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Aug 23, 2023 09:41:15   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
liberalhunter wrote:
Yes....... a job would cure half of what ails you...shutting up will fix the other half.

Try a job........ loser.


A woodchipper will cure your misguided problems.

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Aug 23, 2023 09:51:31   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
.....It's a toxic mixture that has destroyed democracies before, and can do so again.


EXAMPLES PLEASE!!

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Aug 23, 2023 13:06:58   #
Carol Kelly
 
Milosia2 wrote:
https://click1.rawprint.com/xbgsbnckcmgtgbqqtphcctcqqptqkrjysmcghdnhvscgd_bcjfqbdzgypqzlclllqz.html?a=123456&b=15701&c=368095&d=1


I’m sure you meant to say Biden!

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Aug 23, 2023 13:48:24   #
PeterS
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Leading civil rights lawyer shows 20 ways Trump is copying Hitler
Leading civil rights lawyer shows 20 ways Trump is copying Hitler
PICKENS, SOUTH CAROLINA - JULY 1: Former President Donald Trump speaks to a crowd during a campaign event on July 1, 2023 in Pickens, South Carolina. The former president faces a growing list of primary challengers in the Republican Party. (Photo by Sean Rayford/Getty Images).
Steven RosenfeldAugust 22, 2023


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A new book by one of the nation's foremost civil liberties lawyers powerfully describes how America's constitutional checks and balances are being pushed to the brink by a president who is consciously following Adolf Hitler's extremist propaganda and policy template from the early 1930s--when the Nazis took power in Germany.

In When at Times the Mob Is Swayed: A Citizen's Guide to Defending Our Republic, Burt Neuborne mostly focuses on how America's constitutional foundation in 2019--an unrepresentative Congress, the Electoral College and a right-wing Supreme Court majority--is not positioned to withstand Trump's extreme polarization and GOP power grabs. However, its second chapter, "Why the Sudden Concern About Fixing the Brakes?," extensively details Trump's mimicry of Hitler's pre-war rhetoric and strategies.

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Neuborne doesn't make this comparison lightly. His 55-year career began by challenging the constitutionality of the Vietnam War in the 1960s. He became the ACLU's national legal director in the 1980s under Ronald Reagan. He was founding legal director of the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University Law School in the 1990s. He has been part of more than 200 Supreme Court cases and Holocaust reparation litigation.

"Why does an ignorant, narcissistic buffoon like Trump trigger such anxiety? Why do so many Americans feel it existentially (not just politically) important to resist our forty-fifth president?" he writes. "Partly it's just aesthetics. Trump is such a coarse and appalling man that it's hard to stomach his presence in Abraham Lincoln's house. But that's not enough to explain the intensity of my dread. LBJ was coarse. Gerald Ford and George W. Bush were dumb as rocks. Richard Nixon was an anti-Semite. Bill Clinton's mistreatment of women dishonored his office. Ronald Reagan was a dangerous ideologue. I opposed each of them when they appeared to exceed their constitutional powers. But I never felt a sense of existential dread. I never sensed that the very existence of a tolerant democracy was in play."


A younger Trump, according to his first wife's divorce filings, kept and studied a book translating and annotating Adolf Hitler's pre-World War II speeches in a locked bedside cabinet, Neuborne noted. The English edition of My New Order, published in 1941, also had analyses of the speeches' impact on his era's press and politics. "Ugly and appalling as they are, those speeches are masterpieces of demagogic manipulation," Neuborne says.

"Watching Trump work his crowds, though, I see a dangerously manipulative narcissist unleashing the demagogic spells that he learned from studying Hitler's speeches--spells that he cannot control and that are capable of eroding the fabric of American democracy," Neuborne says. "You see, we've seen what these rhetorical techniques can do. Much of Trump's rhetoric--as a candidate and in office--mirrors the strategies, even the language, used by Adolf Hitler in the early 1930s to erode German democracy."

Many Americans may seize or condemn Neuborne's analysis, which has more than 20 major points of comparison. The author repeatedly says his goal is not "equating" the men--as "it trivializes Hitler's obscene crimes to compare them to Trump's often pathetic foibles."

Indeed, the book has a larger frame: whether federal checks and balances--Congress, the Supreme Court, the Electoral College--can contain the havoc that Trump thrives on and the Republican Party at large has embraced. But the Trump-Hitler compilation is a stunning warning, because, as many Holocaust survivors have said, few Germans or Europeans expected what unfolded in the years after Hitler amassed power.

