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Fentanyl: Yes, It's A Crisis
Dec 12, 2022 10:25:24   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
I wish I had written the following article. The situation with Fentanyl in this country is far worse than most people realize.

Failures and Failing Trust
ERICK-WOODS ERICKSON
DEC 12


My friend Joe Cunningham sent me this piece. He said it was a must-read. I think he’s right that it probably is the most important story of the day.

We are in a fentanyl crisis in the country and hundreds of thousands of people are going to die and many millions more will be affected.

If you don’t understand the problem, let me put it very simply from a story I was reading the other day — with cocaine, marijuana, 1990’s methamphetamine, or a lot of other drugs, the addiction does not start the first time. Sure, you are more susceptible to addiction, but you could snort a small bit of cocaine and walk away, assuming you don’t have a heart attack or it is not laced with something.

With the form of meth being brought into the United States now and, especially with fentanyl, addiction is immediate at consumption. The addiction is so powerful that you will be willing to sell your children for sex, your house, your car, quit your job, live in a gutter, and prostitute yourself for just one more fix. It will eventually kill you, and you, more likely than not, will ever be rid of the addiction, no matter how hard you fight it.

Fentanyl is so addictive that the United States no longer has a heroin problem. Fentanyl outperforms heroin, with a higher addiction rate and a higher chance of no recovery.

Read that last paragraph again. Seriously.

Now, fentanyl is being used to lace other drugs to make those drugs more addictive and potent. So the cocaine that you might have once been able to walk away from is now the addictive gateway drug to fentanyl.

From the Washington Post:

The American fentanyl crisis deepened during the coronavirus pandemic. From 2019 to 2021, fatal overdoses surged 94 percent, and an estimated 196 Americans are now dying each day from the drug — the equivalent of a fully loaded Boeing 757-200 crashing and killing everyone on board.

This is not the failure of one presidential administration. This is the failure of three. The crisis began during the Obama years and is still running. Neither the administrations of Obama, Trump, or Biden could stem the tide.

Yes, it has a lot to do with an insecure border. But that is not the only problem. It has to do with agency turf wars, failures to disseminate information, etc.

When Rome entered the crisis of the third century, the Roman bureaucracy was able to keep the empire going. America might not make it to a third century if we do not fix our bureaucracy.

Reform should be a bipartisan issue, but both sides have entrenched views and lobbyists who don’t want bipartisan reform. Instead, both sides seek concessions to their friends and donors.

President Donald Trump took office just as the fentanyl epidemic was about to explode. He promised to build a wall along the U.S. southern border that he said would stop drugs. But Mexican traffickers were sneaking fentanyl right through the front door, hidden in passenger vehicles and commercial trucks passing through official ports of entry in California and Arizona. Today, the partisan border debate in Washington remains fixated on a physical structure that is virtually useless for stopping the deadliest drug U.S. agents have ever faced.

Since President Biden took office, his administration has amplified a public messaging campaign to warn about fentanyl’s mortal threat — “One Pill Can Kill.” He has stepped up efforts to improve scanning technology at border crossings and repair a broken counternarcotics partnership with Mexico. But with Republicans blaming Biden’s border policies for record numbers of immigration arrests, the president and many of his top officials have said little about the skyrocketing amount of fentanyl entering the country.

Our government is failing us. The failure is both bipartisan and bureaucratic. This is just one of the issues.

We’ve seen COVID policy failures at the state and federal levels. We’re seeing an entirely new social contagion sweep through public health systems whereby they embrace and encourage children to commit genital mutilation. We’ve seen a collapse of our public education system.

Some of them are failures of progressivism. But a common thread runs through — our bureaucrats are failing. The nonpartisans have become partisan. The open has become closed. The agencies have become fiefdoms unwilling to share and collaborate. That last is not a new problem, but it is worse today.

A president should not need a new czar to make Washington work. It should be done because it is the right and good thing to do. But something must happen and some one or some group must be empowered to stop the spread of fentanyl into the United States.

For all the other problems from which progressives and conservatives can be divided, there should be no division here. The flow must be stopped. The tide must be made to recede.

This is a crisis, and leaders across the aisle need to rise to the occasion.

