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Jul 10, 2014 10:47:32   #
Sicilianthing
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I finally had an opportunity to research and view the 99% declaration and the Continental Congress 2.0 for the reboot of American Democracy.

The heart and conscience were in the right place but the procedure lacked effectiveness because of how it was administered.

If we are to reboot, so to speak our Democracy, we must do it in an orderly fashion and in a way everyone could participate. Now we do not have to organize a physical march so to speak. But how about an electronic march on Washington DC?

Now follow me on this idea. If we can get the word out for 90 days, to the public about redressing Congress and the Government on issues that are most important to the people. Then have the people vote from their homes on these issues via the internet with a password and user name.

Then the Continental Congress would have been more effective in 2012. However there would also be problems. So to address these problems we would have to implement the rule of law, in a parliamentary procedure. We would need a committee to address the issues and prioritize the issues.

I suggest we should start with the individual, and branch out to the family, then the community, then the State, and finally the country. What I mean is the issues must start with the individual and his or her family.

We know through every ounce of science whether it be physical, medical, or social, that all problems and issues that affect a person personally and cause a burden on that family starts in the home. How we treat our brothers and sisters in the home is how we treat our neighbors outside the home. So the first issue category should address these issues.

I wrote a petition back in 2012, against Obamacare, to address the fundamental protection of conscience. http://www.petition2congress.com/6149/a-proposal-to-protect-human-dignity-free-good-conscience/

This petition was intended to add to the protections already imposed in the first amendment with added emphasis on conscience and to bring up a fundamental principle concerning religion or lack thereof.

This principle is "Governments established by men have no business in dictating, writing or abolishing moral laws. Nor can said governments judge either way on a moral issue. They can however, judge the people on legal and ethical issues."

This is how this petition was written. This is the first issue that should be addressed by a reboot of the Constitution by the rule of law in parliamentary procedure.

Now this redress is only one of many that I personally have against the Government and should be addressed in open forum for the pretext of civil justice and civil agreement.

The first issue is about family and the individual giving liberty and dignity to the American Citizen.

The next issue to be redressed should be on immigration. Immigration is a two fold issue. The first part is securing the border for the American Citizen where the next part is allowing the immigrant to become an American Citizen.

We must for our common security and well being. The American citizen should be granted a level of privilege just being a citizen of this great nation. This privilege shall entitle the citizen certain benefits that the foreigner is not entitled to. This makes being American desirable.

Next, we must protect that citizen. Local Law enforcement along with Federal Law enforcement must work together and where the Federal government cannot or will not enforce the law, the State should back the Feds up and enforce the law themselves. This ensures the security of the citizen.

If the citizen is unemployed, and the foreigner has a job, the foreigner should give up that job to the citizen, unless the foreigner is becoming a citizen. The country must take care of their own first! If I am called a racist because of this statement and because I exercise nationalism, then I'm going to hit somebody! This argument is so irresponsible it makes me sick. I fought to defend the constitution for the American Citizen not for the rest of the world. Come on man! lets be reasonable and just.

Immigrants should learn our language, culture and way of life. I welcome all immigrants that are here legally. I encourage immigration. But if you come into my country and break my laws I want you to leave. That simple.

The next issue is foreign relations. Should an American Citizen be held hostage or killed by an Islamic Terrorist, then we must be strong enough to stand against that terrorist. If I were president there would be missions against the terrorists like Israel does. I would attack the terrorists until they stop attacking Americans overseas and abroad in the same manner Israel does. Also I would assist our ally Israel in their endeavor to protect themselves against terrorists.

Being part Italian, I have the nerve enough to say to the Islamic Terrorists, "You want a Jihadi, well here you go!" I would start a bombing run and turn that desert into a sheet of glass. I would route every Terrorist hiding spot in such a manner that even the world would ask me for mercy on those rebel Muslims. And in reply to the rest of the world, I would say, "They called down the thunder, well let's let it rain!"

After they suffered enough, hopefully it would not be that long, I respect and cherish life so this type of destruction which would be horrible and I do not have the stomach for, I would then bring them to the table and see if we could iron out our differences.

