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Jul 24, 2014 20:12:19   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Tasine wrote:
I don't know about you, but I am getting really, really tired of all the BS the left expels. They never shut up and they never learn. They never see anything for what it actually is, and I am beginning to think that the collapse is well over-due. When our government collapses - and it will the minute there isn't yet another dime to grab - will be our chance to escape and enjoy some freedom.


America is bigger than Obama and his funny little minions. They simply haven't figured that out yet. What's important is that we tell them, loudly...and often...

Obviously I do not feel compelled to be polite about it and I won't be. These people remind me of those cave dwelling fish that neither hear nor see. Why would I lay on my belly to talk to it?

We are already seeing the signs of getting back to being America. If that takes a minor collapse, so be it. We have been there before and come back.

They can go with Hope and Change; I'm going with Don't Tread On Me!

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Jul 24, 2014 20:18:26   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Tasine wrote:
I don't know about you, but I am getting really, really tired of all the BS the left expels. They never shut up and they never learn. They never see anything for what it actually is, and I am beginning to think that the collapse is well over-due. When our government collapses - and it will the minute there isn't yet another dime to grab - will be our chance to escape and enjoy some freedom.


The reason they are tautological is because their handlers haven't given them new talking points.

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Jul 24, 2014 21:11:35   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
Nickolai wrote:
The United states one of the nations that releases the highest amounts of Co2 into the atmosphere also has the highest rates of denial among industrial countries


It all depends from what perspective you look at it. All provide valid points. Top 10 nations in Co2 emissions by:

Population density
Russia
United States
Canada
Australia
China
Kazakhstan
Saudi Arabia
Brazil
Libya
Iran

Population
Qatar
United Arab Emirates
Trinidad and Tobago
Kuwait
Bahrain
Brunei
Luxembourg
Oman
Australia
United States

Land area
Bahrain
Singapore
Trinidad and Tobago
Malta
Qatar
South Korea
Kuwait
Netherlands
Luxembourg
Nauru

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Jul 25, 2014 07:33:59   #
GEM lucas Loc: TRIADELPHIA ,WV
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Climate Change Summit Calls for End of Capitalism
July 24, 2014 by Bob Allen
Refreshing honesty! Alleged Climate Change is not primarily about science, or facts, or temperatures—it’s about ending capitalism, and installing global socialism that will plunder productive nations to provide graft to socialist hell holes which have devastated both their national economies, and their environments.

Thus, the Responding to Climate Change website reported, “Venezuela climate summit calls for end to ‘green economy’—UN-backed event ends with unusual call from civil society groups to end capitalism.”

A UN-backed conference in Venezuela has ended with a declaration to scrap carbon markets and reject the green economy.

The Margarita Declaration was issued at the end of a four-day meeting of around 130 green activist groups, which the Venezuelan government hosted in order to raise the volume of civil society demands in UN discussions on climate change.

“The structural causes of climate change are linked to the current capitalist hegemonic system,” the final declaration said. “To combat climate change it is necessary to change the system.”

The declaration will be handed to environment ministers when they meet ahead of the UN’s main round of talks in Lima this year.

The meeting, called the Social Pre-COP, is the first time that civil society has been invited to participate with the UN at this scale at international climate talks.

Groups who participated in the meeting include WWF, CAN International, Third World Network and Christian Aid.

Venezuela said the purpose of the meeting is to “set the basis of an alliance between peoples and governments”.

While it is unclear who signed the declaration, it contrasts with the views of many national governments, which see the transition to a green economy as underpinning efforts to tackle climate change.

Here is the real animating force behind much of the “Green” movement–it’s about the green of cold, hard cash, not supposed man-caused heat on grass and trees.
Climate Change Summit Calls for End of Capitalism ... (show quote)


I'm with the the people of Venezuela. . I know the climate change BS ,has killed our Industry here in the USA. And the EPA is out of control .''Gem''

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Jul 25, 2014 08:02:36   #
Augustus Greatorex Loc: NE
 
Glaucon wrote:
Police, firemen, and money can be considered a forms of socialism as can public highways, water purification and libraries.


Precisely. You claimed that "Communism and Capitalism have been tried and failed," but now you recant and claim "Communism and Socialism have been tried and failed."

Can't you stick with one position?

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Jul 25, 2014 09:01:11   #
Glaucon
 
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Precisely. You claimed that "Communism and Capitalism have been tried and failed," but now you recant and claim "Communism and Socialism have been tried and failed."

Can't you stick with one position?
I think I have confused you. Pure communism, socialism, Marxism and capitalism have never worked In their PURE form and the societies that have used the workable parts from them have been reasonably successful. I think you want to misunderstand me and you gave it a good try.

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Jul 25, 2014 09:10:45   #
Viet Nam Vet 67-68
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Climate Change Summit Calls for End of Capitalism
July 24, 2014 by Bob Allen
Refreshing honesty! Alleged Climate Change is not primarily about science, or facts, or temperatures—it’s about ending capitalism, and installing global socialism that will plunder productive nations to provide graft to socialist hell holes which have devastated both their national economies, and their environments.

