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Feb 28, 2023 13:51:05   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Am I mising something here?
You always struck me as a pro Democrat Party type?
Central government control as opposed to States rights.


Why are you settling for Central Control by Rogue Supreme Court ?
Or by minority central control of the House of Representatives?
The question is who is controlling this central government?
The People ? The Majority?
The consent of the governed ?
Or is it just a minority of rich people calling all the shots ??
And the Democratic Party is on the verge of having one less vote.
They’ve been screaming to get out the vote.
Like this will solve their problems.
I say , we have enough people already voting.
The Democratic Party needs to figure out why they’re not voting for them .
If they would embrace Bernies Policies , they would never lose .
And the republicans would have a reason not to vote for republicans .
Once they get past their little Marxist induced temper tantrums.
And decide to support
Of the people
By the people
And
For the people !
Call it whatever the hell you want .
Wouldn’t you rather not live like refugees. ?

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Feb 28, 2023 13:58:53   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Why are you settling for Central Control by Rogue Supreme Court ?
Or by minority central control of the House of Representatives?
The question is who is controlling this central government?
The People ? The Majority?
The consent of the governed ?
Or is it just a minority of rich people calling all the shots ??


Must you spew Bolshevic BS, Milosia2?

It doesn't hold water.
You will never cancel this Constitutional Republic.

BTW; communism is always a loser for those ruled by it; except for party members.
What is in it for you?

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Feb 28, 2023 14:03:09   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Why are you settling for Central Control by Rogue Supreme Court ?
Or by minority central control of the House of Representatives?
The question is who is controlling this central government?
The People ? The Majority?
The consent of the governed ?
Or is it just a minority of rich people calling all the shots ??
And the Democratic Party is on the verge of having one less vote.
They’ve been screaming to get out the vote.
Like this will solve their problems.
I say , we have enough people already voting.
The Democratic Party needs to figure out why they’re not voting for them .
If they would embrace Bernies Policies , they would never lose .
And the republicans would have a reason not to vote for republicans .
Once they get past their little Marxist induced temper tantrums.
And decide to support
Of the people
By the people
And
For the people !
Call it whatever the hell you want .
Wouldn’t you rather not live like refugees. ?
Why are you settling for Central Control by Rogue ... (show quote)


"Wouldn’t you rather not live like refugees. ?" - Milosia2

There we have it boys and girls; Milosia2 considers itself a "refugee"

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Feb 28, 2023 14:03:55   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Must you spew Bolshevic BS, Milosia2?

It doesn't hold water.
You will never cancel this Constitutional Republic.

BTW; communism is always a loser for those ruled by it; except for party members.
What is in it for you?


It will not survive without democracy .

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Feb 28, 2023 14:06:08   #
martsiva
 
straightUp wrote:
The left never established the KKK. Back when that was happening the left was all Republican and the Democrats were predominantly conservatives. I wonder how many other countries out there are so damned clueless when it comes to their own history.


Say what?? Are you actually denying that the KKK was started by a left wing Democrat?? Are you denying that the majority big plantation slave owners were left wing Democrats?? Come on and make a bigger fool of yourself with more of your bald face lies!!

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Feb 28, 2023 14:08:02   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
microphor wrote:
Conservative doesn't mean racist but Democrat does

You can tell yourself whatever you want but since I'm not trying to save face, I can go by what the evidence shows.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that conservative = racist. Conservatism is about preserving tradition. It just so happens that in the south, slavery WAS a tradition and even though the liberals from the north forced them to free their slaves almost 160 years ago that really only amounts to about five generations of southerners dealing with the frustration of being forced to treat black people as equals and that can really bring out the racism.

As for the political parties, yes the Democratic Party was the political platform that these frustrated, conservatives leaned on for a long time, but that party started to change in a direction that embraced racial equality and civil rights and the southern conservatives that refused to accept these values walked away. Some of them created a new party called the States' Rights Democratic Party, who's members were referred to as "Dixiecrats". But Nixon's Southern Strategy gave them an invitation to the more powerful Republican Party by appealing to their racism.

