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Jun 29, 2023 20:22:34   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
A week before Trump spoke with the Saudi prince, legislation was introduced in congress by Senators Cramer and Sullivan to remove all troops, patriot missiles, and other defense systems if Saudi didn't come up with a 25% cut. The phone call where Trump was supposed to have forced OPEC to make such a cut has no documentation of the alleged deal. The news says things like, "A source close to the administration...", or "A senior official...". No one has come forth and said they heard or otherwise had documentation of Trump initiating such a demand. But the Senate bill is a matter of record.
A week before Trump spoke with the Saudi prince, l... (show quote)


Not sure what your point is.. trump himself told the world about his phone call.. you point out republicans proposed the withdrawal of military aid..

ttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-trump-saudi-specialreport/special-report-trump-told-saudi-cut-oil-supply-or-lose-u-s-military-support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4

In an April 2 phone call, Trump told Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman that unless the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) started cutting oil production, he would be powerless to stop lawmakers from passing legislation to withdraw U.S. troops from the kingdom, four sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.

The threat to upend a 75-year strategic alliance, which has not been previously reported, was central to the U.S. pressure campaign that led to a landmark global deal to slash oil supply as demand collapsed in the coronavirus pandemic

A senior U.S. official told Reuters that the administration notified Saudi leaders that, without production cuts, “there would be no way to stop the U.S. Congress from imposing restrictions that could lead to a withdrawal of U.S. forces.” The official summed up the argument, made through various diplomatic channels, as telling Saudi leaders: “We are defending your industry while you’re destroying ours.”

Reuters asked Trump about the talks in an interview Wednesday evening at the White House, at which the president addressed a range of topics involving the pandemic. Asked if he told the crown prince that the U.S. might pull forces out of Saudi Arabia, Trump said, “I didn’t have to tell him.”

Asked what he told the Crown Prince Mohammed, Trump said: “They were having a hard time making a deal. And I met telephonically with him, and we were able to reach a deal” for production cuts, Trump said.


The week before Trump’s phone call with Crown Prince Mohammed, U.S. Republican Senators Kevin Cramer and Dan Sullivan had introduced legislation to remove all U.S. troops, Patriot missiles and anti-missile defense systems from the kingdom unless Saudi Arabia cut oil output. Support for the measure was gaining momentum amid Congressional anger over the ill-timed Saudi-Russia oil price war. The kingdom had opened up the taps in April, unleashing a flood of crude into the global supply after Russia refused to deepen production cuts in line with an earlier OPEC supply pact.

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Jun 29, 2023 20:24:28   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
American Vet wrote:
No, the ‘only points’ he makes are lies. Notice he avoids providing any substantive proof - just dodges and dances.

And since they fit your extreme narrative, you lap them right up.


You only keep repeating the dumbest things.. what are you, retarded.. you simple minded POS..

What do you consider substantive proof??

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Jun 29, 2023 20:27:15   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
Govonor Walz of Minnesota, brought in the NG, police from out state and shut it all down in twin cities days befor the orange ouf, even made his first self agrandish comment.. trump did nothing at all for Minnesota. Other then leave unpaid bills from his campain...

Which is more unamercan in your estamation, one who desires that he be the authoratarian at the top of the government or the people who want the freedom and right our forfather championed, but only for themselves and those just like them?
Govonor Walz of Minnesota, brought in the NG, poli... (show quote)


You say authoritarian. Show where he forced his will on any state governor or instituted any mandates outside of his constitutional authority. In fact he reduced government. Which was one of the things he was criticized for. Reduction of government does not lead to authoritarian rule. It is the opposite.

Constitutional conservatives champion the constitutional rights of all regardless of if we agree with their ideology or not. We don't say we want freedom of speech except if that speech ____ (is disinformation, is offensive to some, goes against what is politically correct, is racist, is hate speech, etc.) Freedom of speech, period.

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Jun 29, 2023 20:28:03   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
ed4short wrote:
Got some news for you. Democracy died when Biden stole the 2020 election, and then the idiot bragged about
the greatest political heist in the history of politics.

You left wing no-it-alls just love to spread BS where ever you go. Without the MSM telling the truth about what is
happening to our country with FJB allegedly in charge, its easy for the fabricators to have followers. GOD BLESS THE MAGA's.


LOL, do you send a lot of your money to help trump fight the law.. you know he has none of his own.. he told you that so it must be true... LORDY...

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Jun 29, 2023 20:32:01   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
You are correct that there is no comparison. On January 6 the demonstrators came armed with phone cameras, not with weapons. All but 2 of the deaths were not through violence. The 2 being Babbitt and Boyland. Both of whom were killed by capitol police. [And federal court buildings are not local, though being local does not make it ok.]

You have nothing proving the demonstration was an attempt to overthrow the government or kill members of the government.

The permits for the Jan 6 demonstration were to let our legislators know we were watching to see that they followed the constitution and didn't read opposition votes, illegally and unconstitutionally certified by members of the executive branch of certain state governments. In states where the legislatures certified the electors and then an executive official either elected or appointed overstepped their authority to make their own opposition certification, the illegal votes were accepted and the legal ones not, despite hundreds of legislators calls of disputes which are supposed to stop the vote reading while the dispute is addressed. The reading continued without even acknowledging any dispute.

Far from trying to overthrow our government, the demonstration was attempting to encourage our legislators to keep our government intact. This is why the permit included a delegation to observe the joint session from the gallery. But the gallery was illegally locked as it should never be during a session of congress, let alone the extremely important joint session to read the electors votes.
(The violent agitators on Jan 6 were released almost immediately.)
You are correct that there is no comparison. On J... (show quote)




What the hell are all of you trump fools brain dead or do you just play the game.. how gd stupid can a group of people be?? damn.. you kind as a group will destroy our nation if it is the last thing you do.. damned if you want anything American to be for other people.. what a low bunch of pond scum..

