eagleye13 Loc: Fl

We are in agreement.

"[i] Please don't complicate Jesus with the Pharisees. " - Radiance3

I did not do that. There is a misunderstanding on that.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

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[i]Here are the following answers Ginny, why Juda was chosen!
Israelites. came from Jacob, the father of the 14 Tribes. But the closest ancestor where Jesus came from was Juda. In other words the rest have one step further . Why did God choose Juda to where the generation of Jesus came from?

Here are the very reasons why God chose Juda. Should have been Joseph. But please read this why Jacob trusted Juda on his promise to take back Benjamin when they were in Egypt to buy grain due to famine, or he'll take all responsibility if something happens.

I believe this is the final decision why Juda was chosen to carry the line of Jesus.
2. MARK JUDAH’S PLEDGE OF SAFETY.

[b] In Genesis 42, Jacob sends his sons to Egypt to seek food during the famine. Joseph recognizes them, and sends them home with food, but keeps Simeon until they return with Benjamin, his full brother , the only other son of Rachel. Jacob, having already lost one of his favorite sons, does not want Benjamin to go. But Judah steps forward, and now there’s a contrast with Reuben, and this time Judah is the positive side.

In Genesis 42:37, Reuben asks Jacob to send Benjamin and says, “Kill my two sons if I do not bring him back to you.” That’s a terrible idea! If a son is lost, then kill two grandsons? No, Jacob says, I will not trust you with my son.

But, then, in Genesis 43:8–9, Judah tries another approach.
“Judah said to Israel his father, ‘Send the boy with me, and we will arise and go, that we may live and not die, both we and you and also our little ones. 9. I will be a pledge of his safety. From my hand you shall require him. If I do not bring him back to you and set him before you, then let me bear the blame forever.’”

Reuben’s idea was horrible. Juda is honorable. “I will be a pledge of his safety.” “I will bear the blame for him.” (Which might remind us of righteous Rebecca’s assuring words to her son Jacob in Genesis 27:13, “Let your curse be on me, my son.” [/i],[/quote]

The 4th son of Jacob was JUDAH, not Juda. He was Mary's ancestor.

One thing you have to realize is that the Ashkenazis altered the Bible in the 18th century. They inserted themselves in place of the Israelites so they could claim to be the "chosen" of God. They have repeated this lie ever since because in their mind, "a lie repeated often enough becomes truth." It's quite apparent that many of today's Christians have bought that lie.

Radiance3

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I think you are reading a different book Ginny. I'll stay with the original Bible that I have already described above. Thank you.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

No, it's the same book - but it's been altered, and those who did the altering will face the consequences.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

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[i]Here are the following answers Ginny, why Juda was chosen!
Israelites. came from Jacob, the father of the 14 Tribes. But the closest ancestor where Jesus came from was Juda. In other words the rest have one step further . Why did God choose Juda to where the generation of Jesus came from?[/quote]

Jacob was the father of TWELVE (12) tribes, not 14!!

https://www.conformingtojesus.com/charts-maps/en/12_tribes_of_israel_chart.htm

The 12 sons of Jacob and Patriarchs of the 12 Tribes of Israel

The 12 Tribes of Israel descended from the patriarch Jacob, son of Isaac and grandson of Abraham, who was renamed Israel and gave his name to the nation.

Jacob's 12 sons in order of birth are: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph and Benjamin.

They became the Patriarchs of the 12 Tribes of Israel, with the exception of Joseph and Levi.

Joseph's two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, who were adopted by Jacob, became the Patriarchs of two tribes (Genesis 48:5-6). Reuben lost his rights as firstborn, as he had defiled his father's bed (Gen. 35:22 - 49:3-4), thus, his inheritance was divided between the two sons of Joseph.

The Levites became the priesthood of the nation of Israel and are not counted among the Patriarchs of the 12 Tribes of Israel. When the land was divided, their tribe did not receive any land; 48 cities scattered around Israel and located within the territories of the other tribes were allotted to them.

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To Judah, Jacob said that he was to receive the blessing as king and rule over his descendants spiritually and that this blessing would not depart from him until the coming of the promised Messiah, in other words, Jacob prophesied that Jesus was going to descend from his line. Judah had shown repentance of his sins multiple times.