I would not leave any man behind and would not release any prisoner of war. Instead I would try the prisoners of war in a war tribune and seek justice for their crimes.

Now these are just a few issues plaguing the country. I do like removing the money as property issue in the redress of the Continental Congress of 2012, however, it was not properly organized.

Also to both Canada and Mexico, as well as all countries in the North American Continent, I would offer statehood to them. By providing an opportunity to becoming a state and joining the union, I would reduce the national debt and reduce the cost of foreign aid and gain people and more taxes incidentally and by default.

I would try to fulfill Teddy Roosevelts dream of making the American Borders to include the entire continent. I've always said it is easier to defend 150 miles of border on the Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras border and border than 1100 miles of border from Texas to California.

If my "new reboot" is successful, then Every Mexican, Guatemalan, and Belizean would become citizens of the United States and be free from Mexican, Guatemalan and Belizean control. This would reunite families on both sides of the current border. However, the Mexican people, the Guatemalan people, and the Belizean people would have to vote on it. And the states within their countries would have an opportunity of becoming a member of the United States of America.

What I also bring to the table is the fact that once and for all I would end the stranglehold the drug cartels have on our brothers and sister countries to the south. This is more aggressive then amnesty and allows americans to travel to our vacation spots south of the border by dropping the border completely and annexing Mexico into the United States. Our immigration issue would shrink and American Business would thrive. Thus, Mexican, Guatemala and Belize business would thrive as well. However, there will also be problems that need to be addressed before I render total control of Mexico, Guatemala, and Belize.

I would also disband the mexican police, and implement the officers into the United States Law enforcement. I do not want the rest of the world but I believe as Teddy Roosevelt believed, that America should include the entire continent. In time I would work on Central and South America too. But the rule will always be, if the citizens of the country want to be a state of this Union then I would grant the road to statehood to the local governments.

So the solutions I present to our modern problems of the economy, drugs, terrorists, medical and family issues can be solved with land expansion. Plus, with my confidence in the established laws of Civil Rights, I am sure that the Mexican, Guatemala and Belize cultures would be preserved. I would also entice Puerto Rico, and Cuba, to push for statehood too.

In our history, Cuba and the United States were always friends, however due to a botched Democrat job, Cuba felt abandoned and Castro went with Russia. John Kennedy always felt bad about that. Now, the sons and grandsons of the president, could fulfill his mission of peace with Cuba and reinstate Cuba with the United States and make them a state. We should also include all of the Caribbean, including St. Thomas, Jamaica, Bermuda, and all the islands under one flag. The United States of America flag. This would promote Americanism and reboot freedom in a way never before done.

I do not believe in the bias media, that countries on this continent are against us. No way! We are the biggest consumer of goods and services and have given so much wealth to our neighbors why not include them into our union? However this is a personal dream of mine, and I know this would solve the southern border crisis and immigration crisis from the south.

This is just the beginning however, it would take over a hundred plus years to complete however, our prosperity would increase if we do it. This is not imperial empiricism, for the people would have to be willing. I would not admit a state into the union if they did not agree by unanimous vote. I would not take possession of their territory either. However, I would try to persuade them by all honorable means necessary.

We must first however, work on our family unit. Then branch out to expansion. That is my idea. What are you guy's thoughts on this?
I finally had an opportunity to research and view ... (show quote)


Some ideas are ok, but others they'll just block permanently.
Mexico is 50 years behind the U.S. in socio-economic progress not to mention class struggle, greed, corruption, envy you don't normally see here in America.

For now, I'm for REBOOT yes, Close the Border completely, fix our problems at home, stop foreign aid, policy, CFR, Banksters etc...
We have a long long way to go before anyone else should even be considered at the table.

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Jul 10, 2014 18:12:22   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Some ideas are ok, but others they'll just block permanently.
Mexico is 50 years behind the U.S. in socio-economic progress not to mention class struggle, greed, corruption, envy you don't normally see here in America.

For now, I'm for REBOOT yes, Close the Border completely, fix our problems at home, stop foreign aid, policy, CFR, Banksters etc...
We have a long long way to go before anyone else should even be considered at the table.