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Dec 12, 2022 10:45:20   #
pegw
 
Biden has very little to do with the fentanyl crisis. It was in full swing by the time he became vice president. It is smuggled into the US by the cartels, usually across legal border crossings, not through immigrants crossing the border. I don't belive fentanyl is more or less adictive than opiates. It is unlikely that it is adictive after just once time that you have had it. I was given fentanyl twice in my life, in a hospital setting, and although it was really pleasant, I never got addicted, nor did I have any cravings. The real problem with fentanyl is that it is so concentrated. A grain of salt sized dose can kill you. So a sandwich sized baggie full of fentanyl can be a life time supply.
My point is can't we stop this at the point of manufacture? The drug companies re selling it to the cartels

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Dec 12, 2022 11:52:28   #
American Vet
 
pegw wrote:
Biden has very little to do with the fentanyl crisis. It was in full swing by the time he became vice president. It is smuggled into the US by the cartels, usually across legal border crossings, not through immigrants crossing the border.

Total BS: FJB could shut down the border - that would go a long way to solve several of the problems immediately.


I don't belive fentanyl is more or less adictive than opiates. It is unlikely that it is adictive after just once time that you have had it. I was given fentanyl twice in my life, in a hospital setting, and although it was really pleasant, I never got addicted, nor did I have any cravings. The real problem with fentanyl is that it is so concentrated. A grain of salt sized dose can kill you. So a sandwich sized baggie full of fentanyl can be a life time supply.
My point is can't we stop this at the point of manufacture? The drug companies re selling it to the cartels


Again total BS: The cartels make their own.

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Dec 12, 2022 11:59:27   #
Big Bass
 
pegw wrote:
Biden has very little to do with the fentanyl crisis. It was in full swing by the time he became vice president. It is smuggled into the US by the cartels, usually across legal border crossings, not through immigrants crossing the border. I don't belive fentanyl is more or less adictive than opiates. It is unlikely that it is adictive after just once time that you have had it. I was given fentanyl twice in my life, in a hospital setting, and although it was really pleasant, I never got addicted, nor did I have any cravings. The real problem with fentanyl is that it is so concentrated. A grain of salt sized dose can kill you. So a sandwich sized baggie full of fentanyl can be a life time supply.
My point is can't we stop this at the point of manufacture? The drug companies re selling it to the cartels
Biden has very little to do with the fentanyl cris... (show quote)


Why don’t you swallow a handful of fentanyl and find out just how addictive this stuff is?

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Dec 12, 2022 12:02:12   #
Big Bass
 
American Vet wrote:
Biden has very little to do with the fentanyl crisis. It was in full swing by the time he became vice president. It is smuggled into the US by the cartels, usually across legal border crossings, not through immigrants crossing the border.

Total BS: FJB could shut down the border - that would go a long way to solve several of the problems immediately.


I don't belive fentanyl is more or less adictive than opiates. It is unlikely that it is adictive after just once time that you have had it. I was given fentanyl twice in my life, in a hospital setting, and although it was really pleasant, I never got addicted, nor did I have any cravings. The real problem with fentanyl is that it is so concentrated. A
grain of salt sized dose can kill you. So a sandwich sized baggie full of fentanyl can be a life time supply.
My point is can't we stop this at the point of manufacture? The drug companies re selling it to the cartels


Again total BS: The cartels make their own.
i Biden has very little to do with the fentanyl c... (show quote)

The drug companies don’t manufacture the drug, the Chinese do.

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Dec 12, 2022 12:23:32   #
American Vet
 
Big Bass wrote:
The drug companies don’t manufacture the drug, the Chinese do.


Both - the Chinese do and the cartels have their own 'farms' in Mexico, etc.....

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Dec 12, 2022 12:29:49   #
Big Bass
 
American Vet wrote:
Both - the Chinese do and the cartels have their own 'farms' in Mexico, etc.....

It must be relatively easy to make.

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Dec 12, 2022 16:14:33   #
American Vet
 
Big Bass wrote:
It must be relatively easy to make.


Most drugs can be made 'at home' - some fairly easily. Many places have problems with 'meth labs'.

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Dec 12, 2022 19:22:15   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
I wish I had written the following article. The situation with Fentanyl in this country is far worse than most people realize.

Failures and Failing Trust
ERICK-WOODS ERICKSON
DEC 12


My friend Joe Cunningham sent me this piece. He said it was a must-read. I think he’s right that it probably is the most important story of the day.

We are in a fentanyl crisis in the country and hundreds of thousands of people are going to die and many millions more will be affected.