Radiance3

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So you now agree that Jesus descended from the Tribe of Juda. I am sure of that,

Here are the descendants of Levi the Priest.
Moses came from the Tribe of Levi
Joshua who succeeded Moses, descended from Ephraim, son of Joseph.

Tribe of Levi


Descendants of Levi

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

Why are you showing the descendants of the Levis? They're not related to Jesus and they never inherited any land. They were just priest in several cities. You've changed the subject but you've never answered the question!

Radiance3

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That was what I have been telling you that Jesus came from Juda. And I wrote the scriptures explaining why.

I showed the Levi descendants to let you know that Jesus did NOT descend from Levi but from the Tribe of Juda. God had purposely selected Juda as the ancestor of Jesus. And I the scriptures had proven it right. I wrote that there in detail.

What subject did I change? I never change my position. I have been consistent all the way. I said, since the beginning I will not change my position and stand for the fact that Jesus came from Juda.

That presentation of LEVI ancestry was presented to prove to you that your assertion that Jesus came from LEVI was wrong.

Jesus came from Juda as I has given you yesterday all the generations where JESUS came from the beginning up to his birth.

You insisted earlier claimed that Jesus was an Israelite, and came from Levi. Now, you are turning it around and reverse your story.

Dear Lord: I have the synopsis ahead of this , all what I have written explaining that Jesus came from Juda. Please go back and read all of them!. They were all written.

Please don't turn around when you are caught wrong. Thank you. We should be honest about this. We are talking about the word of God. Please accept when you are wrong. I won't count that against you, cause no one is perfect.
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Here is the statement coming from your writing yesterday, stating that Jesus was an Israelite, a direct descendant of Levi. This was copied from your report. Go back and check it.

From Ginny: Quote} The fact that modern day Jews want us to think they are descended from Israelites is one of the greatest intentional lies, or misunderstandings, in all of history. Jesus was an Israelite. He was a direct descendant of Levi through Aaron.1 Levi was a son of Jacob.

Ginny, you also wrote this: Excerpt:
Why then, does everyone say that Jesus was a Jew? Most people think that Jesus was a Jew, but Jesus was an Israelite, not a Jew. Israelites were the ones who were called the chosen people of God.5 Edomites, and their descendants, now called Jews, are not the chosen people. The fact that modern day Jews want us to think they are descended from Israelites is one of the greatest intentional lies, or misunderstandings, in all of history. Jesus was an Israelite.

whole2th

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Larai Loc: Fallon, NV

Thank you whole2th! It's about time to get this back to the actual subject matter.. I honestly don't get how most topics on OPP morph into something that does NOT even remotely resemble to subject matter!.. Honestly it's irritating how topics, even some of the ones I post, tend to morph into something that doesn't even remotely resemble the topic matter.. I mean really, I didn't get involved in this topic to deal with religion in the same breath as politics.

WTAF Does Religion have to do with how we feel about Trump FFS!!.. This almost proves my point a while back that TDS seems to run on BOTH sides of the isle!!.. Some that feel he can do no wrong, and others that feel he can do no right.. and it screams of TDS on both sides of the isle! Keep in Mind~ NO ONE IS PERFECT!! Period.. Full Stop!

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

So, what you're saying is that Judah was a Jew? That's not possible!

I didn't say Jesus was a descendant of Levi's - that was a quote from the website.

https://highlanderjuan.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Benjamin-H-Freedman-Speech-at-the-Willard-Hotel-1961.pdf

excerpt:

In 1345, a man by the name of Wycliffe in England thought that it was time to translate the Bible into English. There was no English edition of the Bible because who the Devil could read? It was only the educated church people who could read Latin and Greek, Syriac, Aramaic and the other languages. Anyhow, Wycliffe translated the Bible into English. But in it, he had to look around for some words for Judaeas and Judaius.

There was no English word because Judea had passed out of existence. There was no Judea. People had long ago forgotten that. So in the first translation he used the word, in referring to Jesus, as 'gyu', "jew". At the time, there was no printing press.