Here's how Neuborne introduces this section. Many recent presidents have been awful, "But then there was Donald Trump, the only president in recent American history to openly despise the twin ideals--individual dignity and fundamental equality--upon which the contemporary United States is built. When you confront the reality of a president like Trump, the state of both sets of brakes--internal [constitutional] and external [public resistance]--become hugely important because Donald Trump's political train runs on the most potent and dangerous fuel of all: a steady diet of fear, greed, loathing, lies, and envy. It's a toxic mixture that has destroyed democracies before, and can do so again.

"Give Trump credit," he continues. "He did his homework well and became the twenty-first-century master of divisive rhetoric. We're used to thinking of Hitler's Third Reich as the incomparably evil tyranny that it undoubtedly was. But Hitler didn't take power by force. He used a set of rhetorical tropes codified in Trump's bedside reading that persuaded enough Germans to welcome Hitler as a populist leader. The Nazis did not overthrow the Weimar Republic. It fell into their hands as the fruit of Hitler's satanic ability to mesmerize enough Germans to trade their birthright for a pottage of scapegoating, short-term economic gain, xenophobia, and racism. It could happen here."

20 Common Themes, Rhetorical Tactics and Dangerous Policies
Leading civil rights lawyer shows 20 ways Trump is... (show quote)


Fascists embrace Authoritarianism...so do Conservatives.
Fascists embrace Nationalism...so do Conservatives.
Fascists embrace Militarism...so do Conservatives.
Fascists embrace Corporatism...so do Conservatives.
Fascists embrace religion intermixed with government...so do Conservatives
Fascists label minorities as the enemy...so do Conservatives.
Fascists are against Socialism and Communism...so are Conservatives.
Fascists are against intellectualism and liberalism...so are Conservatives.
Fascists are against Democracy and so are Conservatives.

In fact, when you read about fascism there is literally nothing in it that conservatives disagree with...yet they will scream that it is Liberal because Hitler used "Socialism" in the name of his party. What they neglect to understand is that that was simply propaganda because Socialism was popular at the time not because he intended to integrate it into his political theme. And when you look at Hitler's Fascism in practice he both deported Socialists and Communists or sent them to labor camps where they were worked to death.

And the problem with all of this is that conservatives don't understand that Fascism is the worst part of their ideology so don't know how to avoid it. With liberals, we understand that Communism is the giant wart in our ideology so we've used Social Democracy successfully since the 1930's.

SNIP>>>Many fascist ideas derived from the reactionary backlash to the progressive revolutions of 1789, 1830, 1848, and 1871 and to the secular liberalism and social radicalism that accompanied these upheavals. De Maistre condemned the 18th-century Enlightenment for having subverted the dominance of traditional religion and traditional elites and paid homage to the public executioner as the protector of a divinely sanctioned social hierarchy. Taine lamented the rise to power of the masses, whom he suggested were at a lower stage of biological evolution than aristocrats. Le Bon wrote a primer on how to divert the barbarism of the masses from revolution to reaction. Barrès fused ethnic rootedness with authoritarian nationalism and contended that too much civilization led to decadence and that hatred and violence were energizing remedies.

In short, Fascism was formed as a backlash to progressivism which is why when it rears its ugly head it's as a backlash to progressivism as we see now...

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Aug 23, 2023 14:33:27   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
proud republican wrote:
Take your article and shove it where the sun doesn't shine, Milo!..


Too many Facts ?
Or
Too much Truth ?

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Aug 23, 2023 14:35:04   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Too many Facts ?
Or
Too much Truth ?


Neither!...

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Aug 23, 2023 14:48:20   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
liberalhunter wrote:
Yes....... a job would cure half of what ails you...shutting up will fix the other half.

Try a job........ loser.
What sort of job could someone that stupid do?

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Aug 23, 2023 15:02:13   #
WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX
 
Milosia2 wrote:
https://click1.rawprint.com/xbgsbnckcmgtgbqqtphcctcqqptqkrjysmcghdnhvscgd_bcjfqbdzgypqzlclllqz.html?a=123456&b=15701&c=368095&d=1


yeah... Trump is Hitler and you are not an imbecile. Oh wait, got that backwards.

