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How Election Integrity has Been Destroyed in Arizona – And Elsewhere
Nov 11, 2022 16:18:21   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Many Arizonans have wondered and scratched their heads as to why a fundamentally “red” state ends up with “blue” politicians. Such was the case during the 2020 election when Donald Trump was overwhelmingly popular and yet lost the state. Such is the case right now with the Governor’s race between Kari Lake and Katie Hobbs. Now I know the answer.

Republicans seek voters, Democrats seek ballots.

This is so simple and obvious that it has escaped everyone’s attention, including mine. According to this article, “when ballots are more important than votes – the election will always favor the former.”

Republican candidate Kari Lake has stumped throughout Arizona and won the hearts of our citizens. Her Democrat opponent, Katie Hobbs, has hidden herself from public exposure, refusing to even be seen with Lake on a stage or anywhere else. As a candidate, in fact, Hobbs could rightly be described as reclusive.

Here is the heart of matter: Lake is seeking voters while Hobbs is seeking ballots. The same could be said for the Senate race between Republican Blake Masters and Democrat Mark Kelly. Further, this is true across all major races in Arizona. Republicans seek voters while Democrats seek ballots.

What happened in Arizona? On election day, ballots were collected as many people voted in person. Mailed in and dropped off ballots were also collected. Next, the whole collection of ballots was brought to a central location (in each county). In Maricopa County, Sheriff’s deputies barricaded the counting facility and posted armed sentinels on the roof. The counting process was going to take a long time, they said. Days later, they are still not finished.

Kari Lake’s work to secure votes was done when the polling centers closed on Tuesday. Conversely, Katie Hobbs work was just beginning. Behind closed doors, it will continue until the ballots can be arranged, manipulated and “adjusted”, until she can be declared the winner. It will not be a case of who got the most votes, but who got the most ballots. Can you see the difference?

In the 2020 election cycle, 2.3 million mail-in ballots were received in Arizona, compared to 4.28 million registered voters. Not all of those registered cast a ballot, early or otherwise. Only a relatively small minority voted in person while all the rest were loose ballots that mostly came back through the mail or drop-off boxes.

According to one astute political analyst:

The system of ballot distribution and collection is far more susceptible to control than the traditional system of votes cast at precincts.

A vote cannot be cast by a person who is no longer alive, or no longer lives in the area. However, a ballot can be sent, completed and returned regardless of the status of the initially attributed and/or registered individual.

While ballots and votes originate in two totally different processes, the end result of both “ballots” and “votes,” weighing on the presented election outcome, is identical.

While initially the ballot form of election control was tested in Deep Blue states, through the process of mail-in returns under the guise and justification of “expanding democracy,” a useful tool for those who are vested in the distinction, I think we are now starting to see what happens on a national level when the process is expanded.

The controversial 2020 election showed the result of making ‘ballots’ the strategy for electoral success. Under the justification of COVID-19 mitigation, mail-in ballots took center stage. Ballot harvesting by Democrat operations was one term for the outcome.

Democrat party officials and political activist groups knew how to exploit the opportunities within the new system of ballot distribution and collection, and when you combine that with a massive legal pressure campaign to accept any and all forms of ballots, well, you can see how they are dependent.

Now that ballot collection has been shown to be a much more effective way to maintain political power, Democrats in a general sense are less focused on winning votes and more focused on gathering ballots.

When ‘ballot organization’ becomes more important than ‘vote winning,’ you modify your electoral campaign approaches accordingly. It might sound simplistic, but inside the distinct difference between ballots and votes you will find why refusing debates is a successful strategy.


There is only one possible solution to this perversion of the voting system. That is, restoring in-person voting on election day. Let the candidates compete for votes, not ballots.

Nobody knows yet if Kari Lake will be the next Governor of Arizona, but we do know that she was and still is the most popular candidate and by a wide margin. Unfortunately, in the end the ballot may outweigh the vote.