If you don’t understand the problem, let me put it very simply from a story I was reading the other day — with cocaine, marijuana, 1990’s methamphetamine, or a lot of other drugs, the addiction does not start the first time. Sure, you are more susceptible to addiction, but you could snort a small bit of cocaine and walk away, assuming you don’t have a heart attack or it is not laced with something.

With the form of meth being brought into the United States now and, especially with fentanyl, addiction is immediate at consumption. The addiction is so powerful that you will be willing to sell your children for sex, your house, your car, quit your job, live in a gutter, and prostitute yourself for just one more fix. It will eventually kill you, and you, more likely than not, will ever be rid of the addiction, no matter how hard you fight it.

Fentanyl is so addictive that the United States no longer has a heroin problem. Fentanyl outperforms heroin, with a higher addiction rate and a higher chance of no recovery.

Read that last paragraph again. Seriously.

Now, fentanyl is being used to lace other drugs to make those drugs more addictive and potent. So the cocaine that you might have once been able to walk away from is now the addictive gateway drug to fentanyl.

From the Washington Post:

The American fentanyl crisis deepened during the coronavirus pandemic. From 2019 to 2021, fatal overdoses surged 94 percent, and an estimated 196 Americans are now dying each day from the drug — the equivalent of a fully loaded Boeing 757-200 crashing and killing everyone on board.

This is not the failure of one presidential administration. This is the failure of three. The crisis began during the Obama years and is still running. Neither the administrations of Obama, Trump, or Biden could stem the tide.

Yes, it has a lot to do with an insecure border. But that is not the only problem. It has to do with agency turf wars, failures to disseminate information, etc.

When Rome entered the crisis of the third century, the Roman bureaucracy was able to keep the empire going. America might not make it to a third century if we do not fix our bureaucracy.

Reform should be a bipartisan issue, but both sides have entrenched views and lobbyists who don’t want bipartisan reform. Instead, both sides seek concessions to their friends and donors.

President Donald Trump took office just as the fentanyl epidemic was about to explode. He promised to build a wall along the U.S. southern border that he said would stop drugs. But Mexican traffickers were sneaking fentanyl right through the front door, hidden in passenger vehicles and commercial trucks passing through official ports of entry in California and Arizona. Today, the partisan border debate in Washington remains fixated on a physical structure that is virtually useless for stopping the deadliest drug U.S. agents have ever faced.

Since President Biden took office, his administration has amplified a public messaging campaign to warn about fentanyl’s mortal threat — “One Pill Can Kill.” He has stepped up efforts to improve scanning technology at border crossings and repair a broken counternarcotics partnership with Mexico. But with Republicans blaming Biden’s border policies for record numbers of immigration arrests, the president and many of his top officials have said little about the skyrocketing amount of fentanyl entering the country.

Our government is failing us. The failure is both bipartisan and bureaucratic. This is just one of the issues.

We’ve seen COVID policy failures at the state and federal levels. We’re seeing an entirely new social contagion sweep through public health systems whereby they embrace and encourage children to commit genital mutilation. We’ve seen a collapse of our public education system.

Some of them are failures of progressivism. But a common thread runs through — our bureaucrats are failing. The nonpartisans have become partisan. The open has become closed. The agencies have become fiefdoms unwilling to share and collaborate. That last is not a new problem, but it is worse today.

A president should not need a new czar to make Washington work. It should be done because it is the right and good thing to do. But something must happen and some one or some group must be empowered to stop the spread of fentanyl into the United States.

For all the other problems from which progressives and conservatives can be divided, there should be no division here. The flow must be stopped. The tide must be made to recede.

This is a crisis, and leaders across the aisle need to rise to the occasion.
I wish I had written the following article. The si... (show quote)


Do what Singapore, China, Japan, or other Asian nations do and crack down on dealers AND users...

Or go the Philippine route

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Dec 13, 2022 06:42:48   #
Big dog
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
I wish I had written the following article. The situation with Fentanyl in this country is far worse than most people realize.

Failures and Failing Trust
ERICK-WOODS ERICKSON
DEC 12


My friend Joe Cunningham sent me this piece. He said it was a must-read. I think he’s right that it probably is the most important story of the day.

We are in a fentanyl crisis in the country and hundreds of thousands of people are going to die and many millions more will be affected.

