The Gun Problem. 9/3/23 (Page 3): What percentage of homicides involve use of an AR?

JR-57 Loc: South Carolina

Milosia2 wrote:

This is the same fear mongering we’ve always heard .
Nobody wants to take your weapons.
They problem is AR15s on the streets, making them less than safe.
Kids being shot by stray bullets , why ?
No why is this ok for some.it’s my 2ndAmendment ,
If you die you die.
Collateral damage from 2ndA ers.

What percentage of homicides involve use of an AR?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

F.D.R. wrote:

It's NOT a gun problem, it's a people problem. A loaded and cocked firearm could sit on a table for 50 years without harming anyone, until some idiot picks it up.

I find it bewildering that this seems to be posted in every debate about gun regulation..

Of course no gun is self activating.. did you ever find anyone who said so??

how many ways can it be said,, the concern is not and never was that a gun would leap up and shoot the people in the mall..

But I suppose I should add that I know,, in fact a relative of mine knocked over a gun leaning on a car fender during a hunting grouse day and it went off and hit a buddy in the foot.. hurt a lot, but the fact he could only find steel soled work boot that day save a much worse injury. they are good buddies to this day..

coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp

permafrost wrote:

almost yes, but with the "watch every word&qu... (show quote)

Did you know that Ar-15s aren't legal for hunting big game because of the small caliber that tends to wound rather than kill?

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Jim0001 wrote:

Blame the finger, not the trigger is the democrat mantra. It's not about guns, rather it is about control.

It’s an access problem.
It is about guns.
Try as you might to blame fingers , triggers , the man in the moon .
If there is no access to these deadly weapons ,
Less people will be killed by these weapons.
More weapons , more deaths.
Less weapons
Less deaths.
Simple logic.
These guns in the hands of halfwits is a deadly combination.

coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp

pescado rojo wrote:

You just are not that bright, are you? You actually think that a rifle's appearance has something to do with it's performance. It does not.
Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of. Refusing to have it corrected is. I am here to save you a little embarrassment. I'll send a bill later.
First, you say "people want these guns off the streets." That must be why well over 20 million of them have been sold.
I know this is hard for you, but there is an actual law enforcement source you can reference if you doubt what I'm saying. It's called the FBI. Everything I am telling you is in their official publications. (Links to follow).
https://www.usa.gov/crime-statistics
You will note my cites have .gov after them.
Scary looking rifles are used in less than 2% of the murders every year. This is not my opinion, this is fact taken from official FBI publications you can check for yourself.
Knives, clubs and bare hands account for more murders every year for the past twenty years than your scary looking rifles. Every. Year. Once more I provided the FBI stats above.
You cannot just "take the guns off the streets." This has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment, but with Article I Sections 9 & 10 of the US Constitution, which forbids either State or Federal government from making ex post facto law. You probably don't know what that is. It means you cannot make something illegal retroactively, nor can you penalize someone for doing something that was legal when they did it.
The Clintoon gun ban absolutely exempted previously purchased firearms, magazines, etc.
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript
Thompson machine guns are not prohibited, they are just heavily regulated.
When you say "silencer" you mean "suppressor." These do NOT make a firearm silent, except in the case of a small caliber weapon whose projectile is moving at a subsonic speed. Projectile speed, by the way, is not impacted by the presence of a suppressor. In heavily gun controlled Europe, in many areas, suppressors are required. They do not silence anything, they just make it less noisy in most cases.
It has never been illegal to cut off a shotgun barrel, as long as it is at least 18" long.
Firearms, except in a few states, could be transported all in one piece and usually loaded.
In the past 25 years, the US population has grown by over 60 million people. More than 100 million more firearms have found their way into private hands, more than 20 million of these are your scary looking rifles, and more than 20 million concealed carry permits have been issued. This doesn't count the 26 states who no longer require a permit to carry a concealed firearm.
The result is a murder rate that is about 30% lower than 25 years ago.
https://www.usa.gov/crime-statistics
These are facts, backed by US government statistics, not your less than knowledgeable opinions. You should hire someone to fact check for you since you seem unable to grasp the concept yourself.
Go ahead; try and prove me wrong. Provide some government or law enforcement statistics that contradict what said.
"Youz" have a nice day.
Oh, and by the way, you frequently use "youz." It's spelled "youse."