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Nov 11, 2022 16:32:21   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Parky60 wrote:
Many Arizonans have wondered and scratched their heads as to why a fundamentally “red” state ends up with “blue” politicians. Such was the case during the 2020 election when Donald Trump was overwhelmingly popular and yet lost the state. Such is the case right now with the Governor’s race between Kari Lake and Katie Hobbs. Now I know the answer.

Republicans seek voters, Democrats seek ballots.

This is so simple and obvious that it has escaped everyone’s attention, including mine. According to this article, “when ballots are more important than votes – the election will always favor the former.”

Republican candidate Kari Lake has stumped throughout Arizona and won the hearts of our citizens. Her Democrat opponent, Katie Hobbs, has hidden herself from public exposure, refusing to even be seen with Lake on a stage or anywhere else. As a candidate, in fact, Hobbs could rightly be described as reclusive.

Here is the heart of matter: Lake is seeking voters while Hobbs is seeking ballots. The same could be said for the Senate race between Republican Blake Masters and Democrat Mark Kelly. Further, this is true across all major races in Arizona. Republicans seek voters while Democrats seek ballots.

What happened in Arizona? On election day, ballots were collected as many people voted in person. Mailed in and dropped off ballots were also collected. Next, the whole collection of ballots was brought to a central location (in each county). In Maricopa County, Sheriff’s deputies barricaded the counting facility and posted armed sentinels on the roof. The counting process was going to take a long time, they said. Days later, they are still not finished.

Kari Lake’s work to secure votes was done when the polling centers closed on Tuesday. Conversely, Katie Hobbs work was just beginning. Behind closed doors, it will continue until the ballots can be arranged, manipulated and “adjusted”, until she can be declared the winner. It will not be a case of who got the most votes, but who got the most ballots. Can you see the difference?

In the 2020 election cycle, 2.3 million mail-in ballots were received in Arizona, compared to 4.28 million registered voters. Not all of those registered cast a ballot, early or otherwise. Only a relatively small minority voted in person while all the rest were loose ballots that mostly came back through the mail or drop-off boxes.

According to one astute political analyst:

The system of ballot distribution and collection is far more susceptible to control than the traditional system of votes cast at precincts.

A vote cannot be cast by a person who is no longer alive, or no longer lives in the area. However, a ballot can be sent, completed and returned regardless of the status of the initially attributed and/or registered individual.

While ballots and votes originate in two totally different processes, the end result of both “ballots” and “votes,” weighing on the presented election outcome, is identical.

While initially the ballot form of election control was tested in Deep Blue states, through the process of mail-in returns under the guise and justification of “expanding democracy,” a useful tool for those who are vested in the distinction, I think we are now starting to see what happens on a national level when the process is expanded.

The controversial 2020 election showed the result of making ‘ballots’ the strategy for electoral success. Under the justification of COVID-19 mitigation, mail-in ballots took center stage. Ballot harvesting by Democrat operations was one term for the outcome.

Democrat party officials and political activist groups knew how to exploit the opportunities within the new system of ballot distribution and collection, and when you combine that with a massive legal pressure campaign to accept any and all forms of ballots, well, you can see how they are dependent.

Now that ballot collection has been shown to be a much more effective way to maintain political power, Democrats in a general sense are less focused on winning votes and more focused on gathering ballots.

When ‘ballot organization’ becomes more important than ‘vote winning,’ you modify your electoral campaign approaches accordingly. It might sound simplistic, but inside the distinct difference between ballots and votes you will find why refusing debates is a successful strategy.


There is only one possible solution to this perversion of the voting system. That is, restoring in-person voting on election day. Let the candidates compete for votes, not ballots.

Nobody knows yet if Kari Lake will be the next Governor of Arizona, but we do know that she was and still is the most popular candidate and by a wide margin. Unfortunately, in the end the ballot may outweigh the vote.
Many Arizonans have wondered and scratched their h... (show quote)


Unfortunately, when we lose confidence in fair elections it seems to me we only have two options left, rebellion or submission.

