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Aug 14, 2023 10:26:56   #
pegw
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
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Your only problem with this is that Putin invaded Crimea during his administration.

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Aug 14, 2023 10:37:13   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
pegw wrote:
Your only problem with this is that Putin invaded Crimea during his administration.


Under Obama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

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Aug 14, 2023 12:21:50   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
pegw wrote:
Your only problem with this is that Putin invaded Crimea during his administration.


You don't see a pattern here?

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Aug 14, 2023 13:18:03   #
WEBCO
 
pegw wrote:
Your only problem with this is that Putin invaded Crimea during his administration.


You think the only problem with the Obama administration was that Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula during his administration?

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Aug 14, 2023 16:37:24   #
Jim0001 Loc: originally from Tennessee, now Virginia, USA
 
Kevyn wrote:
It’s time for the West to prepare for the growing possibility of Russian defeat in Ukraine, says Daniel Hannan – and for the violently chaotic unravelling of the federal Russian state that could follow.

It might not happen. Perhaps Ukraine’s counter-offensive will fail, or the conflict will end in stalemate. But if Ukrainian troops can break through, reach the Azov Sea and cut Russia’s land corridor to Crimea, the “large Russian garrison there would be kettled, and Ukraine would, to all intents and purposes, have won the war”. Putin and his associates would be finished, and the consequences could be messy. The West must be ready – and, crucially, it should not attempt to stand in the way of Russia’s disintegration.
In 1917, Russian morale at the front collapsed suddenly, and for a time the Russian Empire fragmented into “a series of squabbling successor states”. If something similar happens today, there’s no reason to assume that Russia’s various military units – state, private and territorial militias – would all recognise the same command. Nor that all the republics would recognise Vladimir Putin’s successor as “tsar”.
In such a situation, attempts by the West to shore up the status quo would be folly. Already, there are independence movements in Buryatia, Sakha, Dagestan, Chechnya, Kamchatka Krai, Komi, Novosibirsk, Archangel, and Tatarstan. Across the Russian Federation, local elites are “preparing for a clean excision, a chance to join the comity of nations as (in many cases) resource-rich republics”.
The West doesn’t have the power to forestall these secessionist movements. “All we can do is determine whether they start out as our friends” – and work out what we want as the price of recognising new states, from democratisation to denuclearisation.
What of the rump Russian state? It would “need to rethink its identity, rather as Austria and West Germany did after 1945” – a good thing for both Russia and the world. Russia’s great problem is that its national identity is so intimately bound up with expansionism and empire. The reality of defeat and partition might force a smaller Russian successor state, “freed from its imperial burdens”, to think differently. It could learn to define itself not as the successor to Ivan the Terrible and Stalin, but as a modern, democratising, state – rather as Turkey did when it shed the Ottoman Empire. Russia’s dissolution would be “much more of an opportunity than a danger” and “we should not stand in the way” of it happening.
It’s time for the West to prepare for the growing ... (show quote)


Drink some more Vodka, Kevyn

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Aug 14, 2023 17:40:48   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***How should we prepare for the collapse of Russia?
>>>Russia is winning. I'm more worried about whether we prepare for the collapse of America under the democrats.

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Stop buying the lies .Russia is almost over with .

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Aug 14, 2023 18:37:17   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Stop buying the lies .Russia is almost over with .


I won't buy that lie

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Aug 14, 2023 18:54:37   #
Big dog
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Stop buying the lies .Russia is almost over with .


Does that include all of Siberia?

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Aug 14, 2023 20:18:52   #
BIRDMAN
 
pegw wrote:
I remember when th USSR fell. I was on my way to Australia and we were cheaking the news every stop we made. I remember when we got to Sydney, there was a warship anchored at the mount of the harbor. The transition was undramatic. When we got to Sydney it was all over. I don't know how the fall of Putin will go. I believe that by next summer there will be unrest in Russia. The Ukaraians are gaing back their territories, but this summer it has been slow. However, the Ukaraians are killing a lot of Russians. A kit more than the Ukaraians are loosing. This war is going to be very unpopular very soon. Putin has made sure there isn't a group that opposes him. So we don't know what his fall will look like.
I remember when th USSR fell. I was on my way to A... (show quote)

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Aug 15, 2023 00:12:45   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
Kevyn wrote:
It’s time for the West to prepare for the growing possibility of Russian defeat in Ukraine, says Daniel Hannan – and for the violently chaotic unravelling of the federal Russian state that could follow.

