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May 3, 2023 06:52:10   #
Liberty Tree
 
permafrost wrote:
A mind set is a terrible thing to change..

It seems republicans believe that the only way to stop gun violence is with more guns. Never mind the fact that America has more guns per capita while simultaneously the most mass shootings and gun related violence of any developed country.

Some say we shouldn’t take guns away from law abiding citizens. But isn’t everyone a law abiding citizen until they’re not? And maybe it’s more than just guns themselves, but weapons of war. I can’t fathom any reason a typical law abiding citizen would necessitate an AR 15.

Others say that it’s not guns that are the problem, but people. Yes it’s people. People with guns. And if people are the problem, why are you giving them guns? And yet others say it’s a mental health issue. But don’t want to do anything to help with that either.

There is also the argument that the good guys with guns will get rid of the bad guys with guns. But again, nothing is being done to figure out who’s a bad guy. And even “good guys” with guns don’t seem to be all that helpful. Just ask the victims of the Uvalde shooting.

Don’t worry though. All this talk of gun control, no one is coming for your guns. Except maybe your kids. But I digress. Yes. I believe that republicans think the solution to gun violence and mass shootings is more guns. And apparently every time someone knocks on your front door, get that AR 15 ready. We see how well that’s been working lately.
A mind set is a terrible thing to change.. br br ... (show quote)


OK, oh wise one. What is your magic solution?

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May 3, 2023 06:52:31   #
maureenthannon
 
THE PLACES WITH THE STRICTEST GUN CONTROL LAWS HAVE THE HIGHEST VIOLENT CRIME RATES IN AMERICA. Not surprising, as it's NO SECRET THAT THE CONTROL LAWS HELP CRIMINALS. Not surprising , since GUN CONTROL LLAWS HELP CRIMINALS. GUN CONTROL LAWS ONLY STOP LAW ABIDING CITIZENS FROM HAVING GUNS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES; THEY DON'T STOP CRMINALS FROM HAVING GUNS, CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY THE LAWS, THEY'RE CRIMINALS. The criminals know that the citizens and business owners don't have guns, so they feel free to commit crimes in these areas. And, WHY DO THE LIBERALS LOVE TO LET TERRORISTS AND DRUG CARTELS IN THE COUNTRY? OPEN BORDERS DO THAT. That's why overdosing on drugs ha become a LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR AMERICA'S TEENS. Then, there's the LEFT'S WAR ON POLICE. People in minority communities get hurt the most by the war on Police. The residents of these communities can't count on Police to protect them from the criminals running rampant on the streets.

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May 3, 2023 06:53:15   #
keepuphope Loc: Idaho
 
permafrost wrote:
A mind set is a terrible thing to change..

It seems republicans believe that the only way to stop gun violence is with more guns. Never mind the fact that America has more guns per capita while simultaneously the most mass shootings and gun related violence of any developed country.

Some say we shouldn’t take guns away from law abiding citizens. But isn’t everyone a law abiding citizen until they’re not? And maybe it’s more than just guns themselves, but weapons of war. I can’t fathom any reason a typical law abiding citizen would necessitate an AR 15.

Others say that it’s not guns that are the problem, but people. Yes it’s people. People with guns. And if people are the problem, why are you giving them guns? And yet others say it’s a mental health issue. But don’t want to do anything to help with that either.

There is also the argument that the good guys with guns will get rid of the bad guys with guns. But again, nothing is being done to figure out who’s a bad guy. And even “good guys” with guns don’t seem to be all that helpful. Just ask the victims of the Uvalde shooting.

Don’t worry though. All this talk of gun control, no one is coming for your guns. Except maybe your kids. But I digress. Yes. I believe that republicans think the solution to gun violence and mass shootings is more guns. And apparently every time someone knocks on your front door, get that AR 15 ready. We see how well that’s been working lately.
A mind set is a terrible thing to change.. br br ... (show quote)


I think anyone who has used a gun in an unlawful way should not own guns and if caught with one should go to jail for a long time. No bail, jail.😏

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May 3, 2023 10:44:13   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
AuntiE wrote:
As another point, are you able to explain why responsible gun owners should lose their rights when law enforcement and prosecutors fail to do their jobs.