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Nov 11, 2022 17:05:06   #
WinkyTink Loc: Hill Country, TX
 
Parky60 wrote:
Many Arizonans have wondered and scratched their heads as to why a fundamentally “red” state ends up with “blue” politicians. Such was the case during the 2020 election when Donald Trump was overwhelmingly popular and yet lost the state. Such is the case right now with the Governor’s race between Kari Lake and Katie Hobbs. Now I know the answer.

Republicans seek voters, Democrats seek ballots.

This is so simple and obvious that it has escaped everyone’s attention, including mine. According to this article, “when ballots are more important than votes – the election will always favor the former.”

Republican candidate Kari Lake has stumped throughout Arizona and won the hearts of our citizens. Her Democrat opponent, Katie Hobbs, has hidden herself from public exposure, refusing to even be seen with Lake on a stage or anywhere else. As a candidate, in fact, Hobbs could rightly be described as reclusive.

Here is the heart of matter: Lake is seeking voters while Hobbs is seeking ballots. The same could be said for the Senate race between Republican Blake Masters and Democrat Mark Kelly. Further, this is true across all major races in Arizona. Republicans seek voters while Democrats seek ballots.

What happened in Arizona? On election day, ballots were collected as many people voted in person. Mailed in and dropped off ballots were also collected. Next, the whole collection of ballots was brought to a central location (in each county). In Maricopa County, Sheriff’s deputies barricaded the counting facility and posted armed sentinels on the roof. The counting process was going to take a long time, they said. Days later, they are still not finished.

Kari Lake’s work to secure votes was done when the polling centers closed on Tuesday. Conversely, Katie Hobbs work was just beginning. Behind closed doors, it will continue until the ballots can be arranged, manipulated and “adjusted”, until she can be declared the winner. It will not be a case of who got the most votes, but who got the most ballots. Can you see the difference?

In the 2020 election cycle, 2.3 million mail-in ballots were received in Arizona, compared to 4.28 million registered voters. Not all of those registered cast a ballot, early or otherwise. Only a relatively small minority voted in person while all the rest were loose ballots that mostly came back through the mail or drop-off boxes.

According to one astute political analyst:

The system of ballot distribution and collection is far more susceptible to control than the traditional system of votes cast at precincts.

A vote cannot be cast by a person who is no longer alive, or no longer lives in the area. However, a ballot can be sent, completed and returned regardless of the status of the initially attributed and/or registered individual.

While ballots and votes originate in two totally different processes, the end result of both “ballots” and “votes,” weighing on the presented election outcome, is identical.

While initially the ballot form of election control was tested in Deep Blue states, through the process of mail-in returns under the guise and justification of “expanding democracy,” a useful tool for those who are vested in the distinction, I think we are now starting to see what happens on a national level when the process is expanded.

The controversial 2020 election showed the result of making ‘ballots’ the strategy for electoral success. Under the justification of COVID-19 mitigation, mail-in ballots took center stage. Ballot harvesting by Democrat operations was one term for the outcome.

Democrat party officials and political activist groups knew how to exploit the opportunities within the new system of ballot distribution and collection, and when you combine that with a massive legal pressure campaign to accept any and all forms of ballots, well, you can see how they are dependent.

Now that ballot collection has been shown to be a much more effective way to maintain political power, Democrats in a general sense are less focused on winning votes and more focused on gathering ballots.

When ‘ballot organization’ becomes more important than ‘vote winning,’ you modify your electoral campaign approaches accordingly. It might sound simplistic, but inside the distinct difference between ballots and votes you will find why refusing debates is a successful strategy.


There is only one possible solution to this perversion of the voting system. That is, restoring in-person voting on election day. Let the candidates compete for votes, not ballots.

Nobody knows yet if Kari Lake will be the next Governor of Arizona, but we do know that she was and still is the most popular candidate and by a wide margin. Unfortunately, in the end the ballot may outweigh the vote.
Many Arizonans have wondered and scratched their h... (show quote)


Cheating in any way possible, plausible deniability and shoe-staring republicans without the backbone to stand up is generating the desired result.

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Nov 11, 2022 18:38:02   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
padremike wrote:
Unfortunately, when we lose confidence in fair elections it seems to me we only have two options left, rebellion or submission.


