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Jul 11, 2014 11:42:34   #
Comment Loc: California
 
kattmanduu wrote:
Ok. I see someone thinks they are an expert on the Constitution, great why not demand that it be taught in all our schools at all levels.
We the People have all the power, not the government, we do give the government some of it to do stuff for us, like ensure our safety, security, freedom, liberty, and last but not least welfare. What does all that entail? Safety, what does that mean? Safe from what? Having a safe environment to live freely in is a good thing for us all. That's a good start. Safe roads for our free travel is a good thing too. A safe work place is also nice to have. Like safe food that is good to eat, and clean water to drink and clean air to breath they are good things too. That is just the tip of the iceberg of safety. Now let's move along to security. What does that mean to you? We all have our own opinion of what it means for the most part. Keeping our nation secure from outside invasion is a good thing. Why is it that most of our DOD forces are stationed thousands of miles away from our borders or shores? That does not prevent foreigners from crossing the borders illegally. Our border patrol isn't able to do it either, our we wouldn't have the problems with illegals in this country. So let's bring all our troops home and station them on our actual physical borders and actually defend our nation, not the international corporations interests or those of a few foreign states that have gained access to our government and try to manipulate it for their own purposes. It seems that now our government is more concerned about it's own "security" than it is about that of the people they are supposed to be representing, has been that way since 1946 and the establishment of the CIA by the corporations of what is called the "military industrial complex".
Now for our "freedoms, liberty or rights". With each of those comes an equal "responsibility" we each must bear. Your rights do not trump mine or those of others and visa-versa. You have religious freedoms that are equal to mine, and the state shall not have any rights nor can the state support religion. That means you or I cannot demand the state to make the beliefs or teachings of any religion the law of the land. That would be no better than sharia law that we see in other countries. Just because you think that your religion/belief is the only right one does not make it so. The Constitution allows for the people to choose whatever religion they want and for the state not have any at all. Just because other people may choose to live a different way that is contrary to your beliefs/religion is not a good enough reason to make their choices against the law. Thomas Paine would be up in arms again today if he were to see how this nation that he gave his all for is acting today.
Now for "welfare". To look out for the welfare of the people, all the people of this nation is the responsibility of the government. What does that word "welfare" mean to you? It has several definitions in the dictionary and the the one that stood out the most was the one that implied the well being or health of someone, or people. A healthy population makes for a better nation, a stronger work force and resulting economy overall. It's not about giving something for nothing "free" as these tea baggers like to say. Its about what we all get in return when there is positive results. Our welfare leads back to a safe environment and safe food, air and water to name a few things that are helpful in maintaining our health/welfare, good medical care also goes hand in hand with that. It's not free, we the people pay for it with the income taxes from our work, the sales taxes we pay when we buy goods and services. No business is guaranteed a profit in our Constitution, but they are free to try to do so as long as they can play by all the rules that the rest of the people have to go by. To destroy the environment for profit is not conducive to our safety or welfare so all these corporations don't have any right to do so.
I do think that I was on topic here, it was about the Constitution and what it is for us as the people who own it. I am an Independent voter and do not subscribe to the ideals of those on the left or the right. They both are totally wrong for our nation as a whole and are the reason you say we are being destroyed from within.
Ok. I see someone thinks they are an expert on the... (show quote)


Hell, the BS you write comes from a full blown Communist. You ideology has many flaws. I will mention only one. "A strong nation is a healthy nation. It isn't healthy when half the population is supporting the other half. Only half a population being productive is not healthy. No blowing smoke up my ass.

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Jul 11, 2014 12:10:49   #
kattmanduu
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
We've all seen this spit somewhere before Kat.... so catch up and do something in real time today!
Call your Stupid ClownRep and slam them for not protecting the Constitution you know so well.
Ask that Stupid Moth*rFuc*er if they've ever even studied the Constitution !
Slam them for not stopping the Border invasion
Slam them for not impeaching the Stupid Mot*erFuc*er in your/our White House... !
Dont just come here and comment and post things that most already know about...
Take Action and do something about it!
Effect change !
We've all seen this spit somewhere before Kat.... ... (show quote)


