Wonttakeitanymore

Not !! Only to the zombies

Weswill

How about the proven facts that some states held illegal elections by by-passing their states legislatures which is unconstitutional and therefore illegal. Georgia,Michigan,Pennsylvania and I think Arizona and maybe even more. Take thise states votes out and no one wins the presidency.

Haski123

If that’s your opinion that election was stolen, even censored items show up in audits( most swing states, 2000 mules- totally debunked, + 60 court cases, recounts, etc.) Lawyers supporting stolen election losing licenses, FOX being sued by Dominion/ Smartmatics , Trumps DOJ said election wasn’t stolen, Trumps kids stated in deposition felt Election not stolen, Trumps Head of Election security said 2020 was the most secure election ever then Trump fired him, Trump funded independent study that indicated not stolen, then shelved it cause it didn’t have the answer he wanted. Lots of proof it wasn’t stolen. Action: So please show me what proof you have that election was stolen, that there was enough improprieties to change 2020 results and proof of what was censored and who censored results. If you can show me proof vs opinion and debunked conspiracy theories I will read and try to understand. At this point no one has provided proof only unsupported, unproven conspiracy theories and election denier rhetoric.

Weswill

You talk about hate and division. All that started when Trump ran and was elected president by the Democrats who all hated him and some Republicans. I would be interested to know how many positives for Trump verses how many negatives against Trump from the articles you referrenced.

Weswill

Still look at the illegal elections held by some states by changing election laws illegally.

Haski123

Why wasn’t that taken to State and Federal Supreme Court? Sounds flagrant enough to me. GOP would have been all over that if it was litigable. The voter changes you discuss information was discussed and decided at State level to allow people to safely vote due to Covid. Changes were decided well before voting started so 4-5 months minimum were available to challenge this before vote or electoral vote certification. Each state went through their own unique state approval processes. Another non starter election denier talking point. How many of the votes would have been effected? You propose that four states votes should have been tossed out? Don’t think that’s the right answer. No proof yet that election was stolen.

Haski123

I googled Trump firsts. The first article was pages of items he did deemed positive, actually pretty impressive. The Pew report was neutral but results of surveys indicated negative trends in most measurement in report. Politico was skewed fairly negative against Trump. So about 50/50 positive negative and skewed negative with Pew surveys. Interestingly if I read the first one only I’d think Trump was the best, Perfect. If I read only the last one I’d Think Trump was the worst. The Pew seemed more neutral just showed facts that indicted negative change in results during Trumps term. Glad I try to read multiple sources to get overall views then try to sort facts from opinions and form my view. Also helps me understand why some people love him and some literally hate him. It’s like the three blind men all touching different parts of the elephant and the different descriptions based on part they felt. We aren’t blind and when we look at the elephant from all sides we can see the true elephant in the room.

Smedley_buzkill

Biden's victory boils down to five tossup states that he won very narrowly. As a matter of fact, it came to about 43,000 votes spread out over five states. That is considerably less than one percent.
I know in Georgia, some 8000 names were discovered that were invalid, giving businesses, vacant lots and public buildings as home addresses. Nearly 2000 listed various motels as permanent residences. Tens of thousands of names of ineligible voters were purged from the rolls, but this did not happen until AFTER the election results had been certified. There is no way of telling how many of those ineligible voters voted, but Biden's margin of victory was less than 12,000 out of about 5 million cast. A precinct in Michigan had more votes for Biden than there were registered voters. Perhaps none of this enough to change the election results but more than enough to indicate widespread fraud, usually with mail in ballots.

Smedley_buzkill

In what way was 2000 mules "totally debunked?" Perhaps you could grace us with a reputable source for this snippet?

Dawn.W

If you stole an election and there was any proof of said act do you seriously believe that they would tell you the truth? The would hide ,bury and destroy any proof and they are very obviously not above threatening either. In my State we were like 90% red but ended up being classified as a Blue state. Either I don't under stand 90% out of 100% or something is really fishy with this.

Dawn.W

Yes and I am not sure what you were looking at but hate crimes on the race aspect was down so low... No mass shooting every day. Gas and food were affordable. The Dems do things like take the right to abortion away and then promise to get them back for you if reelected. And of course there will be some big scandal in the middle to get us thinking about something else and forgetting that they infact took away what they are now promising to get back for you. A photographer mind is sometimes a blessing and sometimes a curse.

Dawn.W

Yes exactly. Everyone believes everything they read on Google...LOL . I wonder why so many people have not picked up on all the different things on the same topic on Google yet. I guess they read the one they choose to believe. Me I go by what I hear or see for myself.

Dawn.W

What happens when you find conflicting research?

Haski123

Here is a summary, including Trumps DOJ laughing at it when brought up in testimony. Although 2000 Mules has been debunked by legitimate media outlets, nonpartisan fact checkers and numerous technology experts, conservative organizations across Texas continue to hold screenings to discredit Biden's election victory. During testimony in front of Congress' Jan. 6 committee, former Trump Attorney General William Barr laughed off 2000 Mules when asked about any evidence he'd seen that proves that the 2020 presidential election was stolen-Barr had none. Numerous organizations also have debunked True the Vote's claim that the cell phone data it purchased proves anything unlawful took place. Hope that helps you. If it was as valid as you indicate it would have been basis for legal action to invalidate election- not so, I’m unable to find anyone using this debunked documentary to support any election denier litigation. There are more specifics in media, fact checkers, DOJ under oath should be enough but, you can look up more if you’d like. Hope that helps. Yet to get any facts supporting stolen election.

Haski123

Your response does nothing to help me understand your comments, I asked for clarification and all you did was send a slamming characterisation of democrats and I suspect at me. No value add. No proof to support election stolen. Please try again to provide proof in civil manner so we can have a good discussion and better understand each other. We are all citizens first and political leanings second, let’s stay at value add citizens level.