I can agree with you on that. However do you want to hear the newest thing he said in Texas of all places. We really need to impeach and imprison Obama. Go to http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/obama-impeachment-react-oh-really-108771.html and find out why! Arrogant pompous traitor SOB!

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Jul 10, 2014 19:40:08   #
Sicilianthing
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I can agree with you on that. However do you want to hear the newest thing he said in Texas of all places. We really need to impeach and imprison Obama. Go to http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/obama-impeachment-react-oh-really-108771.html and find out why! Arrogant pompous traitor SOB!


I'm on it standby for a bit... slammed...

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Jul 11, 2014 19:38:16   #
Sicilianthing
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
I can agree with you on that. However do you want to hear the newest thing he said in Texas of all places. We really need to impeach and imprison Obama. Go to http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/obama-impeachment-react-oh-really-108771.html and find out why! Arrogant pompous traitor SOB!


Prettymuch he wants to see Congress and the house have the balls to do it....
this is what we're seeing...
It needs to move forward...

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Jul 11, 2014 20:02:24   #
saveamerica Loc: Texas
 
[quote=Ranger7374]
Tradition wrote:
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Would somebody please answer me a question, why is it I get a job during the Republican presid


Hi Ranger, You get a job when the Republicans are in office and you get laid off when the Democrats are in office.

Republicans always have to rebound the Economy and rebuild America every time Democrats leave office. It's a never ending process.

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Jul 11, 2014 20:08:11   #
saveamerica Loc: Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
I completely agree... just need a plan to mobilize.




There has been plans to mobilize but, no one showed up.

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Jul 11, 2014 20:12:04   #
saveamerica Loc: Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
You call on the Militias to march and remove CONGRESS, they are no longer functional and the People have the Constitutional right to remove them from office...




I have a question. You will need to do some strong thinking before you answer.

Just how many people do you think it will take to remove Congress or Obama???

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Jul 11, 2014 20:22:11   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
saveamerica wrote:
I have a question. You will need to do some strong thinking before you answer.

Just how many people do you think it will take to remove Congress or Obama???


Obama is 2/3 of Government. That is required. 3/4 of the House, and 3/4 of the Senate, and 2/3 of the Supreme Court Justices. In other words he has to be removed by both the Legislative and Judicial Branch by majority vote. Congress is a whole different issue. But wait a minute now I have to look it up, its in Article I, II and III of the U.S. Constitution. Under the section of Removing an elected official from office. I'll get back to you on that.

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Jul 11, 2014 20:44:40   #
saveamerica Loc: Texas
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
The first thing a single person must do is pray to God for guidance and reassurance. For me, God is the power that inspires me to speak and act to support the Constitution. Know that in the days of our founding even up to this day, Congress has prayed.

Remember however prayer not said by the heart and in full emotion is an empty prayer. This type of prayer is like what St. Paul said, "Faith without works is dead.", this saying also says, "God helps those who help themselves." We need works.

Now the best way to get started is by persuading your friends and family to re-examine the Constitution and the Bible. In the past few days, a friend of mine and myself have started with Genesis and are working to Revelations by hearing the Bible read. There are many websites that you can download the Bible for free in audio version. This is how the bible was intended to be passed on anyways.

Now, you don't have to be a devout Churchgoer or a religious zealot or a Christian nut case, to hear and be inspired by the Word of God. You can be inspired by the Word of God through the failures of history. Take for example, the Israelite people, a most stubborn people. They cling to God during times of calamity and turmoil, yet in good times they turn away from God. They become Fat and Lazy so to speak. This is what I believe happened to the United States.

It is true that the Bible speaks against the rich man, however, God's Word also speaks for the rich man, when we read, "If you keep my commandments, your prosperity shall increase."

Now this is religious terminology written a book called Proverbs. It would not be a proverb if it only applied to faith. Wisdom dictates that people before us have had to handle situations of this nature before. Knowing this would it not be prudent to see the successes and mistakes they made? This is what our founding fathers did when they created the Constitution. They looked at Israel. From the freedom of slavery by Moses, until the people cried out for a King, the people of Israel lived in the world's first democracy. This democracy worked! The people were united in faith, which encouraged the brotherhood of man to work together willingly.

