TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

Who said this question was confined to part of the the school official “curriculum”? The point is, it is being promoted and done in schools (plural) and you claimed to say so, period, was a “homophobic lie.” Now you are trying to cover up your lies by redefining the statement on your terms.

Backdooring (pardon the pun) this program makes it even more despicable. It means they haven’t gone through the proper channels to get it approved. You know, like checking with parents and being upfront about it.

“Drag Queen Story Hour is back in New York City schools and libraries as though it never left— because it hasn't. After outrage from parents who didn't feel that their children needed to be read to about pronouns and non-binary toddlers by men and women costumed as the opposite sex, the City of New York continued funding, and expanding, Drag Queen Story Hour programs.
“Drag Queens funded with taxpayer dollars dress up and read to children in libraries, schools, parks and green spaces all over townand in every borough. Drag Queen Story hour is funded by New York City Councilmembers, who are able to use their discretionary funding to pay for the drag queens and kings to come read to children, and help them put on drag queen makeup…
“Drag Story Hour NYC routinely shares images of drag queens reading to students, whether in schools, libraries or elsewhere. They shared images of students at Queens middle school IS 93, where Bella Noche spoke to children.
The post said that Noche was discussing the children's book Melissa, by Alex Gino, with the students. The book is about a boy who wants to be a girl, and so really is a girl. "When people look at George, they see a boy. But George knows she's a girl," the description reads.” https://thepostmillennial.com/drag-story-hour-continues-taxpayer-funded-programming-in-nyc-schools-libraries

^^^notice the title of the article in the url^^^ “drag story hour…taxpayer funded…in nyc schools”

Okay, that’s NYC. But, again you were in error when you claimed it was “only one city”…

Then there is Philadelphia…

“Parents of first-graders at a popular Center City Philadelphia public school were outraged after they were sent a notification for a forthcoming drag queen story hour with their classroom.
“Fox News obtained an email sent to parents of a first-grade class at the Albert M. Greenfield School near Rittenhouse Square, telling them their child's classroom will be participating in Drag Queen Story Hour, with the missive going on to highlight the program's attributes and recent awards.” https://www.foxnews.com/media/drag-queen-story-hour-graders-philadelphia-school-outrages-parents

Then there is Thornton CO…

“THORNTON, Colo. (CBS4) — A school district has apologized to parents after hosting a drag queen as part of a career day. A spokesperson for Adams 12 Five Star schools said Rocky Top Middle School staff should have notified parents a drag queen would be speaking to their children before allowing the speech to happen…
“The drag queen, identified as a woman who goes by "Jessica L'Whor," is a relative of one student. The district confirmed she was invited to attend career day.” https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/adams-county-career-day-drag-queen/

So, a drag queen who goes by the name “Jessica L’Whor” is invited to speak at “career day”, and you think my concern comes from “homophobia?

Wrong! I don’t personally care if people are homosexuals. I have never had any homosexual tendencies, you’re just wrong in your imaginations in that regard. You’re just grasping at something you can charge me with to make yourself look better.

I care about them indoctrinating children who aren’t mature enough to consider such topics. Just like I would be concerned if prostitutes were to dress up in g-strings and nipple tassels and called it “whore-story-hour”, I’d be just as outraged. Or for that matter, even if a heterosexual couple came into age-inappropriate settings (like schools or libraries) and started flaunting sexually suggestive activities. Nope, not acceptable either. The way these activities and topics are being presented to young school-age children is simply not appropriate, it is downright immoral and amounts to sexual abuse of minors.

That is simple concern for children. Which apparently you and I have different morals about. Fine. You or they can teach your own children in the privacy of your own home. Oh, darn, homosexual relationships don’t make children on their own by which to “model” their “families” by. Surprise, surprise! Maybe there’s a reason for that! Maybe there’s a reason homosexual relationships are sterile and thus do not reproduce. I assure you, there is, whether you like it, accept it, or not.

You claimed…



You clearly didn’t dig deep enough. But first…

“Queer - of, relating to, or characterized by sexual or romantic attraction to members of one's own sex : GAY entry 1” Merriam-Webster Webster

When someone calls themselves “queer” it is generally understood they are referring to their sexual orientation as being “homosexual”.