Thus, the Responding to Climate Change website reported, “Venezuela climate summit calls for end to ‘green economy’—UN-backed event ends with unusual call from civil society groups to end capitalism.”

A UN-backed conference in Venezuela has ended with a declaration to scrap carbon markets and reject the green economy.

The Margarita Declaration was issued at the end of a four-day meeting of around 130 green activist groups, which the Venezuelan government hosted in order to raise the volume of civil society demands in UN discussions on climate change.

“The structural causes of climate change are linked to the current capitalist hegemonic system,” the final declaration said. “To combat climate change it is necessary to change the system.”

The declaration will be handed to environment ministers when they meet ahead of the UN’s main round of talks in Lima this year.

The meeting, called the Social Pre-COP, is the first time that civil society has been invited to participate with the UN at this scale at international climate talks.

Groups who participated in the meeting include WWF, CAN International, Third World Network and Christian Aid.

Venezuela said the purpose of the meeting is to “set the basis of an alliance between peoples and governments”.

While it is unclear who signed the declaration, it contrasts with the views of many national governments, which see the transition to a green economy as underpinning efforts to tackle climate change.

Here is the real animating force behind much of the “Green” movement–it’s about the green of cold, hard cash, not supposed man-caused heat on grass and trees.
Climate Change Summit Calls for End of Capitalism ... (show quote)


Jetboy don't forget who said "Capitalism Doesn't Work" Obamination and every move he has made is to destroy the middle class in this Country and begin Marxism and Sharia Law from his Muslim Religion (CULT) and drive us into a 3rd world Country. Just look at the Millions who are crossing our Borders every year since he became President. We already have 40 MIllion ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THIS COUNTRY, WOW, WHAT A VOTING BLOCK FOR THE NEW MARXIST PARTY !!!!!!

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Jul 25, 2014 09:22:29   #
Viet Nam Vet 67-68
 
CDM wrote:
America is bigger than Obama and his funny little minions. They simply haven't figured that out yet. What's important is that we tell them, loudly...and often...

Obviously I do not feel compelled to be polite about it and I won't be. These people remind me of those cave dwelling fish that neither hear nor see. Why would I lay on my belly to talk to it?

We are already seeing the signs of getting back to being America. If that takes a minor collapse, so be it. We have been there before and come back.

They can go with Hope and Change; I'm going with Don't Tread On Me!
America is bigger than Obama and his funny little ... (show quote)


This is not a small flop this is enormous and will take 20 or more years of hardship to overcome, this New Marxist Party have rewritten our Laws and buried us in Massive Debt, taken away our basic rights and if we don't put Tea Party Conservative's in the Congress to make Government smaller and stop this Massive spending and reduce Taxes and get the old worn out Traitors out of both Parties we will never recover. We also have to remove the 40 Million plus Disease ridden Ignorant ILLEGAL ALIENS who have murdered over 20,000 Americans since 9/11 and have indirectly murdered over 130,000 Americans with the Diseases they have brought with them. If you want to see how bad this New Marxist Party has done to America just go to "usdebtclock.org" and look at the real figures on unemployment and our National Debt and the massive Interest payments for this debt. Remember one thing at 1% interest on our debt the interest payment is more than Medicare costs or our entire Military budget and if interest rates go higher like 5% we will be bankrupt and we will be paying over a Trillion and half dollars just to pay the interest.

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Jul 25, 2014 09:22:34   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Viet Nam Vet 67-68 wrote:
Jetboy don't forget who said "Capitalism Doesn't Work" Obamination and every move he has made is to destroy the middle class in this Country and begin Marxism and Sharia Law from his Muslim Religion (CULT) and drive us into a 3rd world Country. Just look at the Millions who are crossing our Borders every year since he became President. We already have 40 MIllion ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THIS COUNTRY, WOW, WHAT A VOTING BLOCK FOR THE NEW MARXIST PARTY !!!!!!

I sure do hope Obama doesn't expect us to shout "Heil, Obama", and IF he does, I really, really hope he is deeply hurt when we refuse.

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Jul 25, 2014 09:24:59   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
Viet Nam Vet 67-68 wrote:
This is not a small flop this is enormous and will take 20 or more years of hardship to overcome, this New Marxist Party have rewritten our Laws and buried us in Massive Debt, taken away our basic rights and if we don't put Tea Party Conservative's in the Congress to make Government smaller and stop this Massive spending and reduce Taxes and get the old worn out Traitors out of both Parties we will never recover. We also have to remove the 40 Million plus Disease ridden Ignorant ILLEGAL ALIENS who have murdered over 20,000 Americans since 9/11 and have indirectly murdered over 130,000 Americans with the Diseases they have brought with them. If you want to see how bad this New Marxist Party has done to America just go to "usdebtclock.org" and look at the real figures on unemployment and our National Debt and the massive Interest payments for this debt. Remember one thing at 1% interest on our debt the interest payment is more than Medicare costs or our entire Military budget and if interest rates go higher like 5% we will be bankrupt and we will be paying over a Trillion and half dollars just to pay the interest.
This is not a small flop this is enormous and will... (show quote)