When we refuse to understand
what “fair elections” represents we lose track of reality .
No one has labeled any past elections as unfair or illegal.
Except the trumpstars. Brought on by trumpys big lie itself.
There was nothing wrong with these elections . The people with the most votes won. As is always the case since time began. Whoever gets the most white marbles in the jar wins. Period. There’s nothing to argue.
Why is this so difficult for trumpys to understand. This inane fighting against the reality of the votes is tiresome.
The most white marbles wins.
The pawing , fawning and pleading offered by the losers to please change the vote so they can win is plain sickening.
Children who don’t understand the finality of the vote shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
Papers should be signed by all voters stating they will accept the final vote Tally’s.
Objections may offered to a panel to investigate.
Anything else shall be deemed unlawful.

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Nov 11, 2022 19:08:37   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Milosia2 wrote:
When we refuse to understand
what “fair elections” represents we lose track of reality .
No one has labeled any past elections as unfair or illegal.
Except the trumpstars. Brought on by trumpys big lie itself.
There was nothing wrong with these elections . The people with the most votes won. As is always the case since time began. Whoever gets the most white marbles in the jar wins. Period. There’s nothing to argue.
Why is this so difficult for trumpys to understand. This inane fighting against the reality of the votes is tiresome.
The most white marbles wins.
The pawing , fawning and pleading offered by the losers to please change the vote so they can win is plain sickening.
Children who don’t understand the finality of the vote shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
Papers should be signed by all voters stating they will accept the final vote Tally’s.
Objections may offered to a panel to investigate.
Anything else shall be deemed unlawful.
When we refuse to understand br what “fair electi... (show quote)


Heads up. A dumbazz like you does not have the common sense to make any objective assessment of a fair election especially when the results are weighted in you favor. The same delaying tactics that affected previous elections results have amazingly risen again. Furthermore, Democrats (Marxist) are the epitome of the type of evil that destroys nations and there is nothing in the arsenals of deceit that they won't employ to gain their objectives. Exit polls show that 75% of the people that voted said America was going in the wrong direction. Something is very wrong here.

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Nov 12, 2022 04:22:13   #
Ricktloml
 
WinkyTink wrote:
Cheating in any way possible, plausible deniability and shoe-staring republicans without the backbone to stand up is generating the desired result.




Amen. I am so tired of the spineless/self-serving response from the Republican Party to fraud/cheating by the Democrat/Communist Party.

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Nov 12, 2022 04:24:18   #
Ricktloml
 
padremike wrote:
Unfortunately, when we lose confidence in fair elections it seems to me we only have two options left, rebellion or submission.




What's appalling is the number of useful idiots in America who would willingly choose submission...as long as they are fed lies/empty promises

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Nov 12, 2022 19:55:30   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Milosia2 wrote:
When we refuse to understand
what “fair elections” represents we lose track of reality .
No one has labeled any past elections as unfair or illegal.
Except the trumpstars. Brought on by trumpys big lie itself.
There was nothing wrong with these elections . The people with the most votes won. As is always the case since time began. Whoever gets the most white marbles in the jar wins. Period. There’s nothing to argue.
Why is this so difficult for trumpys to understand. This inane fighting against the reality of the votes is tiresome.
The most white marbles wins.
The pawing , fawning and pleading offered by the losers to please change the vote so they can win is plain sickening.
Children who don’t understand the finality of the vote shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
Papers should be signed by all voters stating they will accept the final vote Tally’s.
Objections may offered to a panel to investigate.
Anything else shall be deemed unlawful.
When we refuse to understand br what “fair electi... (show quote)


Àll we are asking for is a fair election

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Nov 12, 2022 20:11:30   #
maryjane
 
"No one has labeled any past elections as unfair or illegal...." In the past, several times elections were labeled exactly that by the DEMOCRATS including the Trump/Clinton election. In fact, ", stolen, illegal" was al, we heard from the Democrat crowd after Clinton lost. In Georgia, the loser in the 2020 governor's race, Abrams, called that election illegal/stolen and continued that story right up until she lost the election a second time this month. I am so tired of democrats condemning Republicans for the very same things they themselves do often. I am beginning to wonder just how few American voters today have any commonsense OR critical thinking ability. Seems not to be very many, but the numbers easily brainwashed/manipulated appear to be huge.