Now then, if you would have read the “agenda”, the stated mission, of “drag queen story hour”, it is specifically to promote a “queer” lifestyle. This is their own words from their “about” page…

“What is Drag Story Hour?
“It’s just what it sounds like! Storytellers using the art of drag to read books to kids in libraries, schools, and bookstores.
 “DSH captures the imagination and play of the gender fluidity of childhood and gives kids glamorous, positive, and unabashedly queer role models.
 “In spaces like this, kids are able to see people who defy rigid gender restrictions and imagine a world where everyone can be their authentic selves!”
https://www.dragstoryhour.org/about

If they truly wanted to be good “role models” how about them simply acting like other adults and not flaunting their sexuality in front of kids, and instead be good role models as parents of stable households? Is that asking too much?

People’s “authentic selves” are who their chromosomes biologically determine them to be. That is what children should be taught in school. That is biological fact, science.

Show me one LGBTQ+ whatever who was ever able to change their chromosomes by choice or by thinking about it. They are in denial of who they are, and they are pressing toward demanding we comply with their “choices”. Being in denial of who you are is typically considered a mental health problem, not a “socially acceptable alternative lifestyle.” Such has been the”norm” that has served mankind well for all of man’s past known history. The relationship of one man and one woman is the basic building block of all of human society. If all of mankind converted to homosexuality the whole human race would be extinct in that generation. That is how unfruitful, and deadly, homosexuality is. It is destructive to the continuity of the “circle of life” of human beings, if not destructive to their individual moral being. Are they teaching that at “drag queen story hour”? But I digress.

Still not convinced their agenda is to indoctrinate young minds? Here, how about a personal testimony from one of the “storytellers”…

“Self-acceptance and self-love are what lead me to do drag. Once I learned how to embrace my femininity, I wanted to explore that and express it in a creative way. Drag is the perfect outlet for me to do so. Through DSH, I hope to be a positive, queer role model for kids. It’s important kids know that it’s okay to be different. Diversity is part of what makes humanity beautiful, and I’m just one example or facet of what that looks like."
-Cholula Lemon, Storyteller, DSH NYC, https://www.dragstoryhour.org/press

You and I obviously have different views of morality. And that is why there remains “irreconcilable differences” between us.

You will never convince me that it is socially or morally acceptable to flaunt homosexual lifestyles to children. Don’t change the subject as being about “free speech” in general. Now that would be a strawman!

straightUp Loc: California

'Still obsessing over me Rose?


Wrong again... The difference is that when I refer to "propaganda" I am referring to fabrications (and most people know that) and the "propaganda" that you think I am "repeating" is more likely the product of my own critical thinking and you just don't like it.

You're free to disagree, but there's no point in this endless attack on my character. it's like you're this living, breathing ad hominem fallacy. You're cool until I disagree with you and then it's all about me being "arrogant" or "disingenuous" and people don't like me....


oh-kay

Rose42

You have only proven the point about your arrogance. LOL



Nope, I’m not wrong. And again with the arrogance.



So now you want to play victim and claim ‘endless attacking’. How melodramatic. Oh my. Especially interesting when you so consistently do the same to others when they won’t agree with your opinion.

Its an anonymous forum. Who cares what anyone says and - put on your ‘critical thinking’ hat - its the posts that people go after.



Glad you agree.

straightUp Loc: California

Yeah, I think I've seen enough...


Don't worry, I have no such intention.


I'm not the one changing subjects here. In case you haven't noticed this is a thread about blue states and red states and here you are obsessing over drag queens and now it's homosexuals. And yes, your rants about these "drag queen hours" *IS* about free speech, whether you realize it or not. You're saying that these drag queens can't express themselves because it's indecent or immoral... whatever your justification, it's still an attack on the freedom of speech.


No... a strawman is telling me that I'm trying to convince you that it's socially or morally acceptable to flaunt homosexual lifestyles to children, when I'm not even talking about homosexuality.

Is that what you want to dig into now, you little weirdo?

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

No, our conversation is about I asked you one simple question to give you an opportunity to re-look at an accusation you made. You still can’t admit that there are drag queen hours in schools (whose stated purpose is indoctrinating kids to accepting queer lifestyles). The facts are contrary to what you claimed as a “homophobic lie”.

I picked one of several sub topics I believe you to be in error about because, honestly, in my mind this one should be a no-brainer. Kids don’t need grownups to indoctrinate them into “adult” aspects of sexuality. And you’re saying that makes me the weirdo? I guess I’m in good company with the mainstream of mankind’s history. Thank you very much.

straightUp Loc: California

What I am saying is a homophobic lie is the idea that there is a wide-spread adoption of "drag queen hours" in our school curriculums. All you you've managed to rustle up was ONE mention of an isolated case in NYC where the schools agreed to host a handful of events. After reading that, I adjusted my statement from calling the claim a "homophobic lie" to a "homophobic exaggeration."