Well buddy I am most current on this issue, I have been doing those things that you mentioned almost on a daily basis. I have signed about 20 or more petitions in the last 3 days that address many of our problems. I have even started a few as well. I just do it without all the childish name calling and excessive language.
The idiot in the white house has been our problem for decades and is not limited to just the current resident who is problematic. It seems that the last good president we had was JFK who did all he could to avoid a very
unnecessary war with Russia and was keeping us out of Vietnam a big problem started by the French and their desire for the raw materials and other resources they wanted from that region, that the British saw there as well when they were there before and during WW2.
Violations of our Constitution were done before Obama was ever elected with the passing of the so-called "Patriot act" that gutted our rights even more than it was done before. It allows for them to spy on us and to do warrantless searches and wiretaps. Bush did an executive order that would allow him to have anyone who disagreed with his policies arrested and held in secret for an unlimited amount of time without a fair hearing or a lawyer being allowed in for your defense. Where were all your calls for impeachment for Bush? Did you protest about him taking us into another police action (WAR) or for congress not declaring war. Because all of his excuses for said war was lies and hearsay evidence. Iraq did not have anything to do with 9-11-01 nor was it attacking the US. Bush murdered every one of our troops who died there and is guilty of it in cold blood. He is also guilty of murdering millions of Iraqi citizens because of his lies. Where is your loud calls for action against this monster and all the crimes against humanity he has done in our name.
Did you demand that your congressional representatives write or support legislation that would greatly increase our diplomatic efforts all over the world by increasing spending for that effort instead of spending more on
war efforts.
Terror is caused by acts of war, so you cannot fight an act of war with another act of war, it becomes an endless cycle and cannot be won. Will your "do nothing" congress declare war on war? I did protest and I wrote many letters to all branches of the government to stop this insanity.
So it seems that all you do is go on blog sites and telling everyone else to take action and not doing so yourself. Did you petition your local school board to make sure that the Constitution and how the government does really function at all levels to be made a mandatory class/subject in all grade levels? I did that a few times already. Yes, I too go on blog sites and make comments about what could be done to resolve the issues of the time, and I do present possible solutions, other that just impeaching the BLACK guy in the WHITE house that was built in part by slave labor.

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Jul 11, 2014 12:15:19   #
Jon Navy veteran
 
I agree the problem started long ago
I am sick of the mindless crap I see here and other places
just attack impeach .....

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Jul 11, 2014 12:43:58   #
Kevyn
 
The Dutchman wrote:
When our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, they carefully chose every word that was used. They wanted to be clear from the very beginning who the powers were being derived from. They didn't start it with "We the government", because the Constitution is not the government granting rights to the people the way the obozo sees it. They started with "We the people", because the Constitution delegates certain and specific powers to the government from the people, not the other way around. If the obozo remembered that one thing, it would completely change his plans to destroy America and corrupt the way our government is run.
When our Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, ... (show quote)

We the People willingly and knowingly elected President Obama twice, and would very likely elect him again if given the oppertunity. This is something the Teabaggers seem to constantly forget.

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Jul 11, 2014 12:57:43   #
Comment Loc: California
 
kattmanduu wrote:
Well buddy I am most current on this issue, I have been doing those things that you mentioned almost on a daily basis. I have signed about 20 or more petitions in the last 3 days that address many of our problems. I have even started a few as well. I just do it without all the childish name calling and excessive language.
The idiot in the white house has been our problem for decades and is not limited to just the current resident who is problematic. It seems that the last good president we had was JFK who did all he could to avoid a very
unnecessary war with Russia and was keeping us out of Vietnam a big problem started by the French and their desire for the raw materials and other resources they wanted from that region, that the British saw there as well when they were there before and during WW2.
Violations of our Constitution were done before Obama was ever elected with the passing of the so-called "Patriot act" that gutted our rights even more than it was done before. It allows for them to spy on us and to do warrantless searches and wiretaps. Bush did an executive order that would allow him to have anyone who disagreed with his policies arrested and held in secret for an unlimited amount of time without a fair hearing or a lawyer being allowed in for your defense. Where were all your calls for impeachment for Bush? Did you protest about him taking us into another police action (WAR) or for congress not declaring war. Because all of his excuses for said war was lies and hearsay evidence. Iraq did not have anything to do with 9-11-01 nor was it attacking the US. Bush murdered every one of our troops who died there and is guilty of it in cold blood. He is also guilty of murdering millions of Iraqi citizens because of his lies. Where is your loud calls for action against this monster and all the crimes against humanity he has done in our name.
Did you demand that your congressional representatives write or support legislation that would greatly increase our diplomatic efforts all over the world by increasing spending for that effort instead of spending more on
war efforts.
Terror is caused by acts of war, so you cannot fight an act of war with another act of war, it becomes an endless cycle and cannot be won. Will your "do nothing" congress declare war on war? I did protest and I wrote many letters to all branches of the government to stop this insanity.
So it seems that all you do is go on blog sites and telling everyone else to take action and not doing so yourself. Did you petition your local school board to make sure that the Constitution and how the government does really function at all levels to be made a mandatory class/subject in all grade levels? I did that a few times already. Yes, I too go on blog sites and make comments about what could be done to resolve the issues of the time, and I do present possible solutions, other that just impeaching the BLACK guy in the WHITE house that was built in part by slave labor.
Well buddy I am most current on this issue, I have... (show quote)