You just are not that bright, are you? You actuall... (show quote)

You are trying to make sense to the senseless. Yeah, I'm guilty of that, too.

JR-57 Loc: South Carolina

permafrost wrote:

I find it bewildering that this seems to be posted... (show quote)

It started with an irresponsible owner and your irresponsible relative. You also share part of the blame if you were there. You likely don’t realize the laws that were broken that day. More laws that weren’t enforced. More laws that didn’t prevent your friend to be shot. You were all irresponsible idiots that day.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I am long on record as not worrying about our guns being confiscated.. never going to happen.. Just something to make us worry..

but how about this..... we all know how much we enjoy paying tax on our cars, boats, toys of all sorts.. each and every year..

so what if your beloved reps joined to pass a yearly tax on your guns.. Now I own 9 of them so I would be truly PO..

do any of you think that could ever happen, how would you react if it did.?

I have to think it is more apt to happen than any form of confiscation I can think of.. aftr all , we pay each year to use are other stuff.. it seems not great leap to extend the taxation of everything to include our beloved firearms..

coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp

Truth!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

JR-57 wrote:

It started with an irresponsible owner and your irresponsible relative. You also share part of the blame if you were there. You likely don’t realize the laws that were broken that day. More laws that weren’t enforced. More laws that didn’t prevent your friend to be shot. You were all irresponsible idiots that day.

NO, I was not there.. in fact did not hear about for a couple of years and then second hand.. I do know what if any consequence were brought.. the relative owned most of the company which they both worked for so they made coverage for everything.. And you are correct, I do not know just what laws were violated that day.. as I was not on hand, I do not know the exact circumstances..

JR-57 Loc: South Carolina

permafrost wrote:

I am long on record as not worrying about our guns... (show quote)

Another tax? My firearms were all lost in a boating accident, never to be seen again.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

JR-57 wrote:

Another tax? My firearms were all lost in a boating accident, never to be seen again.

That does seem to be the strategy of choice... LOL

steve66613

permafrost wrote:

I am long on record as not worrying about our guns... (show quote)

If AR-15s “are on the streets”, it’s because the AR-15s are in some criminal’s hands…yes? So, if you take the CRIMINALS OFF THE STREETS, the AR-15s will be gone too….correct?

There, problem solved.

Jim0001 Loc: originally from Tennessee, now Virginia, USA

Milosia2 wrote:

It’s an access problem.
It is about guns.
Try as you might to blame fingers , triggers , the man in the moon .
If there is no access to these deadly weapons ,
Less people will be killed by these weapons.
More weapons , more deaths.
Less weapons
Less deaths.
Simple logic.
These guns in the hands of halfwits is a deadly combination.

I'm glad you don't have one then or know how to use it!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

steve66613 wrote:

If AR-15s “are on the streets”, it’s because the AR-15s are in some criminal’s hands…yes? So, if you take the CRIMINALS OFF THE STREETS, the AR-15s will be gone too….correct?

There, problem solved.

golly gee, if it were only so simple... but I like the strategy..

martsiva

Milosia2 wrote:

It’s an access problem.
It is about guns.
Try as you might to blame fingers , triggers , the man in the moon .
If there is no access to these deadly weapons ,
Less people will be killed by these weapons.
More weapons , more deaths.
Less weapons
Less deaths.
Simple logic.
These guns in the hands of halfwits is a deadly combination.

Really?? So you think that criminals who ALWAYS have guns are just going to hand them over?? Tell us your big plan to get those guns off the streets!! Your idea is simple alright - simple enough to get more Americans killed by these criminals!! And then you call others halfwits??