If you don’t understand the problem, let me put it very simply from a story I was reading the other day — with cocaine, marijuana, 1990’s methamphetamine, or a lot of other drugs, the addiction does not start the first time. Sure, you are more susceptible to addiction, but you could snort a small bit of cocaine and walk away, assuming you don’t have a heart attack or it is not laced with something.

With the form of meth being brought into the United States now and, especially with fentanyl, addiction is immediate at consumption. The addiction is so powerful that you will be willing to sell your children for sex, your house, your car, quit your job, live in a gutter, and prostitute yourself for just one more fix. It will eventually kill you, and you, more likely than not, will ever be rid of the addiction, no matter how hard you fight it.

Fentanyl is so addictive that the United States no longer has a heroin problem. Fentanyl outperforms heroin, with a higher addiction rate and a higher chance of no recovery.

Read that last paragraph again. Seriously.

Now, fentanyl is being used to lace other drugs to make those drugs more addictive and potent. So the cocaine that you might have once been able to walk away from is now the addictive gateway drug to fentanyl.

From the Washington Post:

The American fentanyl crisis deepened during the coronavirus pandemic. From 2019 to 2021, fatal overdoses surged 94 percent, and an estimated 196 Americans are now dying each day from the drug — the equivalent of a fully loaded Boeing 757-200 crashing and killing everyone on board.

This is not the failure of one presidential administration. This is the failure of three. The crisis began during the Obama years and is still running. Neither the administrations of Obama, Trump, or Biden could stem the tide.

Yes, it has a lot to do with an insecure border. But that is not the only problem. It has to do with agency turf wars, failures to disseminate information, etc.

When Rome entered the crisis of the third century, the Roman bureaucracy was able to keep the empire going. America might not make it to a third century if we do not fix our bureaucracy.

Reform should be a bipartisan issue, but both sides have entrenched views and lobbyists who don’t want bipartisan reform. Instead, both sides seek concessions to their friends and donors.

President Donald Trump took office just as the fentanyl epidemic was about to explode. He promised to build a wall along the U.S. southern border that he said would stop drugs. But Mexican traffickers were sneaking fentanyl right through the front door, hidden in passenger vehicles and commercial trucks passing through official ports of entry in California and Arizona. Today, the partisan border debate in Washington remains fixated on a physical structure that is virtually useless for stopping the deadliest drug U.S. agents have ever faced.

Since President Biden took office, his administration has amplified a public messaging campaign to warn about fentanyl’s mortal threat — “One Pill Can Kill.” He has stepped up efforts to improve scanning technology at border crossings and repair a broken counternarcotics partnership with Mexico. But with Republicans blaming Biden’s border policies for record numbers of immigration arrests, the president and many of his top officials have said little about the skyrocketing amount of fentanyl entering the country.

Our government is failing us. The failure is both bipartisan and bureaucratic. This is just one of the issues.

We’ve seen COVID policy failures at the state and federal levels. We’re seeing an entirely new social contagion sweep through public health systems whereby they embrace and encourage children to commit genital mutilation. We’ve seen a collapse of our public education system.

Some of them are failures of progressivism. But a common thread runs through — our bureaucrats are failing. The nonpartisans have become partisan. The open has become closed. The agencies have become fiefdoms unwilling to share and collaborate. That last is not a new problem, but it is worse today.

A president should not need a new czar to make Washington work. It should be done because it is the right and good thing to do. But something must happen and some one or some group must be empowered to stop the spread of fentanyl into the United States.

For all the other problems from which progressives and conservatives can be divided, there should be no division here. The flow must be stopped. The tide must be made to recede.

This is a crisis, and leaders across the aisle need to rise to the occasion.
I wish I had written the following article. The si... (show quote)


I’ll say it again; fentanyl is a chemical warfare agent and the United States is under attack! The Chinese are supplying it to the Mexican cartels and the cartels are spreading it north through the open border!
It’s an attack that could be stopped, if we had a serious POTUS that would be willing to send our troops into Mexico and force a change to our south, for as far south as necessary!!

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Dec 13, 2022 13:10:52   #
MidnightRider
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
I wish I had written the following article. The situation with Fentanyl in this country is far worse than most people realize.

Failures and Failing Trust
ERICK-WOODS ERICKSON
DEC 12


My friend Joe Cunningham sent me this piece. He said it was a must-read. I think he’s right that it probably is the most important story of the day.