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Nov 13, 2022 08:19:29   #
Weswill
 
Milosia2 wrote:
When we refuse to understand
what “fair elections” represents we lose track of reality .
No one has labeled any past elections as unfair or illegal.
Except the trumpstars. Brought on by trumpys big lie itself.
There was nothing wrong with these elections . The people with the most votes won. As is always the case since time began. Whoever gets the most white marbles in the jar wins. Period. There’s nothing to argue.
Why is this so difficult for trumpys to understand. This inane fighting against the reality of the votes is tiresome.
The most white marbles wins.
The pawing , fawning and pleading offered by the losers to please change the vote so they can win is plain sickening.
Children who don’t understand the finality of the vote shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
Papers should be signed by all voters stating they will accept the final vote Tally’s.
Objections may offered to a panel to investigate.
Anything else shall be deemed unlawful.
When we refuse to understand br what “fair electi... (show quote)


You put fair election in quotation marks. You must think fair elections are just made up or that there is no such thing as a fair election.
No one has labeled any past elections as unfair or illegal. Really?? You really must.have your head in the sand. What about Bush-Gorein Florida about Chad's and that election was challenged. And of course Hillary declaring Trump an illegitimate president and one more , Stacy Abrams in Georgia said she won the election. Please get your head out of the sand long enough to at least recognize this sort of stuff happens on both sides of the isle. And neither party has a monopoly on this denying election results.
Trumpys big lie. Very good talking point for democrats. All you have to do is look at all the states that changed or.made up election law unconstitutionally, therefore illegal. These actions by some states if it were allowed to litigated , would have been enough to overturn the 2020 election.
So please stop advocating that there was nothing wrong with the 2020 election., when we all can see that there was something wrong.
You talk about your white marbles. But what if one jar started out with 100 marbles and the other started with no marbles. At the wnd of the day you are correct that the jar with the most marbles win. But how did thos
e marbles get into the jar that won.??
I can agree that there is too much bickering on just about everything.
And so now you are wanting to rewrite our constitution to do away with any type of questioning of all elections. There is a system in place through our constitution that shows us the steps to object to an election result. And that was what Trump was doing. Using the constitution to challenge an election. Most democrats keep saying that Trump was destroying the constitution when in actuality, Trump was.doing what the constitution said he could do. It is all a bunch of talking points that accuse Trump of things that can't be proved. Plus just an enormous amount of hate, literal hate for Trump and any one who tries to defend or get the whole picture. It is sad for sure.

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Nov 13, 2022 08:38:43   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Parky60 wrote:
Many Arizonans have wondered and scratched their heads as to why a fundamentally “red” state ends up with “blue” politicians. Such was the case during the 2020 election when Donald Trump was overwhelmingly popular and yet lost the state. Such is the case right now with the Governor’s race between Kari Lake and Katie Hobbs. Now I know the answer.

Republicans seek voters, Democrats seek ballots.

This is so simple and obvious that it has escaped everyone’s attention, including mine. According to this article, “when ballots are more important than votes – the election will always favor the former.”

Republican candidate Kari Lake has stumped throughout Arizona and won the hearts of our citizens. Her Democrat opponent, Katie Hobbs, has hidden herself from public exposure, refusing to even be seen with Lake on a stage or anywhere else. As a candidate, in fact, Hobbs could rightly be described as reclusive.

Here is the heart of matter: Lake is seeking voters while Hobbs is seeking ballots. The same could be said for the Senate race between Republican Blake Masters and Democrat Mark Kelly. Further, this is true across all major races in Arizona. Republicans seek voters while Democrats seek ballots.