Other ancient societies like Rome before the empire, and Athens and Sparta, Ephesians, and Corinth, practiced Democracy. And in every case there were reasons why Democracy failed one of the reasons was factions. However the main reason Democracy fails is because of human Greed and the Lust for power as was seen with Ceasar. We are not a lynch mob of people, we are a Republic with Democratic tendencies. Or better put a Democratic Republic.

By making the people subject to the written law, Democracy flourishes. By ignoring the written law, well just ask Israel what happens.

Now since the stubborn people of this nation are the ones we elected, we must convince the public of their crimes. We have to get the word out. Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party and the President of the United States, so whatever happens on his watch is his fault and God is watching. God grants every human being time to change and steer away from their wicked and evil ways to find Him. However, there is a tolerance level that will kindle the Anger of God. There is acts of wickedness that will also kindle the Anger of God.

The ransom of sin, can be solved one of two ways, but ultimately God is the final Judge. If Obama seeks forgiveness God will grant him forgiveness, but charge him with repairing the damage he caused. This is only just with a just God. However, if in his hardness of heart, he refuses and exercises stubbornness against God, the Anger of the Lord shall fall upon him and incidentally, not only will he pay but the ones he leads will also pay for this wickedness.

At this point God will look for a worthy person, to overthrow him. God will call him out and make him stand before Obama and destroy him. This is way one.

The other way is the people rise up in one voice and demand him to either change and come back to earth out of his wickedness, or resign.

Now I'm kinda going backwards with this but if you follow it from the end to the beginning you will see how it is done.

For the people's anger to be kindled against Obama, a great percentage of the people must act. Samuel Adams, and Ben Franklin, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson took their resources and influence to convince the people to stand together by logical citing the reasons for separation.

That is what we must do, we must not forget the mistakes of Obama and charge Obama, like Nixon was charged. Make Congress we are not going to bury this. Take to the streets and hold an honorable demonstration, that is peaceful.

If it is an honorable demonstration, and a peaceful one, and if the police, or national guard, are brought in under the excuse to control the crowd, then the tyranny is exposed. Lyndon Johnston had to face that in the 60s. Violence is not needed. The threat of violence however may be needed. It depends upon how stubborn our elected officials are.

Take this in consideration: there are 100 senators, and there are 435 Representatives in the Legislative Branch. There are I think 13 Justices on the supreme court and of the President's cabinet there are about 10 or 13, I can't remember the exact number, but it is below 50. Now if I take 100+435+13+50(say the max) this equals, 535 Legislature, 13 Justice, 50 Executives, or a total of 598 members of the Government. How many people are their in the population of the United States?

So it stands to reason that the Government is outnumbered by the people. Yes, we can sue the government for not doing their job it is part of the Bill of Rights in the redress of grievances. However, this right is used to gain money and not gain true change. We need change not money. For if true change is done, then the prosperity will reap more money if the money was not accepted.

Now we can refuse to pay taxes but if an individual does he is punished but if everyone does the law changes. So therefore, it is true that one person does not have enough power to overthrow the tyrant. But there is an old saying in Government, the "squeaky wheel gets the oil", the longer we speak out against this tyranny in peaceful protest, the quicker change will come. But the first step is to speak out and have a redress of Grievances to start the process. We need backing. We need backing of the media, of our friends, neighbors, employers, workers, we need backing.

If the government sees one man on a march to the white house, there will be no change. But Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., went to Washington with a crowd of thousands. John and Robert Kennedy listened and acted.

This is what we need. We are not raising a leader up to become a martyr, however depending upon the stubbornness of the president, that may happen. Be prepared for that. Make sure that whosoever becomes our leader in this cause, is replaceable by another who can take his place should anything happen to the chosen leader.

At this point the Government cannot stop us. They, just like us, don't know what to do in this crisis. There is a right way, a wrong way and an apathetic way of solving this crisis. Obama has done it the wrong way and we, the people need to hold him responsible.

Do not be discouraged because it will be a rocky road but exercise diligence and belief in the cause. I wish Anonymous, would jump on this band wagon and join us, because most of them know how to get the information out and can be a thorn in the side of the Government.