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Jul 25, 2014 09:41:18   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Viet Nam Vet 67-68 wrote:
This is not a small flop this is enormous and will take 20 or more years of hardship to overcome, this New Marxist Party have rewritten our Laws and buried us in Massive Debt, taken away our basic rights and if we don't put Tea Party Conservative's in the Congress to make Government smaller and stop this Massive spending and reduce Taxes and get the old worn out Traitors out of both Parties we will never recover. We also have to remove the 40 Million plus Disease ridden Ignorant ILLEGAL ALIENS who have murdered over 20,000 Americans since 9/11 and have indirectly murdered over 130,000 Americans with the Diseases they have brought with them. If you want to see how bad this New Marxist Party has done to America just go to "usdebtclock.org" and look at the real figures on unemployment and our National Debt and the massive Interest payments for this debt. Remember one thing at 1% interest on our debt the interest payment is more than Medicare costs or our entire Military budget and if interest rates go higher like 5% we will be bankrupt and we will be paying over a Trillion and half dollars just to pay the interest.
This is not a small flop this is enormous and will... (show quote)

IF we get a chance to overcome the 8 year assault on us, we may be able to shrink the government (who wants to work for free?), but we won't make a full recovery for decades. Every fabric that made up America has been ripped and torn to threads by these fools in government who belong in mental hospitals.......or federal prisons.

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Jul 25, 2014 09:50:01   #
CDM Loc: Florida
 
Viet Nam Vet 67-68 wrote:
This is not a small flop this is enormous and will take 20 or more years of hardship to overcome, this New Marxist Party have rewritten our Laws and buried us in Massive Debt, taken away our basic rights and if we don't put Tea Party Conservative's in the Congress to make Government smaller and stop this Massive spending and reduce Taxes and get the old worn out Traitors out of both Parties we will never recover. We also have to remove the 40 Million plus Disease ridden Ignorant ILLEGAL ALIENS who have murdered over 20,000 Americans since 9/11 and have indirectly murdered over 130,000 Americans with the Diseases they have brought with them. If you want to see how bad this New Marxist Party has done to America just go to "usdebtclock.org" and look at the real figures on unemployment and our National Debt and the massive Interest payments for this debt. Remember one thing at 1% interest on our debt the interest payment is more than Medicare costs or our entire Military budget and if interest rates go higher like 5% we will be bankrupt and we will be paying over a Trillion and half dollars just to pay the interest.
This is not a small flop this is enormous and will... (show quote)


No argument...I'm with you all the way.

I'm saying we can do it. We have been damaged, not destroyed. We can bring it back. I will never give up on that.

We have to stop putting fascist/communist/progressives or whatever they are in positions of power. And we need to slap them down at every opportunity as we do here on OPP. Keep drawing attention to their destructive nature...where there's smoke the fire will surely follow...

People who thought they would flourish under Obama are suffering as they never have under any president...they are talking about it. They are pissed off. And we need to convince them that it will only be worse under a Hilary or a Warren or whatever fascist might pretend to run the country. They will vote against progressivism; we just need to encourage them to vote.

In the infamous words of Vice President Dan Quail "the future will be brighter tomorrow." :-P

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Jul 25, 2014 10:21:41   #
Viet Nam Vet 67-68
 
Tasine wrote:
IF we get a chance to overcome the 8 year assault on us, we may be able to shrink the government (who wants to work for free?), but we won't make a full recovery for decades. Every fabric that made up America has been ripped and torn to threads by these fools in government who belong in mental hospitals.......or federal prisons.

Hung from the nearest lamp post down Pennsylvania Ave

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Jul 25, 2014 10:27:28   #
Viet Nam Vet 67-68
 
mwdegutis wrote:
It all depends from what perspective you look at it. All provide valid points. Top 10 nations in Co2 emissions by:

Population density
Russia
United States
Canada
Australia
China
Kazakhstan
Saudi Arabia
Brazil
Libya
Iran

Population
Qatar
United Arab Emirates
Trinidad and Tobago
Kuwait
Bahrain
Brunei
Luxembourg
Oman
Australia
United States

Land area
Bahrain
Singapore
Trinidad and Tobago
Malta
Qatar
South Korea
Kuwait
Netherlands
Luxembourg
Nauru
It all depends from what perspective you look at i... (show quote)


Nicky, you another America hater your clain is baseless based on Population, China India and all the other third world Countries make us look like were raising the mwaters of the ocean by one American peeing into it. We are the cleanest MNation on earth and all this Global polution is from those third world Countries just look south to Mexico where San Diego had to close some of its beaches because of pollution from Mexico. Mexico City you can hardly see the city for the polution.

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Jul 25, 2014 10:28:46   #
Viet Nam Vet 67-68
 
Viet Nam Vet 67-68 wrote:
Nicky, you another America hater your clain is baseless based on Population, China India and all the other third world Countries make us look like were raising the mwaters of the ocean by one American peeing into it. We are the cleanest MNation on earth and all this Global polution is from those third world Countries just look south to Mexico where San Diego had to close some of its beaches because of pollution from Mexico. Mexico City you can hardly see the city for the polution.


Sorry for the printing errors too big of hands to type.

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