Today it's still the Republican party that caters to racism in the south in order to secure their their votes, mostly by opposing the liberal policies that promote racial equality. On a national level it's not so obvious because Republicans are also helping conservatives in places where slavery never happened and racism is not so prevalent such as in the west where conservatives are trying preserve their religious traditions. But at the state level, where politics are more confined to local culture it's a different story.

I think a lot of Republicans are having a hard time reconciling with all of this, especially the ones who aren't really racist. One way of escaping the guilt is to project on the Democrats. A favorite tactic is to criticize the Democratic attempts to equalize, saying how much it doesn't help black people, or that it makes black people more dependent or finding whatever can be construed as a failure.

Then there is the ol' fallback... referring to the old conservative Democratic Party of the 1920s and pretending the party hasn't changed since. The Internet is already filled with arguments denying the party switch and I'm sure some of the advocates of removing racial studies from schools would like to erase that history entirely.

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Feb 28, 2023 14:51:42   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Who here thinks they know who is puling Joe's strings?

I would say the Democrats on one hand and the neoliberals on the other.

The White House has always had two hands... Domestic policy and foreign policy. Since WW2, foreign policy has been dominated by the free-market neoliberals who have pulled the strings of every president since Nixon. Sometimes presidents pretend it's not happening in order to appeal to "America First" voters. Trump went so far as to call the neoliberals the "deep state" and even trash-talked the CIA which is a primary facilitator of the neoliberal agenda. Although he scored points with his supporters for the trash-talk , he did nothing to actually stop them or interfere with them.

Biden is a return to less dramatic, business-as-usual, which without the trash-talking makes him appear to be more aligned with the neoliberals and therefore the CIA. But I don't think the CIA is "pulling his strings" per se... I think the CIA and the president simply two components in the neoliberal machine.

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Feb 28, 2023 14:58:54   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
martsiva wrote:
Say what?? Are you actually denying that the KKK was started by a left wing Democrat??

I'm saying the KKK was started by a right-wing Democrat.

martsiva wrote:

Are you denying that the majority big plantation slave owners were left wing Democrats??

I am saying the majority of big plantation slave owners were right-wing Democrats

martsiva wrote:

Come on and make a bigger fool of yourself with more of your bald face lies!!

LOL "bald face"? I think the term you're looking for is "bold faced"... As in... bold faced

In any case, the joke appears to be on you for not being able to tell the difference between political parties and ideological cultures.
It's like you're saying a ham sandwich and a turkey sandwich is the same thing because all you can see is the bread.

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Feb 28, 2023 15:11:59   #
Rose42
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Why are you settling for Central Control by Rogue Supreme Court ?
Or by minority central control of the House of Representatives?
The question is who is controlling this central government?
The People ? The Majority?
The consent of the governed ?
Or is it just a minority of rich people calling all the shots ??
And the Democratic Party is on the verge of having one less vote.
They’ve been screaming to get out the vote.
Like this will solve their problems.
I say , we have enough people already voting.
The Democratic Party needs to figure out why they’re not voting for them .
If they would embrace Bernies Policies , they would never lose .
And the republicans would have a reason not to vote for republicans .
Once they get past their little Marxist induced temper tantrums.
And decide to support
Of the people
By the people
And
For the people !
Call it whatever the hell you want .
Wouldn’t you rather not live like refugees. ?
Why are you settling for Central Control by Rogue ... (show quote)


A vote for the democrat party doesn’t matter. The rich control them too.