It might not happen. Perhaps Ukraine’s counter-offensive will fail, or the conflict will end in stalemate. But if Ukrainian troops can break through, reach the Azov Sea and cut Russia’s land corridor to Crimea, the “large Russian garrison there would be kettled, and Ukraine would, to all intents and purposes, have won the war”. Putin and his associates would be finished, and the consequences could be messy. The West must be ready – and, crucially, it should not attempt to stand in the way of Russia’s disintegration.
In 1917, Russian morale at the front collapsed suddenly, and for a time the Russian Empire fragmented into “a series of squabbling successor states”. If something similar happens today, there’s no reason to assume that Russia’s various military units – state, private and territorial militias – would all recognise the same command. Nor that all the republics would recognise Vladimir Putin’s successor as “tsar”.
In such a situation, attempts by the West to shore up the status quo would be folly. Already, there are independence movements in Buryatia, Sakha, Dagestan, Chechnya, Kamchatka Krai, Komi, Novosibirsk, Archangel, and Tatarstan. Across the Russian Federation, local elites are “preparing for a clean excision, a chance to join the comity of nations as (in many cases) resource-rich republics”.
The West doesn’t have the power to forestall these secessionist movements. “All we can do is determine whether they start out as our friends” – and work out what we want as the price of recognising new states, from democratisation to denuclearisation.
What of the rump Russian state? It would “need to rethink its identity, rather as Austria and West Germany did after 1945” – a good thing for both Russia and the world. Russia’s great problem is that its national identity is so intimately bound up with expansionism and empire. The reality of defeat and partition might force a smaller Russian successor state, “freed from its imperial burdens”, to think differently. It could learn to define itself not as the successor to Ivan the Terrible and Stalin, but as a modern, democratising, state – rather as Turkey did when it shed the Ottoman Empire. Russia’s dissolution would be “much more of an opportunity than a danger” and “we should not stand in the way” of it happening.
It’s time for the West to prepare for the growing ... (show quote)
Just watched Tucker Carlson's interview with Robert Kennedy Jr, and he has a VERY different take on the war in Ukraine, including how and why it started, and the role the US (and also Great Britain and NATO in general) has played. The only reason Velensky's Ukraine isn't a footnote in history is the massive dump of cash and weapons the US and NATO have poured into the fray. Without that, the conflict would have been over long ago and the carnage would have been minimal.

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Aug 15, 2023 06:34:40   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Just watched Tucker Carlson's interview with Robert Kennedy Jr, and he has a VERY different take on the war in Ukraine, including how and why it started, and the role the US (and also Great Britain and NATO in general) has played. The only reason Velensky's Ukraine isn't a footnote in history is the massive dump of cash and weapons the US and NATO have poured into the fray. Without that, the conflict would have been over long ago and the carnage would have been minimal.

Someone needs to support the military complex and feed the war machine.

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Aug 15, 2023 06:42:32   #
Big dog
 
JR-57 wrote:
Someone needs to support the military complex and feed the war machine.


That’s exactly what this war is about!

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Aug 15, 2023 06:52:39   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Big dog wrote:
That’s exactly what this war is about!

It’s exactly what most wars are about. No one has been able to explain how this war is beneficial to our national interests. We’re doomed as a nation if we don’t immediately adopt a USA first attitude and begin to clean up our own mess before we go out to “save the world”. That goes for all aspects of our society; industry, education, crime, healthcare, infrastructure, etc.

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Aug 15, 2023 07:24:29   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Yes but Biden and the Democrats say we need to help all those third countries with trillions because our policies have led to climate change. According to the idiot Democrats it’s our industry that has caused these countries to be the crap holes they’ve always been and giving billions will solve their problems. Every mud and grass hut needs a solar panel I guess.

JR-57 wrote:
It’s exactly what most wars are about. No one has been able to explain how this war is beneficial to our national interests. We’re doomed as a nation if we don’t immediately adopt a USA first attitude and begin to clean up our own mess before we go out to “save the world”. That goes for all aspects of our society; industry, education, crime, healthcare, infrastructure, etc.

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Aug 15, 2023 07:32:48   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***How should we prepare for the collapse of Russia?
>>>Russia is winning. I'm more worried about whether we prepare for the collapse of America under the democrats.

Troll Alert


Apparently their economy isnt

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