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Jun 29, 2023 20:34:58   #
JoyV
 
permafrost wrote:
the millions going to the family of trump must also be considerd..

What communism has been supported in America and by whom?

who called the free press the enemy of the state??

consider the family role and payments of the former occupent before you cast stones at the present occupent..


Trump said the enemy of the people. Not the enemy of the state. Only those who support authoritarian rule conflate the two.

Now what fascists and communists do is encourage people to trust the news while they take control of it. No fascist leader would tell people to mistrust the news of their own country. But rather they would tell them to disbelieve any news from outside the official channels which disagreed with what the accepted news told them. Encouraging people to be skeptical of what someone tells them is the opposite of authoritarianism.

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Jun 29, 2023 20:38:48   #
American Vet
 
permafrost wrote:


What the hell are all of you trump fools brain dead or do you just play the game.. how gd stupid can a group of people be?? damn.. you kind as a group will destroy our nation if it is the last thing you do.. damned if you want anything American to be for other people.. what a low bunch of pond scum..
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And again you are unable to refute the content so you rant like the child you mentally are.

Come on, Corn Pop - prove the post wrong.

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Jun 29, 2023 20:39:28   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
You say authoritarian. Show where he forced his will on any state governor or instituted any mandates outside of his constitutional authority. In fact he reduced government. Which was one of the things he was criticized for. Reduction of government does not lead to authoritarian rule. It is the opposite.

Constitutional conservatives champion the constitutional rights of all regardless of if we agree with their ideology or not. We don't say we want freedom of speech except if that speech ____ (is disinformation, is offensive to some, goes against what is politically correct, is racist, is hate speech, etc.) Freedom of speech, period.
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Just to point out, I have never seen even one remark for the orange troops willing to let anyone not just like them have a share of the American way..

This little single example of the selfish crap you scum sucking pigs who love trump and want him back for more destruction .. you useless pile of pond scum..

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/19/trump-governors-coronavirus-medical-supplies-137658

CORONAVIRUS

‘We’re not a shipping clerk’: Trump tells governors to step up efforts to get medical supplies
The president’s remarks amounted to a rebuke of governors’ recent pleas for greater federal intervention.

President Donald Trump on Thursday put the onus on governors to obtain the critical equipment their states need to fight the coronavirus pandemic, telling reporters that the federal government is “not a shipping clerk” for the potentially life-saving supplies.

The president’s remarks amounted to a rebuke of governors’ recent pleas for more robust federal intervention amid the rapidly spreading outbreak, which they warn will soon overwhelm local health care systems if hospital beds, face masks and other necessities are not soon furnished in significantly greater numbers.

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Jun 29, 2023 20:40:31   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
American Vet wrote:
And again you are unable to refute the content so you rant like the child you mentally are.

Come on, Corn Pop - prove the post wrong.


You silly MF.. the proof has been posted time and again. Are so dumb you can not read or is it truly something else you want to see?

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Jun 29, 2023 20:43:26   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JoyV wrote:
Trump said the enemy of the people. Not the enemy of the state. Only those who support authoritarian rule conflate the two.

Now what fascists and communists do is encourage people to trust the news while they take control of it. No fascist leader would tell people to mistrust the news of their own country. But rather they would tell them to disbelieve any news from outside the official channels which disagreed with what the accepted news told them. Encouraging people to be skeptical of what someone tells them is the opposite of authoritarianism.
Trump said the enemy of the people. Not the enemy... (show quote)


I bet your boat to North Korea is getting read to lift anchor.. You better get moving..

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Jun 29, 2023 21:29:07   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
damn, It is true what they say.. You are so dumb you do not know facts when you see them.. darn and I thought it was only mean talking.. but damn the truth must scald your gizzard.. no wonder you do not sleep well or have any thing new to post..


Let’s go Brandon



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Jun 29, 2023 22:10:06   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
ed4short wrote:
Got some news for you. Democracy died when Biden stole the 2020 election, and then the idiot bragged about
the greatest political heist in the history of politics.

You left wing no-it-alls just love to spread BS where ever you go. Without the MSM telling the truth about what is
happening to our country with FJB allegedly in charge, its easy for the fabricators to have followers. GOD BLESS THE MAGA's.


What President had his competitor indited and done everything his DOJ and FBI could do to make sure Trump couldn't run in 2024 !

Every left called Trump a wannabe dictator as it turns out Ole Joe and his pals are more than a wannabe dictator He's acting like one all the time in everything he does .

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Jun 29, 2023 23:11:40   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
gee randy, get a grip...


I've got one....firmly on reality. You should give it a try.

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Jun 29, 2023 23:13:52   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
Yes, that was thea 10 year plus run of Prsedent Obama economic policy and actions.. Great work by him and his well chosen adminestration...


Nothing like a tiny little amount of tepid 'growth' to help control inflation. Congrats to President Obama.

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Jun 29, 2023 23:19:31   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
permafrost wrote:
No, the beginning was when trump demanded and forced OPEC + to cut back 25% on oil production for 2years, that was the startof driving up oil prices and anyone who reads facts and knows history accepts that truth.. then we move on to corporate greed, to which a number of CEOs stated that a/c of the isolation the people had money in their pockets and the corps would not reduce prices until they got the last n ickel.....


No, Perm. The deal with OPEC ended the rapidly FALLING prices on oil, which was falling below the cost of producing, and saved many companies, including American ones, from going bankrupt due to a glut of product. The glut was temporary, but bankruptcy of companies would have been a permanent loss of skills and manpower. I remain unconvinced that it was be best move, but the reasons for it were valid. YOUR remarks are false.

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