What happened in Arizona? On election day, ballots were collected as many people voted in person. Mailed in and dropped off ballots were also collected. Next, the whole collection of ballots was brought to a central location (in each county). In Maricopa County, Sheriff’s deputies barricaded the counting facility and posted armed sentinels on the roof. The counting process was going to take a long time, they said. Days later, they are still not finished.

Kari Lake’s work to secure votes was done when the polling centers closed on Tuesday. Conversely, Katie Hobbs work was just beginning. Behind closed doors, it will continue until the ballots can be arranged, manipulated and “adjusted”, until she can be declared the winner. It will not be a case of who got the most votes, but who got the most ballots. Can you see the difference?

In the 2020 election cycle, 2.3 million mail-in ballots were received in Arizona, compared to 4.28 million registered voters. Not all of those registered cast a ballot, early or otherwise. Only a relatively small minority voted in person while all the rest were loose ballots that mostly came back through the mail or drop-off boxes.

According to one astute political analyst:

The system of ballot distribution and collection is far more susceptible to control than the traditional system of votes cast at precincts.

A vote cannot be cast by a person who is no longer alive, or no longer lives in the area. However, a ballot can be sent, completed and returned regardless of the status of the initially attributed and/or registered individual.

While ballots and votes originate in two totally different processes, the end result of both “ballots” and “votes,” weighing on the presented election outcome, is identical.

While initially the ballot form of election control was tested in Deep Blue states, through the process of mail-in returns under the guise and justification of “expanding democracy,” a useful tool for those who are vested in the distinction, I think we are now starting to see what happens on a national level when the process is expanded.

The controversial 2020 election showed the result of making ‘ballots’ the strategy for electoral success. Under the justification of COVID-19 mitigation, mail-in ballots took center stage. Ballot harvesting by Democrat operations was one term for the outcome.

Democrat party officials and political activist groups knew how to exploit the opportunities within the new system of ballot distribution and collection, and when you combine that with a massive legal pressure campaign to accept any and all forms of ballots, well, you can see how they are dependent.

Now that ballot collection has been shown to be a much more effective way to maintain political power, Democrats in a general sense are less focused on winning votes and more focused on gathering ballots.

When ‘ballot organization’ becomes more important than ‘vote winning,’ you modify your electoral campaign approaches accordingly. It might sound simplistic, but inside the distinct difference between ballots and votes you will find why refusing debates is a successful strategy.


There is only one possible solution to this perversion of the voting system. That is, restoring in-person voting on election day. Let the candidates compete for votes, not ballots.

Nobody knows yet if Kari Lake will be the next Governor of Arizona, but we do know that she was and still is the most popular candidate and by a wide margin. Unfortunately, in the end the ballot may outweigh the vote.
Many Arizonans have wondered and scratched their h... (show quote)


That is exactly how it happens. My brother and I both got voter registration cards for our dead parents from the Beto campaign here in Texas. All we has to do was fill them out and send them in, request a mail in ballot and done, both both dead parents could have voted.

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Nov 15, 2022 08:23:26   #
Ricktloml
 
maryjane wrote:
"No one has labeled any past elections as unfair or illegal...." In the past, several times elections were labeled exactly that by the DEMOCRATS including the Trump/Clinton election. In fact, ", stolen, illegal" was al, we heard from the Democrat crowd after Clinton lost. In Georgia, the loser in the 2020 governor's race, Abrams, called that election illegal/stolen and continued that story right up until she lost the election a second time this month. I am so tired of democrats condemning Republicans for the very same things they themselves do often. I am beginning to wonder just how few American voters today have any commonsense OR critical thinking ability. Seems not to be very many, but the numbers easily brainwashed/manipulated appear to be huge.
"No one has labeled any past elections as unf... (show quote)




I too am appalled at the number of American useful idiots. It is a sad illustration of how easy it is to dupe people...even people who have benefitted all their lives from the individual liberty/freedom of speech that this country (one of the very few,) affords them. The left/Democrat/Communist Party doles out known lies/empty promises---useful idiots eagerly drool/slobber over the same lies/empty promises that have enslaved citizens to the almighty state for decades.

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