The simple fact is, with rare exception, every mass shooter has been reported to law enforcement well before their rampage. As you obvious lack any real knowledge on this topic, law enforcement has the authority to report such individuals to the NICS which would have prevented several from purchasing a gun. As you further lack real knowledge on this topic, why are prosecutors allowed to not prosecute gun charges. If one does even a scant amount of research, the records show prosecutors guilty of dropping; armed robbery to robbery, assault with a deadly weapon to assault. There are over 300 gun control laws as well as a multitude of available criminal gun related charged available which are not utilized.

DO NOT HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE for the failure of law enforcement and prosecutors to do their sworn duties.

DO NOT take my Constitutional rights away because you bleeding heart progressives fail to see where there are currently means available to deal with this issue.
As another point, are you able to explain why resp... (show quote)



You see this all wrong.. very few people are urging loss of gun ownership. and I am not one of those..

your 2nd paragraph is nearly all wrong.. few mass shooters have been involved in past altercations of any kind.. They are all good people until they are not.

It is not a problem with law enforcement, the things you mention are usually involving plea bargens and not off the wall changes in the charges for no good reason..

Again, I am not about to surrender my guns, I have 9 of them at the moment.. but I also see the pressing need for changing the playing field we lead the world in Per Capita gun ownership, as well as outright numbers.. and because the guns are so abundant and easy to obtain, the urge to kill which may be a short term impulse can be fulfilled in a matter of hours.. just as bad is the fact that an unbalanced individual can hoard guns and ammo for months, even years and then go on the predicted rampage to avenge whatever injustice they feel victims of..

In short, we need to do something to stem the deaths.. and the most demanding of gun rights people never make a mention of what that could be.. Nothing but howling about "you can not take my guns" and that is not the goal of most gun regulation advocates..

Wearing these will prevent handling a gun,,, is it a solution?
Wearing these will prevent handling a gun,,, is it...

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May 3, 2023 10:49:24   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Weasel wrote:
To be perfectly honest, I wish we could put all of these gun arguments to bed.
We are just creating simple minded, uneducated morons with ways to seek their 15 minutes of fame. (Copycat Killers) that have no idea what the right to bare arms is all about. Accept, and Respect the Constitution and stop all the end fighting.


Good advise Weasel....

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May 3, 2023 10:52:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
GoCubs wrote:
Give it up Perma. You make too much sense. These dumbasses have shit for brains. Unfortunately, it’s a lost cause as these idiots are just simply too plain stupid to reason with. It will never change - it’s too late due to three consecutive generations of terrible parenting. We’re screwed.



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May 3, 2023 10:57:46   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
keepuphope wrote:
I think anyone who has used a gun in an unlawful way should not own guns and if caught with one should go to jail for a long time. No bail, jail.😏


We agree on that idea...

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May 3, 2023 11:13:45   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
You see this all wrong.. very few people are urging loss of gun ownership. and I am not one of those..

your 2nd paragraph is nearly all wrong.. few mass shooters have been involved in past altercations of any kind.. They are all good people until they are not.

It is not a problem with law enforcement, the things you mention are usually involving plea bargens and not off the wall changes in the charges for no good reason..

Again, I am not about to surrender my guns, I have 9 of them at the moment.. but I also see the pressing need for changing the playing field we lead the world in Per Capita gun ownership, as well as outright numbers.. and because the guns are so abundant and easy to obtain, the urge to kill which may be a short term impulse can be fulfilled in a matter of hours.. just as bad is the fact that an unbalanced individual can hoard guns and ammo for months, even years and then go on the predicted rampage to avenge whatever injustice they feel victims of..

In short, we need to do something to stem the deaths.. and the most demanding of gun rights people never make a mention of what that could be.. Nothing but howling about "you can not take my guns" and that is not the goal of most gun regulation advocates..
You see this all wrong.. very few people are urgin... (show quote)


bubble boy you say Democrats don’t want to take our guns that’s a lie that’s all they talk about are taking our guns.That’s a bad case of monkeypox you have on your hands.



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May 3, 2023 11:24:33   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
bubble boy you say Democrats don’t want to take our guns that’s a lie that’s all they talk about are taking our guns.That’s a bad case of monkeypox you have on your hands.


Bird, you and most people choose to believe and remember the things that agree with your mind set.

Of course some people and some who may be democrats do want the removal of all guns.. my remark was that very few who want some sort of regulation want to remove guns from the population..

The right to bear arms is for all of us and the great majority do not have any intention of losing that right..

Most of us, both right nuts and left nuts.. gun nuts that is... agree that enforcement should be the first step in trying to correct the situation... beyond that we should find somethings we can agree on and not try to force unacceptable regulations on the majority who do not want that to happen..