I hope corporations, that see the evil that president Obama is doing, come to their senses and join our cause. At this point, when we come to the point of no return, words of Benjamin Franklin will come back to haunt us, "We will either (re)start this nation, or we will be hanged as traitors."

Sorry Ben, we would not be considered traitors because we are fighting against a traitor. But we may be hanged for trumped up illegal reasons anyway. But if you are like me, a patriot and God-fearing man, you cannot just sit by and watch this wickedness continue. You must pray and speak. Talk your head off. Use and abuse the first amendment until Obama is so tired of hearing about it he resigns.

If the situations merits acts of extremism, as in the civil rights fight, use this weapon as a last resort. Provide the least amount of casualties possible. We do not want to destroy the man, we want to remove him from office. But if the situation merits an act of violence, I recommend taking over by force a media outlet station and using off grid power and speaking until their armies haul you away. The longer you speak on this subject, the more people will listen. Hold no one hostage and harm no one. The point is not violence. Show that Arvy guy that supposedly helped Obama get into office and was his mentor, that violence solves nothing. Make sure it is a peaceful exercise of our first amendment rights we just needed the equipment to be broadcast to the people. This would not be considered an act of terrorism nor would it be considered a revolutionary act against the Government, especially when the people learn we are protected the Constitution not destroying it.

I prefer however using the internet to voice my concerns. From the luxury of my computer I can voice my concerns and hopefully it would go viral for all to see. Just on this site alone, I am finding that people are like me and have the same concerns. We do not want our country to fall because of Obamas. We will not let this happen. That is why I continue to speak. And the beauty of the internet is if I get shunned or kicked off of one site I can go to another. Facebook and twitter have not done that to me yet but it may come. I don't care, for what is right is right and I'm am not going to let 200 years of freedom be destroyed by an idiot in the white house.

Make my words go viral. Let it be known. I am charging the President of the United States with Serious offenses and I will not let up. And the most scary part of the whole ordeal is I am not alone, but I think I am the most peaceful speaker. For I will not raise arms against the country I love, when I am trying to persuade them. But I will raise up arms against terrorists, foreign or domestic.

We are Americans. And in a sense we are a family, we do care for each other, look at the aftermath of 911, the bombing of Pearl Harbor, and the Alamo, and Gettysburg if you need examples. We may fight amongst ourselves but when it comes down to it, it is because we care. We care for one another. We support, 'Love Thy Neighbor' so I ask my Neighbor 'speak out' make your concerns known. and realize there are many among us that believe in the same thing.

The art of Persuasion not the Gun is needed here. I would be the first to condemn the man, who uses violence to persuade our elected officials. Yes stop the money, and the votes by all means but do not harm the American Citizen!

Look at the Christian Slater movie, "Pump Up the Volume" and watch how Christian Slater convinces the Young to speak up! That is what I am doing you you all today. Speak up. Be responsible and speak up. Do not be rude, do not be crude. Condemn what is wrong and speak up! That is what we all must do. On an intellectual and common level speak up!

Follow the example of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. minister of Christ. Speak up. Dr. King never showed violence toward the white man. And Dr. King fought for all people, not only for the black man. He was a Child and student of Christ! He spoke up and protested peacefully. Using his example, this is what we must do.

If we are sucessful, we will show, the government and the world five things. 1. that terrorism is not the way to bring about change. Violence is never the answer. 2. that the people have the power in these United States. 3. That a government of the people, by the people, and for the people shall not perish from the earth. 4. that it is healthy for a country founded with God given principles, need the people to speak out against them to ensure justice, freedom and liberty to all. And 5. that America is not full of infidels and greedy money grubbing men, seeking to destroy nations overseas!'

So you ask me, "What am I to do?", I say pray, speak, persuade, and be diligent. This will not happen overnight but if enough of us speak, then we will be heard. Dr.King was given a deaf ear from the government for years until he stood on the capitol steps that day in 1962. And it took 20 years after his death, until true change came. Be diligent, and persevere, May the Grace and Peace of Our Lord Jesus be with you in these trying times and Comfort you during the frustration of this cause. Thank you.
The first thing a single person must do is pray to... (show quote)





Your calculations are not right. The other is how many Americans do you think would stand up with you?