We are in a fentanyl crisis in the country and hundreds of thousands of people are going to die and many millions more will be affected.

If you don’t understand the problem, let me put it very simply from a story I was reading the other day — with cocaine, marijuana, 1990’s methamphetamine, or a lot of other drugs, the addiction does not start the first time. Sure, you are more susceptible to addiction, but you could snort a small bit of cocaine and walk away, assuming you don’t have a heart attack or it is not laced with something.

With the form of meth being brought into the United States now and, especially with fentanyl, addiction is immediate at consumption. The addiction is so powerful that you will be willing to sell your children for sex, your house, your car, quit your job, live in a gutter, and prostitute yourself for just one more fix. It will eventually kill you, and you, more likely than not, will ever be rid of the addiction, no matter how hard you fight it.

Fentanyl is so addictive that the United States no longer has a heroin problem. Fentanyl outperforms heroin, with a higher addiction rate and a higher chance of no recovery.

Read that last paragraph again. Seriously.

Now, fentanyl is being used to lace other drugs to make those drugs more addictive and potent. So the cocaine that you might have once been able to walk away from is now the addictive gateway drug to fentanyl.

From the Washington Post:

The American fentanyl crisis deepened during the coronavirus pandemic. From 2019 to 2021, fatal overdoses surged 94 percent, and an estimated 196 Americans are now dying each day from the drug — the equivalent of a fully loaded Boeing 757-200 crashing and killing everyone on board.

This is not the failure of one presidential administration. This is the failure of three. The crisis began during the Obama years and is still running. Neither the administrations of Obama, Trump, or Biden could stem the tide.

Yes, it has a lot to do with an insecure border. But that is not the only problem. It has to do with agency turf wars, failures to disseminate information, etc.

When Rome entered the crisis of the third century, the Roman bureaucracy was able to keep the empire going. America might not make it to a third century if we do not fix our bureaucracy.

Reform should be a bipartisan issue, but both sides have entrenched views and lobbyists who don’t want bipartisan reform. Instead, both sides seek concessions to their friends and donors.

President Donald Trump took office just as the fentanyl epidemic was about to explode. He promised to build a wall along the U.S. southern border that he said would stop drugs. But Mexican traffickers were sneaking fentanyl right through the front door, hidden in passenger vehicles and commercial trucks passing through official ports of entry in California and Arizona. Today, the partisan border debate in Washington remains fixated on a physical structure that is virtually useless for stopping the deadliest drug U.S. agents have ever faced.

Since President Biden took office, his administration has amplified a public messaging campaign to warn about fentanyl’s mortal threat — “One Pill Can Kill.” He has stepped up efforts to improve scanning technology at border crossings and repair a broken counternarcotics partnership with Mexico. But with Republicans blaming Biden’s border policies for record numbers of immigration arrests, the president and many of his top officials have said little about the skyrocketing amount of fentanyl entering the country.

Our government is failing us. The failure is both bipartisan and bureaucratic. This is just one of the issues.

We’ve seen COVID policy failures at the state and federal levels. We’re seeing an entirely new social contagion sweep through public health systems whereby they embrace and encourage children to commit genital mutilation. We’ve seen a collapse of our public education system.

Some of them are failures of progressivism. But a common thread runs through — our bureaucrats are failing. The nonpartisans have become partisan. The open has become closed. The agencies have become fiefdoms unwilling to share and collaborate. That last is not a new problem, but it is worse today.

A president should not need a new czar to make Washington work. It should be done because it is the right and good thing to do. But something must happen and some one or some group must be empowered to stop the spread of fentanyl into the United States.

For all the other problems from which progressives and conservatives can be divided, there should be no division here. The flow must be stopped. The tide must be made to recede.

This is a crisis, and leaders across the aisle need to rise to the occasion.
I wish I had written the following article. The si... (show quote)


Hell, fentanyl was coming in 'great guns' as they say, under GW. So go back further.

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Dec 13, 2022 16:20:47   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
MidnightRider wrote:
Hell, fentanyl was coming in 'great guns' as they say, under GW. So go back further.



Fentanyl was invented in 1959. It did not start becoming a problem until about 2010. It has exploded during the Senile Shitweasel's administration.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10890

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fentanyl-seizures-border-continue-spike-making-san-diego-national-epicenter-fentanyl

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