion isn't working
...Critical Race Theory didn't work
...Wokism isn't working

All they got is border, Ukraine, and Biden's corruption fairy tale

try posting some commentary rather than simply providing links to moronic federalist society crap, people care more about what you thought than what lame sources cover

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Oct 5, 2023 12:58:20   #
American Vet
 
martsiva wrote:
Who are you replying to?? I said the same thing!


My apologies - I was not clear in my post that I agree with you entirely.

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Oct 5, 2023 13:06:01   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
American Vet wrote:
We do not have money to send anywhere overseas. I have consistently said NO FOREIGN AID till we have taken care of our own and paid the nation debt.

If you believe that a country needs money, feel free to send them yours........


Excellent points. A billion or two here, there, and everywhere, and the next thing you know you've got a $31 Trillion national debt.

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Oct 5, 2023 13:52:12   #
Justice101
 
woodguru wrote:
No...wake up, Ukraine funding has become one of MAGA republican's top priorities in terms of obstruction
...Abortion isn't working
...Critical Race Theory didn't work
...Wokism isn't working

All they got is border, Ukraine, and Biden's corruption fairy tale

try posting some commentary rather than simply providing links to moronic federalist society crap, people care more about what you thought than what lame sources cover


You obviously haven't been reading your left-leaning news sites Woody and you don't know what you're talking about. Republicans are for our government's funding the borders of the United States instead of the borders of Ukraine. Around 5+ million illegal aliens have crossed into the US since Biden took office and invited the world to surge our border and claim asylum; that isn't counting the "gotaways" who snuck in undetected. Our National Security, crime, drug and human smuggling from the border crisis is only a small part of Biden's terrible domestic policy. His "Bidenomics" sucks as well. He can't continue to lie and gaslight the American people that the economy is great, that inflation isn't rising, food and services aren't costing more, gasoline is more than double again what it was when he took office, credit card debt has reached $1Trillion. He can't mandate what cars and appliances we can buy and use according to his green energy and climate change policies. Those are some reasons why his approval ratings are tanking, and why many Democrats are looking for a different candidate as well.

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Oct 5, 2023 14:11:12   #
martsiva
 
American Vet wrote:
My apologies - I was not clear in my post that I agree with you entirely.


No problem!!

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Oct 6, 2023 00:33:22   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Kevyn wrote:
Most people find the defense of the free world against tyranny of great importance.


I didn't know The World was at risk! Ahahahaha Ahhahahaha, Warning, warning, the whole world at risk from Russia, send your money to Ukraine and save the 🌎

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Oct 9, 2023 19:07:16   #
Mmt08
 
Watch much right wing news lately?

Militarily Russia would be a better ally than Ukraine but Russia is killing innocent civilians which is counter to democracy and basic human decency. If we left Ukraine to die at the hands of Russia we would be as guilty as those doing the killing.
To look the other way would be a failure as a human being.

Knowing Ukrainians are raped tortured and killed on a regular basis is the reason to defend any democracy against Russian aggression.

But immigration is definitely a serious issue with our country and we need to pay attention to that as well as the threats made by extremists against our own people. We're on the brink of civil war and it appears no one is doing anything about it.

I believe addressing the United States' internal issues should be #1 priority over everything else. But that doesn't mean we have to abandon people being slaughtered.

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Oct 9, 2023 20:07:57   #
American Vet
 
Mmt08 wrote:
Watch much right wing news lately?

Militarily Russia would be a better ally than Ukraine but Russia is killing innocent civilians which is counter to democracy and basic human decency. If we left Ukraine to die at the hands of Russia we would be as guilty as those doing the killing.
To look the other way would be a failure as a human being.


So what should we do about the millions in other countries that are being killed, tortured. Held prisoner in inhuman conditions?

Are we failing as humans?

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Oct 9, 2023 20:26:42   #
Mmt08
 
I didn't even know there were millions of other countries on the planet.
But we should do what we can. Doing nothing is unacceptable.

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Oct 9, 2023 21:10:47   #
American Vet
 
[quote=Mmt08]

I didn't even know there were millions of other countries on the planet.
Sorry you didn’t do well in junior high English class.

But we should do what we can. Doing nothing is unacceptable.
Do you think we could help more people if we had a stable and prosperous economy and weren’t shackled with a horrible national debt?

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Oct 9, 2023 21:28:54   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
[quote=American Vet]
Mmt08 wrote:


I didn't even know there were millions of other countries on the planet.
Sorry you didn’t do well in junior high English class.

But we should do what we can. Doing nothing is unacceptable.
Do you think we could help more people if we had a stable and prosperous economy and weren’t shackled with a horrible national debt?


Well done

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