You will have to uses violence. Here is why. Just like MLK, the leaders will be killed by the government and the next ones that stand up and push the people to stand up will be gone, you see the government will not just roll over. When MLK life was done, so was the movement.

You have to remember that 50% of Americans likes what Obama is doing and back him, the other 50% hate him.

Here where your calculation is off. You will have at least 1 million police to show up, you will have 1 million military personnel to show up, you will have FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, EPA, Border Patrol and Home Land Security to show up and 25% of Americans Democrats.

I ask this question already.

How many people do you think it will take to remove Congress, Senate and Obama from office??????

Don't forget, that when you start something like this they will All Go Into Hiding.

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Jul 11, 2014 20:48:56   #
saveamerica Loc: Texas
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
Obama is 2/3 of Government. That is required. 3/4 of the House, and 3/4 of the Senate, and 2/3 of the Supreme Court Justices. In other words he has to be removed by both the Legislative and Judicial Branch by majority vote. Congress is a whole different issue. But wait a minute now I have to look it up, its in Article I, II and III of the U.S. Constitution. Under the section of Removing an elected official from office. I'll get back to you on that.




I know that. But, who going to do it??? Congress don't have the Balls to Impeach Obama and he knows it.

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Jul 11, 2014 21:56:10   #
BearK Loc: TN
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
The first thing a single person must do is pray to God for guidance and reassurance. For me, God is the power that inspires me to speak and act to support the Constitution. Know that in the days of our founding even up to this day, Congress has prayed.

So you ask me, "What am I to do?", I say pray, speak, persuade, and be diligent. This will not happen overnight but if enough of us speak, then we will be heard. Dr.King was given a deaf ear from the government for years until he stood on the capitol steps that day in 1962. And it took 20 years after his death, until true change came. Be diligent, and persevere, May the Grace and Peace of Our Lord Jesus be with you in these trying times and Comfort you during the frustration of this cause. Thank you.
The first thing a single person must do is pray to... (show quote)



When you ask, in prayer, with a sincere heart God knows where you are coming from. God also gives you something to work with - Moses had his staff, David had his slingshot.

I have read the Bible all be myself. When I'd come to something I didn't understand, or didn't feel right, fair, whatever - I'd sit there and talk to God about it - AND every time He would give me the answer.

As a country, we have not only become fat and lazy, but we have just sat dumb while we allowed the 'fruitcakes and whatever' to control things and take this Nation on a rapid downward spiral. There should have been screaming from the outset when Madeline Murphy wanted God taken out of the schools. Look at what the schools are doing now! Dumb down our kids, teach them how to be obscene and promiscuous.

Ah yes, Lust and Greed. In DC, I believe that is the name of the game - and all of them look at 'Rome burning' (figuratively) and they are only concerned about where their next bundle of money will come from, or how they can use the taxpayer to make more for them. There are no morals, no ethics, nothing - empty suits.

It is not just Obama, he's the front. The power behind him is the Bilderberg Group - Morgan, Gould, Rockefeller, and all the other big bank men.

The problem with the odds you present is the fact that the welfare recipients are not going to want things to change. After so many years, and sometimes not that long, you settle in are satisfied going nowhere, accomplishing nothing, being a nobody, just collecting your subsistence.

Ah yes, Madeline Murphy was a 'squeaky wheel' and she got the oil she wanted. Have you kept up with some of the bills that have been passed as to how easy it is for Obama to decide to throw you in jail? I haven't kept up in detail, but I know there's 'no good to come from some of that legislation.

With the Kennedy's and even Johnson, I believe they were reasonable men (Johnson when push comes to shove). BUT, Obama - I think he believes he's next to god. I doubt there is a reasonable bone in that man's body.

Have you read the book "The Creature from Jekyll Island?" It exposes the Federal Reserve and the money men behind it. They have no loyalties to anyone or thing. They have all the money they want, now they want power and they want the poor, dumb, working slob to be their slave. I think the possibility that we would be 'hanged as traitors' may be very real. They just plain don't care, nor do they have feelings of compassion.