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Aug 23, 2023 15:33:37   #
PeterS
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
.....It's a toxic mixture that has destroyed democracies before, and can do so again.


EXAMPLES PLEASE!!

Take a poll of Conservatives and ask whether they love or hate Democracies. BTW, Fascists hated Democracies too...

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Aug 23, 2023 15:35:16   #
PeterS
 
proud republican wrote:
Neither!...

Read my post and then ask yourself if it is True or False!

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Aug 23, 2023 15:35:44   #
Radiance3
 
Milosia2 wrote:
https://click1.rawprint.com/xbgsbnckcmgtgbqqtphcctcqqptqkrjysmcghdnhvscgd_bcjfqbdzgypqzlclllqz.html?a=123456&b=15701&c=368095&d=1


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Not credible, not reliable post. RAW STORY IS A WEAPON OF JOE BIDEN.

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Aug 23, 2023 15:36:34   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Fascists embrace Authoritarianism...so do Conservatives.
Fascists embrace Nationalism...so do Conservatives.
Fascists embrace Militarism...so do Conservatives.
Fascists embrace Corporatism...so do Conservatives.
Fascists embrace religion intermixed with government...so do Conservatives
Fascists label minorities as the enemy...so do Conservatives.
Fascists are against Socialism and Communism...so are Conservatives.
Fascists are against intellectualism and liberalism...so are Conservatives.
Fascists are against Democracy and so are Conservatives.

In fact, when you read about fascism there is literally nothing in it that conservatives disagree with...yet they will scream that it is Liberal because Hitler used "Socialism" in the name of his party. What they neglect to understand is that that was simply propaganda because Socialism was popular at the time not because he intended to integrate it into his political theme. And when you look at Hitler's Fascism in practice he both deported Socialists and Communists or sent them to labor camps where they were worked to death.

And the problem with all of this is that conservatives don't understand that Fascism is the worst part of their ideology so don't know how to avoid it. With liberals, we understand that Communism is the giant wart in our ideology so we've used Social Democracy successfully since the 1930's.

SNIP>>>Many fascist ideas derived from the reactionary backlash to the progressive revolutions of 1789, 1830, 1848, and 1871 and to the secular liberalism and social radicalism that accompanied these upheavals. De Maistre condemned the 18th-century Enlightenment for having subverted the dominance of traditional religion and traditional elites and paid homage to the public executioner as the protector of a divinely sanctioned social hierarchy. Taine lamented the rise to power of the masses, whom he suggested were at a lower stage of biological evolution than aristocrats. Le Bon wrote a primer on how to divert the barbarism of the masses from revolution to reaction. Barrès fused ethnic rootedness with authoritarian nationalism and contended that too much civilization led to decadence and that hatred and violence were energizing remedies.

In short, Fascism was formed as a backlash to progressivism which is why when it rears its ugly head it's as a backlash to progressivism as we see now...
Fascists embrace Authoritarianism...so do Conserva... (show quote)
In short, Peter, you need to catch up to the 21st century, you're stuck in the political philosophies as they were in the 1930s and 40s. All of them came under a powerful philosophical influence in the 1960s and 70s. This philosophy infiltrated into the political ideologies and put a new face on them, but it was particularly attractive to progressives and socialists, and it has served them quite well, as evidenced in your attack on conservatives.



Let's have a look at the differences between the governing philosophy of Karl Marx,
the godfather of the postmodern progressive democrat party,
and that of the authors of our two founding documents:
Madison and Jefferson the Fathers of our nation.


"Communism begins where atheism begins."
Karl Marx

"My object in life is to dethrone God and destroy capitalism."
Karl Marx

"Keep people from their history, and they are easily controlled."
Karl Marx

"The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care,
shall be in state institutions."
Karl Marx

"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you.
When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror."
Karl Marx

"A heavy or progressive or graduated income tax is necessary for the proper development of Communism."
Karl Mar

"The last capitalist we hang will be the one who sold us the rope."
Karl Marx

" In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence:
Abolition of private property."
Karl Marx



James Madison, Property

29 Mar. 1792 Papers 14:266--68

This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.

In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.

He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.

He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.

He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.

In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.

Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.

Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho' from an opposite cause.

Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.