As for indoctrination... fine, if that's what you want to call it. These drag queens are indeed trying to influence the thinking of these children so they can see past the bigotry which they often adopt from people like you who are by the same token, indoctrinating the children into believing queers are evil and should not be allowed in our society.

In other words, you're being a hypocrite.


There's nothing "adult" or "sexual" about what these drag queens are sharing with the children. Why would you think a man dressing as a women is a sexual act unless you personally get turned on by wearing women's clothing? Is that the deal? The drag queens are focused on the freedom to chose your own identity and more specifically, on the acceptance of those who's choices make them different.


Your obsession over drag queens and homosexuals does make me wonder.


Sadly, fools and victims can say the same thing.

TommyRadd Loc: Midwest USA

You better wake up…


“At a school board meeting in California on Tuesday, Mario Presents of Gays Against Groomers issued a scathing speech against the school district regarding the teaching of gender identity and sexual orientation to young students.
“Presents told the Conejo Valley School Board that he is the uncle of two students in the district. "It has come to our attention," he said, "that the district intends to teach transgenderism to children under the age of 10 without parental consent." https://thepostmillennial.com/gays-against-groomers-slams-california-school-board-for-pushing-gender-transition-on-students

From the embedded video in above link… speaking at a school board meeting…

“Gays against Groomers” have over 200,000 members in coalition”
“The district intends to teach transgenderism to children under the age of 10 without parental consent. If I was to teach your child about my sexuality, I’d be arrested, but when the school district does it, it’s education…
“Can you imagine the uproar if schools were evangelizing or baptizing without parental consent? Isn’t that sort of what you’re doing?…
“Simple truths based in science need to be upheld for our society to flourish. The gross indoctrination we’re seeing is creating a lifetime of medications and hormones because you can’t simply pause puberty. Men cannot become women and sex chromosomes are encoded into the fabric of our DNA. Simply affirming a teenagers gender is akin to affirming anorexia. Both are body disorders but we don’t teach the teen how to binge and purge to affirm that they are indeed overweight. However, school districts, including yours, seem to have no issue secretly teaching girls they can be boys if they feel uncomfortable in their bodies. A grown woman can’t get a hysterectomy without extensive medical forms and doctors visits, but doctor… over the hill in Sherman Oaks is willing to do top and bottom surgeries sterilizing children for life. Parents must be part of the education process when teaching sexuality to students and it definitely doesn’t need to happen under the age of 10 years old”.
-Mario Presents, representing “Gays Against Groomers”

Here is a blurb from the “Gays Against Groomers” “about” page…

“Gays Against Groomers directly opposes the sexualization and indoctrination of children. This includes drag queen story hours, drag shows involving children, the transitioning and medicalization of minors, and gender theory being taught in the classroom.
“The activists, backed by school boards, government, woke media, and corporations, have been speaking on our behalf for too long. When fighting for equality, our goal was to successfully integrate ourselves into society, but now these radicals aim to restructure it entirely in order to accommodate a fringe minority, as well as seek to indoctrinate children into their ideology.
 We’re saying NO.  
 There are millions of gays within the community that want nothing to do with this Alphabet religion and join the fight with parents and concerned people everywhere to protect children. We also aim to return sanity and reclaim the community we once called our own. 
 “The gay community is not a monolith. Those pushing this agenda do not represent or speak for us all, nor do we want to be associated with them in any way. What we are witnessing is mass scale child abuse being perpetrated on an entire generation, and we will no longer sit by and watch it happen.”
https://www.gaysagainstgroomers.com/about

Turns out, my position against “drag queen story hours” in school is something I have in common with “millions of gays”.

I guess, in your estimation, if you are consistent in your argument against my statements, that you would have to claim all these millions of homosexuals are homophobic because they are bothered by other homosexuals exercising what you claim is benign “freedom of speech.”

Notice how this coalition of gays group “transgendering” children as of the same ilk with their protest of drag queen story hour. You see, they recognize, like some of us more savvy straight folks, a Trojan horse when they see one.

Here’s a few videos to point you in the direction of the horrors of transgenderism that is also being taught to underage children (as exposed by the gay man quoted above and the gay community coalition he represents)…

https://youtu.be/JYZ4LIBHabA

By the way, the above video features Dave Rubin who is openly gay. You see, you don’t have to be straight to be concerned with the onslaught facing children today.


https://youtu.be/p90K88EdOXs


Seems to me you need to wake up and smell the coffee.