Your ideas are good and honorable, I would stand to fight, and die if necessary for my country. What makes me so skeptical is the fact that I have tried to talk to people - in church - and they don't want to hear it. They have the mind set - 'well, God has ordained what will be, nothing I do will change it.' Total apathy and disinterest - how depressing I found that to be.

There are many people who care, and what I truly expect, because of prayer, God will allow a natural disaster to occur, and you will then find pockets of people gathered together to support and care for one and other. It will be slow, many problems will arise but: 2 Cor 9:8 "And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work."

Yes, always keep praying, and sooner or later someone will hear you. Talk positive, and peaceful - my mother always said, "you get more bees with honey than with vinegar." Without Jesus - you have nothing. So blessings to you, and may the Word spread and inspire like an untamed wild fire.

Thank you.

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Jul 11, 2014 22:02:54   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
saveamerica wrote:
I have a question. You will need to do some strong thinking before you answer.

Just how many people do you think it will take to remove Congress or Obama???


Okay according to the Constitution Article I section two, "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers;and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment"

According to the Constitution Article I section three, "
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law"

According to Article II, section one, "In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected."

According to Article II, section 4, "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

According to Article III, section 2, "The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment; shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed."

According to Article III, section 3, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted."

According to Article VI, "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." (This is where the current President is in violation of, President Obama is guilty of this part of the Constitution. He is also Guilty of Article IV "SECTION. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.")

In Obama's Lawsuit against Arizona's 1070 Obama is guilty of violating the 10th Amendment which states, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." He exercised powers not allotted to him for the defense of the state of Arizona, in the "invasion of illegal immigrants"

So to answer your question 2/3 of the house of Representatives to impeach, and 2/3 of the Senate to convict. So 2/3 of 435 Representatives in the house, and 2/3 of 100 Senators. Plus the Justice Department shall stand as Judge Advocate. After the President has been removed from office, he can be tried for the crimes in criminal court.

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Jul 11, 2014 22:11:05   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
Now, I am not a lawyer but after reading the Constitution of the United States to find how many people it would take for Impeachment, and removal from office, I found briefly, Articles and sections in which the President is in violation of. I invite all of you to re-read the constitution at http://constitutioncenter.org/constitution/full-text

This battle is going to get very interesting in the next few months.

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Jul 12, 2014 00:16:36   #
Sicilianthing
 
saveamerica wrote:
There has been plans to mobilize but, no one showed up.


Need a Bundy type incident but worse... then watch what happens...
Texas Miltia is on the way to the border now... we'll see what happens with that.

What the Govt see but doesn't consent to is the Peoples rights to take over control through Militia by the people.
If Washington thinks they're going to be calling the shots when the Militia is already deployed, they are Mortally mistaken !

That's the picture most people here can't comprehend as I scan through all the posts daily.

So now comes the Beta test and you'll see in real time this weekend how it takes shape.

Standby and stay plugged in.
It's going to get really really interesting.

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Jul 12, 2014 06:49:04   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Need a Bundy type incident but worse... then watch what happens...
Texas Miltia is on the way to the border now... we'll see what happens with that.

What the Govt see but doesn't consent to is the Peoples rights to take over control through Militia by the people.
If Washington thinks they're going to be calling the shots when the Militia is already deployed, they are Mortally mistaken !

That's the picture most people here can't comprehend as I scan through all the posts daily.

So now comes the Beta test and you'll see in real time this weekend how it takes shape.

Standby and stay plugged in.
It's going to get really really interesting.
Need a Bundy type incident but worse... then watch... (show quote)

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I love your passion!! But I think what you see here, though it isn't voiced too often, is that a group of citizens will have a hard time winning against a government that has decided they are more trouble than they are worth. The militias don't have drones, bombers, armored vehicles, poison gas, grenades, various assault weapons, and an entire military under their command, including armed agencies and bureaus who work for the government. If all these things are set against the militias, things would get really nasty fast, and Obama has no conscience, is a control freak, and in my view a sociopath who holds no respect for our military or anyone who happens to be white or who happens to truly love America.

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