straightUp Loc: California

Yeah, what was I thinking? Dictionaries are such liars. LOL


LOL - That's just a more palatable way of saying the same thing. Traditions get established because they DO work. The problem is that when a nation expands to include more diversity the traditions that work for some don't always work for others. You are showing yourself to be a rather narrow minded fella who isn't even considering the people with different interests or needs than your own.


Well, that's just being a constitutional republic. Liberals are just as compliant with that process as conservatives are.


Again, nothing distinguishing here. This is just how a constitutional republic works.


Well that sounds very eloquent 'n-all but it's flawed. First of all, the standards set by our founders, which is basically the U.S Constitution, is designed to be changed. That's what the amendment process is for. They apparently had a better grip than you do on the reality of a changing world. Secondly, they never said anything about putting the AMERICAN people first. That just wasn't something they even considered. What they put first, were limitations on government which is what a constitution is and that's as far as they went. The freedom they referred to was simply the result of the limits they placed on government and nothing more.


Putting the people first is the very essence of the left, so we don't even need the founders to tell us that. In fact, the founders were themselves, republicans (not Republicans as in the party, but republicans, as in opposition to monarchy) which after the French Revolution a few years later, was described world-wide as the political left.


Yeah, the founders didn't say any of that.


Oops! I guess we've been violating their wishes for about 250 years. LOL. Let me ask you something... If we're not supposed to fix or adjust society WTF is an amendment for?


Maybe one day we'll get there. So far it hasn't happened.

straightUp Loc: California

I believe the term is Bolshevik... Before you accuse people of something you should at least know how to spell it, don't you think?


Why would anyone want to do that? Especially someone who advocates socialist principals? The best place for any form of democratic socialism is in fact a constitutional republic.


I don't recall anything Milosia ever said that would indicate she's a communist. Do you even know what a communist is? I doubt you do. According to what Marx wrote, communism hasn't really happened yet although some close approximations exist in places like Israel. The so-called communist revolutions in Russia and China were according to what Marx prescribed, premature because neither of those countries had developed capitalism yet and that's the first prerequisite... socialism being the second. Those countries tried to jump from agrarian feudalism to communism in one revolution. Marx would have been rolling his eyes.

What made life miserable in those countries was basic tyranny, not the "communism" that never happened. The Soviets did implement some socialism but the quality sucked compared to the socialism in America.

You've been played my friend. The oligarchy that runs this country wants to keep you down and you're letting them do it. Other people like Milosia are trying to fight back and you're basically telling them not to.

Rose42

You’ve been played as well. . The oligarchy running this country doesn’t care about party. Milosia isn’t fighting back - she’s playing their game with her often silly hyper partisan blather. That accomplishes nothing.

Big Kahuna

Why are you trying to whitewash Randy Bryan's needs and wants. He has a right to hold those close to himself too. Maybe you need to be more accepting of him.

Big Kahuna

Do you think Milktoastia and Straight up have an incestuous relationship going on like Omar and her brother did??

Big Kahuna

Pure communism will never happen just as the demorat fantasy of a utopia on Earth will never happen. Mankind is too sinful, like communist ideology, for total goodness to prevail and that certainly includes you.

Big Kahuna

So Right wing demorats were much like the Fascist Demorats of today. I get it now.

BIRDMAN

Ricktloml

It is amazing the lengths leftists will go to cover-up/blame THEIR words/actions on someone/something else...their ugly/racist past/their support for Hitler/left-wing ideologies that have destroyed society after society

microphor Loc: Home is TN

ahahahahahaha, You guys crack me up! Sounds like y'all been looking in the mirror again and don't even know it.

straightUp Loc: California

As a democracy, we're ALL being played Rose... The difference is that some of us are learning to recognize it,


Yes, they do... political parties make it convenient to manipulate the people by focusing on their representatives. That's how lobbying works.


Well, not HERE she isn't. Clearly, arguing with people like you isn't going to accomplish anything of political value, but if she's anything like me, she could very well be making a difference elsewhere. You just don't know.

Big Kahuna

Thanks for showing us the difference between good and evil. Your evil has been exposed. Now go fall off your surfboard prop.

Rose42

When someone uses dishonesty and hyperbole as milosia does they are counterproductive. Zealotry accomplishes nothing. You have no idea what she does either just as no one knows what you do. You might be making a difference somewhere who knows

No the oligarchs don’t care about parties except to distract people into meaningless squabbles while they work towards what they want.

straightUp Loc: California

I'm not disputing his right to his opinions, if that's what you're suggesting. I'm just disputing his argument. Do you have a problem with that?


Look, you folks are the ONLY people even mentioning communism. Show me one example where a liberal advocates communism. There isn't any. Show me one example where a conservative argues against communism... Hundreds! Basically it's a giant straw man. You set up "sinful communism" as if it's our argument, which it isn't, and then you attack it. It's like your shadow boxing.

Speaking for myself, I'm not concerned about America being overrun by communism because I KNOW it won't work. If other liberals think the way I do it might actually explain why you NEVER see liberals advocating communism as much as you want that to be the case.

Likewise, none of us are actually trying to achieve utopia on Earth either. Our objectives are actually very much down to earth. We can SEE where other countries are doing far better than us in MANY categories, so we have living examples to follow. The problem we face is that a lot of the improvements we DO advocate would force the oligarchs to compromise with the people and they don't want to do that. In places like Europe the power of the people is stronger so they tend to achieve more concessions from their oligarchs, such as free education and healthcare. But in America, the power of the people is deeply compromised by a class of very submissive conservatives, easily convinced that we owe our lives to the oligarchs and that any attempt to gain concession from them is a call for communism.

straightUp Loc: California

Well, I haven't seen milosia being dishonest or hyperbolic but I don't read EVERYTHING she writes either. As for zealotry, I think it DOES accomplish a LOT. Dishonesty, hyperbole and zealotry drove the attack on our capitol on 1/6. It just depends on what you're trying to accomplish.


Not sure what your point is... I never claimed to know what Milosia does outside of 1PP.


Well... isn't that making use of the parties?