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Feb 28, 2023 15:12:03   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Why are you settling for Central Control by Rogue Supreme Court ?
Or by minority central control of the House of Representatives?
The question is who is controlling this central government?
The People ? The Majority?
The consent of the governed ?
Or is it just a minority of rich people calling all the shots ??
And the Democratic Party is on the verge of having one less vote.
They’ve been screaming to get out the vote.
Like this will solve their problems.
I say , we have enough people already voting.
The Democratic Party needs to figure out why they’re not voting for them .
If they would embrace Bernies Policies , they would never lose .
And the republicans would have a reason not to vote for republicans .
Once they get past their little Marxist induced temper tantrums.
And decide to support
Of the people
By the people
And
For the people !
Call it whatever the hell you want .
Wouldn’t you rather not live like refugees. ?
Why are you settling for Central Control by Rogue ... (show quote)


WTF? You don't make a f**king lick of sense. Take your meds and a long nap!

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Feb 28, 2023 15:13:26   #
Big Kahuna
 
straightUp wrote:
Fascinating rant... I don't know if you realize this but the projection is pretty obvious. It's like the more carried away you get with your lies the more your racism slips out in your emotions and your inability to mention ANY black people without derogatory name calling, well, that's just a dead give away.

Did you have a bad experience with black people at some point or did you just get your racism from your parents and it's always been like that?


My racism began when you lied and called me a racist. I decided if you want to call me racist, I might as well really be one instead of a faux racist and give you something to talk about.

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Feb 28, 2023 15:20:44   #
Big Kahuna
 
straightUp wrote:
LJB and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were indeed major factors in the party switch... So was the Brown v. Board of Education decision.

What always cracks me up about those who deny this part of our history is how they expect us to believe that everyone in the south magically went from being liberals to conservatives... Head scratcher, LOL.

The south has always been deeply conservative and they will resist any effort to change that... They actually fought a war to resist changes to their culture. And now they want us to believe the switch to the Republican party was because they voluntarily changed their culture? THAT's a knee-slapper!

LJB and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were indeed m... (show quote)


LBJ's Great Society was a dud. It certainly put blacks back in chains as it kept them impoverished and tied to the governments tits. After his Act passed, in spite of demorats voting against it, everything seemed to go to pot in the black community. LBJ uttered his famous words, "Those ni$$ers will vote Democrat for the next 100 years". And they have vote demorat for the last 60 years with 40 more to follow. What do they have to show for voting demorat; broken families, the murder of their babies, out of sight crimes, cities infested and infected with disease, burglaries proliferating, black on black murders,, black on white crimes,, black on Asian crime,,car jackings, lousy educational programs, lousy and corrupt leaders and rap music that glorifies cop killings. Yes, LBJ did the blacks real good, real good.

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Feb 28, 2023 15:26:59   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Why are you settling for Central Control by Rogue Supreme Court ?

Oooh... touche!

Milosia2 wrote:

Or by minority central control of the House of Representatives?

Another good point, House Republicans are practically held hostage by a handful of barely elected showboats.

Milosia2 wrote:

The question is who is controlling this central government?
The People ? The Majority?
The consent of the governed ?
Or is it just a minority of rich people calling all the shots ??

You probably know my answer to that one.

Milosia2 wrote:

And the Democratic Party is on the verge of having one less vote.
They’ve been screaming to get out the vote.
Like this will solve their problems.
I say , we have enough people already voting.
The Democratic Party needs to figure out why they’re not voting for them .

Unfortunately, a lot of people that WOULD vote Democratic if only they were better versed on the issues, are so busy with life that it's hard to find the time to get better versed on the issues.

Milosia2 wrote:

If they would embrace Bernies Policies , they would never lose .
And the republicans would have a reason not to vote for republicans .
Once they get past their little Marxist induced temper tantrums.
And decide to support
Of the people
By the people
And
For the people !
Call it whatever the hell you want .
Wouldn’t you rather not live like refugees. ?

Bernie is a pain in the ass for the neoliberals because unlike Trump who was limited to harmless trash-talking, Bernie is suggesting policies that actually put priority on the people, rather than the high-roller market players as the neoliberals do.

Bernie is the real "America First" champion. Trump is a fake.