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May 3, 2023 11:26:11   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
Bird, you and most people choose to believe and remember the things that agree with your mind set.

Of course some people and some who may be democrats do want the removal of all guns.. my remark was that very few who want some sort of regulation want to remove guns from the population..

The right to bear arms is for all of us and the great majority do not have any intention of losing that right..

Most of us, both right nuts and left nuts.. gun nuts that is... agree that enforcement should be the first step in trying to correct the situation... beyond that we should find somethings we can agree on and not try to force unacceptable regulations on the majority who do not want that to happen..
Bird, you and most people choose to believe and re... (show quote)


Bubble boy Should we start with gays and transgender’s. Because the last five mass shootings were done by gays and transgender’s.

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May 3, 2023 11:31:20   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
Bubble boy Should we start with gays and transgender’s. Because the last five mass shootings were done by gays and transgender’s.


Last 5??? I do not think so, we seem to have at least one gun incident every day and while we may be able to find 5 trans or gay individuals they were not all at once.. and you omit the fact that most shooters besides being nuts are influenced by right wing propaganda and expressed view.. no one has mentioned that fact in the pages this thread has expanded into.

what think you of that fact? I have heard it expressed that movies, TV and comics have done the damage to some minds of shooters but I also think the viewpoint of the right wing valance creeda needs addressing..

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May 3, 2023 11:45:13   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
Last 5??? I do not think so, we seem to have at least one gun incident every day and while we may be able to find 5 trans or gay individuals they were not all at once.. and you omit the fact that most shooters besides being nuts are influenced by right wing propaganda and expressed view.. no one has mentioned that fact in the pages this thread has expanded into.

what think you of that fact? I have heard it expressed that movies, TV and comics have done the damage to some minds of shooters but I also think the viewpoint of the right wing valance creeda needs addressing..
Last 5??? I do not think so, we seem to have at l... (show quote)
Bubble boy





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May 3, 2023 12:40:53   #
TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island
 
permafrost wrote:
Last 5??? I do not think so, we seem to have at least one gun incident every day and while we may be able to find 5 trans or gay individuals they were not all at once.. and you omit the fact that most shooters besides being nuts are influenced by right wing propaganda and expressed view.. no one has mentioned that fact in the pages this thread has expanded into.

what think you of that fact? I have heard it expressed that movies, TV and comics have done the damage to some minds of shooters but I also think the viewpoint of the right wing valance creeda needs addressing..
Last 5??? I do not think so, we seem to have at l... (show quote)


PermaFart666, wrong, most mass/school shootings were done by leftist Democrats or the children of leftist Democrats. Most murders are committed in blue cities. Maybe more arrests and jail time would stop the murders. Maybe cracking down on gangs, making them illegal and arresting gang members would lower the murder rate.

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May 3, 2023 12:43:14   #
Jim0001 Loc: originally from Tennessee, now Virginia, USA
 
JR-57 wrote:
Practice what you preach. You have such a short memory.


And you are on the computer telling us this. Go enjoy life!!!!

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May 3, 2023 12:48:46   #
coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp
 
permafrost wrote:
A mind set is a terrible thing to change..

It seems republicans believe that the only way to stop gun violence is with more guns. Never mind the fact that America has more guns per capita while simultaneously the most mass shootings and gun related violence of any developed country.

Some say we shouldn’t take guns away from law abiding citizens. But isn’t everyone a law abiding citizen until they’re not? And maybe it’s more than just guns themselves, but weapons of war. I can’t fathom any reason a typical law abiding citizen would necessitate an AR 15.

Others say that it’s not guns that are the problem, but people. Yes it’s people. People with guns. And if people are the problem, why are you giving them guns? And yet others say it’s a mental health issue. But don’t want to do anything to help with that either.

There is also the argument that the good guys with guns will get rid of the bad guys with guns. But again, nothing is being done to figure out who’s a bad guy. And even “good guys” with guns don’t seem to be all that helpful. Just ask the victims of the Uvalde shooting.

Don’t worry though. All this talk of gun control, no one is coming for your guns. Except maybe your kids. But I digress. Yes. I believe that republicans think the solution to gun violence and mass shootings is more guns. And apparently every time someone knocks on your front door, get that AR 15 ready. We see how well that’s been working lately.
A mind set is a terrible thing to change.. br br ... (show quote)


Morons are the problem. You blame inanimate objects, just like a moron. My guns have killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile. You would blame Ransom Eli Olds for Mary Jo Kopechne's death?

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