According to this standard of merit, the praise of affording a just securing to property, should be sparingly bestowed on a government which, however scrupulously guarding the possessions of individuals, does not protect them in the enjoyment and communication of their opinions, in which they have an equal, and in the estimation of some, a more valuable property.

More sparingly should this praise be allowed to a government, where a man's religious rights are violated by penalties, or fettered by tests, or taxed by a hierarchy. Conscience is the most sacred of all property; other property depending in part on positive law, the exercise of that, being a natural and unalienable right. To guard a man's house as his castle, to pay public and enforce private debts with the most exact faith, can give no title to invade a man's conscience which is more sacred than his castle, or to withhold from it that debt of protection, for which the public faith is pledged, by the very nature and original conditions of the social pact.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has in his personal safety and personal liberty, is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest. A magistrate issuing his warrants to a press gang, would be in his proper functions in Turkey or Indostan, under appellations proverbial of the most compleat despotism.

That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called. What must be the spirit of legislation where a manufacturer of linen cloth is forbidden to bury his own child in a linen shroud, in order to favour his neighbour who manufactures woolen cloth; where the manufacturer and wearer of woolen cloth are again forbidden the oeconomical use of buttons of that material, in favor of the manufacturer of buttons of other materials!

A just security to property is not afforded by that government, under which unequal taxes oppress one species of property and reward another species: where arbitrary taxes invade the domestic sanctuaries of the rich, and excessive taxes grind the faces of the poor; where the keenness and competitions of want are deemed an insufficient spur to labor, and taxes are again applied, by an unfeeling policy, as another spur; in violation of that sacred property, which Heaven, in decreeing man to earn his bread by the sweat of his brow, kindly reserved to him, in the small repose that could be spared from the supply of his necessities.

If there be a government then which prides itself in maintaining the inviolability of property; which provides that none shall be taken directly even for public use without indemnification to the owner, and yet directly violates the property which individuals have in their opinions, their religion, their persons, and their faculties; nay more, which indirectly violates their property, in their actual possessions, in the labor that acquires their daily subsistence, and in the hallowed remnant of time which ought to relieve their fatigues and soothe their cares, the influence [inference?] will have been anticipated, that such a government is not a pattern for the United States.

If the United States mean to obtain or deserve the full praise due to wise and just governments, they will equally respect the rights of property, and the property in rights: they will rival the government that most sacredly guards the former; and by repelling its example in violating the latter, will make themselves a pattern to that and all other governments.




Article IV, Section 4, US Constitution:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,
and shall protect each of them against Invasion;
and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive
(when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.



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Aug 23, 2023 16:18:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Take a poll of Conservatives and ask whether they love or hate Democracies. BTW, Fascists hated Democracies too...
So did our founders and other great thinkers.

“It has been observed by an honorable gentleman, that a pure democracy, if it were practicable, would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved, that no position in politics is more false than this. The ancient democracies, in which the people themselves deliberated, never possessed one feature of good government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.”
Alexander Hamilton, Speech to Congress, June 21, 1788

“The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered, perhaps, as deeply, as finally staked on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.”
George Washington, First Inaugural Address, April 30, 1789

From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.
James Madison, Federalist #10


"You can never have a revolution in order to establish a democracy.
You must have a democracy in order to have a revolution."
Gilbert K. Chesterton

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
Winston Churchill

On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. H. L. Mencken
On some great and glorious day the plain folks of ...

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Aug 23, 2023 18:32:58   #
martsiva
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Unable to see what’s right in front of you makes you look deaf , dumb and blind.
Are you a Nazi , now ?
Look behind you , are they all Nazis behind you ?
When the shoe fits , it isn’t a miscall.
Anti Americanism , is not ,
Patriotism !!!


Biden is the most anti-American president in the history of this nation!! The damage this bozo has caused is right in front of YOU and your support of all this damage that makes you deaf, blind and dumb!! Nazi again?? Trump didn`t use the FBI to intimidate people like Hitler did with his brown shirts - but Biden sure did!! Look behind you - are they all socialist communists like you?? When the shoe fits, it isn`t a miscall!!

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Aug 23, 2023 18:35:09   #
martsiva
 
Milosia2 wrote:
You’re not my mother.
She died years ago.
I’ve worked hard
All my life
And,
My price was never right.
Still selling free speech eradications?


Speech eradications? You mean like the Democrat support for censorship?? Those speech eradications??

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