Then, between 1345 and the 17th century, when the press came into use, that word passed through so many changes... I have them all here. If you want I can read them to you. I will. That word 'gyu' which was in the Wycliffe Bible became...first it was 'gyu', then 'giu', then 'iu'(because the 'i' in Latin is pronounced like the ' j '.Julius Caesar is ' Iul ' because there is no 'j' in Latin) then ' iuw ', then 'ieuu', then 'ieuy', then 'iwe', then' iow', then 'iewe',all in Bibles as time went on. Then' ieue ', then ' iue ', then ' ive ', and then ' ivw ', and finally in the 18th century... ' jew '. Jew.

All the corrupt and contracted forms for Judaius, and Judaeas in Latin. Now, there was no such thing as 'Jew', and any theologian -- I've lectured in maybe 20 of the most prominent theological seminaries in this country, and two in Europe -- there was no such word as Jew. There only was Judea, and Jesus was a Judean and the first English use of a word in an English bible to describe him was 'gyu' -- Jew. A contracted and shortened form of Judaeus, just the same as we call a laboratory a 'lab', and gasoline 'gas'... a tendency to short up.

So, in England there were no public schools; people didn't know how to read; it looked like a scrambled alphabet so they made a short word out of it. Now for a theologian to say that you can't harm the Jews, is just ridiculous. I'd like to know where in the scriptures it says that. I'd like to know the text.

Look at what happened to Germany for touching Jews. What would you, as a citizen of the United States, do to people who did to you what the so-called Jews -- the Pollacks and Litvaks and Litzianers - - they weren't Jews, as I just explained to you. They were Eastern Europeans who'd been converted to Talmudism. There was no such thing as Judaism. Judaism was a name given in recent years to this religion known in Bible history as Torah [inaudible]. No Jew or no educated person ever heard of Judaism. It didn't exist. They pulled it out of the air. . . a meaningless word.

Just like 'anti-Semitic'. The Arab is a Semite. And the Christians talk about people who don't like Jews as anti-Semites, and they call all the Arabs anti-Semites. The only Semites in the world are the Arabs. There isn't one Jew who's a Semite. They're all Turkothean Mongoloids. The Eastern european Jews. So, they brainwashed the public, and if you will invite me to meet this reverend who told you these things, I'll convince him and it'll be one step in the right direction. I'll go wherever I have to go to meet him.

Radiance3

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Ginny, nice to see you again. The word Jew, here it is. There are many reasons why Jesus was a Jew.
The English term Jew originates in the Biblical Hebrew word Yehudi, meaning "from the Kingdom of Judah". It passed into Greek as Ioudaios and Latin as Iudaeus, which evolved into the Old French giu after the letter "d" was dropped.

After that time, the word Yehudi could properly be used to describe anyone from the kingdom of Judah, which included the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, as well as scattered settlements from other tribes. The most obvious biblical example of this usage is in Esther 2:5, where Mordecai is referred to as both a Yehudi and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

Here is another description of what a Jew is.
Originally, the term Yehudi referred specifically to members of the tribe of Judah, as distinguished from the other tribes of Israel. However, after the death of King Solomon, the nation of Israel was split into two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah: and the kingdom of Israel (I Kings 12; II Chronicles 10).

And Jesus was a Jew because the Virgin mother Mary descended by the tribe of Juda to King Solomon. Mother Mary descended from King Solomon. If the mother is a Jew, the child is also a Jew. That was how their ancestry developed.
That was why Jesus is called the Jewish Jesus. through blood line.
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I think those who live around the world and claim to be Jews, are not by blood line but by conversion to Judaism. Or of a Jewish mother married a Christian father, the children still has to be Jewish.

Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest

MARY WAS NOT A JEW! DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST?

Larai Loc: Fallon, NV

What the Actual FK are you even talking about!! What the Actual Fk do you expect to gain by pushing your idea of Judaism????!!!? I'm Gettin Tired of your Version of Judaism!! Which BY The Way has ZERO to do with How we feel about Trump! Knock it off your making yourself sound Foolish Ginny, and I had hoped you were one of the more sane ones here on OPP, but my View is Changing in a Major way!.. in short, your PISSIN ME OFF!!

Radiance3

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Mary was a descendant from, King Solomon! Check the first display of their ancestry, in prior page.