The saddest thing about all this is how so many Americans, including every last Republican has been fooled into disarming themselves politically. The most powerful weapon available to free people, aside from education is democratic socialism. The plutocratic oligarchy that you were calling "a minority of rich people" know this and through a constant impedance to education and a barrage of fictional slippery-slope horror stories, they managed to convince millions of Americans that socialism will lead to communism and then to a land of gulags and misery.

It's like telling an army that they their guns will turn them into ducks if they don't don't drop them immediately.

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Feb 28, 2023 15:34:29   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
You can tell yourself whatever you want but since I'm not trying to save face, I can go by what the evidence shows.

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that conservative = racist. Conservatism is about preserving tradition. It just so happens that in the south, slavery WAS a tradition and even though the liberals from the north forced them to free their slaves almost 160 years ago that really only amounts to about five generations of southerners dealing with the frustration of being forced to treat black people as equals and that can really bring out the racism.

As for the political parties, yes the Democratic Party was the political platform that these frustrated, conservatives leaned on for a long time, but that party started to change in a direction that embraced racial equality and civil rights and the southern conservatives that refused to accept these values walked away. Some of them created a new party called the States' Rights Democratic Party, who's members were referred to as "Dixiecrats". But Nixon's Southern Strategy gave them an invitation to the more powerful Republican Party by appealing to their racism.

Today it's still the Republican party that caters to racism in the south in order to secure their their votes, mostly by opposing the liberal policies that promote racial equality. On a national level it's not so obvious because Republicans are also helping conservatives in places where slavery never happened and racism is not so prevalent such as in the west where conservatives are trying preserve their religious traditions. But at the state level, where politics are more confined to local culture it's a different story.

I think a lot of Republicans are having a hard time reconciling with all of this, especially the ones who aren't really racist. One way of escaping the guilt is to project on the Democrats. A favorite tactic is to criticize the Democratic attempts to equalize, saying how much it doesn't help black people, or that it makes black people more dependent or finding whatever can be construed as a failure.

Then there is the ol' fallback... referring to the old conservative Democratic Party of the 1920s and pretending the party hasn't changed since. The Internet is already filled with arguments denying the party switch and I'm sure some of the advocates of removing racial studies from schools would like to erase that history entirely.
You can tell yourself whatever you want but since ... (show quote)


No, political conservatism is NOT about preserving tradition, anymore than political liberalism is about trying new ideas.
You are apparently trying to define political parties by the dictionary meaning of their labels. Foolish, at the least.
Conservatives, as in politics, are about preserving what works (solving a problem or continuing a process that is good for Americans) until something provably better is proposed. It is about supporting the Constitution AS WRITTEN, and changing it ONLY through the Amendment process. It is about politicians and judges that hold to their oaths to support and defend that self same Constitution, and abide by the laws of the country. It is about holding the government, Federal State and Local, all to the standards set by our Founders, putting the AMERICAN people FIRST, and maximizing their freedoms compatible with a functional and just society.

That means, for you on the left, that We The People come first.....not our chosen party, not our political servants be they a president, senator, or congressperson. Not immigrants and not criminals. And not POC or women or gays or transgenders OVER and ABOVE any other citizens. The government or it's politicians or bureaucrats should NOT be trying to fix or adjust society. It should ALWAYS be acting without prejudice for or against ANYone. Period.

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Feb 28, 2023 15:36:22   #
Big Kahuna
 
straightUp wrote:
Bernie is a pain in the ass for the neoliberals because unlike Trump who was limited to trash-talking the "deep-state" Bernie is suggesting policies that actually put priority on the people, rather than the high-roller market players as the neoliberals do.

Bernie is the real "America First" champion. Trump is a fake.


Bernie and America First is an oxymoron. In fact you would be more believable if you said Bernie endorsed America Last. Bernie is no champion but he is a chumpion. He failed to fight Hitlery for the demorat choice for the Presidency and took her bribe of 2 nice mega-mansions overlooking pristine lakes which makes him the 2-faced fake and so called marxist that he is. Bernie is and always will be a chump. If you endorse Bernie you are endorsing the further destruction of our country.

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