So what if it was built by slave labor. Native Americans were murdered, raped, and enslaved by the millions. And your fat ass is sitting on their land. So make it right and get your ass off their land. Hypocrite!!!!!`

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Jul 11, 2014 13:41:12   #
Sicilianthing
 
kattmanduu wrote:
Well buddy I am most current on this issue, I have been doing those things that you mentioned almost on a daily basis. I have signed about 20 or more petitions in the last 3 days that address many of our problems. I have even started a few as well. I just do it without all the childish name calling and excessive language.
The idiot in the white house has been our problem for decades and is not limited to just the current resident who is problematic. It seems that the last good president we had was JFK who did all he could to avoid a very
unnecessary war with Russia and was keeping us out of Vietnam a big problem started by the French and their desire for the raw materials and other resources they wanted from that region, that the British saw there as well when they were there before and during WW2.
Violations of our Constitution were done before Obama was ever elected with the passing of the so-called "Patriot act" that gutted our rights even more than it was done before. It allows for them to spy on us and to do warrantless searches and wiretaps. Bush did an executive order that would allow him to have anyone who disagreed with his policies arrested and held in secret for an unlimited amount of time without a fair hearing or a lawyer being allowed in for your defense. Where were all your calls for impeachment for Bush? Did you protest about him taking us into another police action (WAR) or for congress not declaring war. Because all of his excuses for said war was lies and hearsay evidence. Iraq did not have anything to do with 9-11-01 nor was it attacking the US. Bush murdered every one of our troops who died there and is guilty of it in cold blood. He is also guilty of murdering millions of Iraqi citizens because of his lies. Where is your loud calls for action against this monster and all the crimes against humanity he has done in our name.
Did you demand that your congressional representatives write or support legislation that would greatly increase our diplomatic efforts all over the world by increasing spending for that effort instead of spending more on
war efforts.
Terror is caused by acts of war, so you cannot fight an act of war with another act of war, it becomes an endless cycle and cannot be won. Will your "do nothing" congress declare war on war? I did protest and I wrote many letters to all branches of the government to stop this insanity.
So it seems that all you do is go on blog sites and telling everyone else to take action and not doing so yourself. Did you petition your local school board to make sure that the Constitution and how the government does really function at all levels to be made a mandatory class/subject in all grade levels? I did that a few times already. Yes, I too go on blog sites and make comments about what could be done to resolve the issues of the time, and I do present possible solutions, other that just impeaching the BLACK guy in the WHITE house that was built in part by slave labor.
Well buddy I am most current on this issue, I have... (show quote)


Righton! keep up the good work.
Thank You
Awesome... another real Patriot for the cause.

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Jul 11, 2014 13:44:47   #
Jon Navy veteran
 
what is the cause?

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Jul 11, 2014 13:49:43   #
Sicilianthing
 
Jon Navy veteran wrote:
what is the cause?


Re instating, Re booting, Bill of rights/Constitution/ by the people for the people...
Redress of Grievances....
End the FED, Banksters !
I can go on and on and on but that's a start .

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Jul 11, 2014 14:08:13   #
Jon Navy veteran
 
I agree with that but every part of this system degenerates to a fight I have been called a liar for posting a valid news article

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Jul 11, 2014 14:37:08   #
Sicilianthing
 
Jon Navy veteran wrote:
I agree with that but every part of this system degenerates to a fight I have been called a liar for posting a valid news article


Yeah we all get that, don't let it bother you... it's just par for the course here...
And that only happens once in a while not all the time.
There's usually a whole lotta knowledge and good people informing here of the issues...
I just tend to pay attention to the most critical change ones...
Not so much the Push n Pull agendas that congress screws around / tied up with.
Hang in there... it's usually fun too... and then serious again.

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Jul 11, 2014 14:40:07   #
Jon Navy veteran
 
Thanks

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Jul 11, 2014 21:29:07   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
dennisimoto wrote:
Dutch, I don't think that Obama-lama-ding-dong ever knew that one thing so he can't remember something he never had in his mind. As a "Constitutional Law Professor," at Harvard Univ. you might have expected some tiny bits of the Constitution to stick in his mind but I guess one too many 'doobies' knocked it all out.


His brain is fried from all the "poppers" he sniffed.

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Jul 11, 2014 22:18:44   #
buddy42 Loc: Bonita Springs, Fl
 
Billhuggins wrote:
So what if it was built by slave labor. Native Americans were murdered, raped, and enslaved by the millions. And your fat ass is sitting on their land. So make it right and get your ass off their land. Hypocrite!!!!!`


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