buffalo Loc: Texas

The problem lies in the fact that, like in the shit that is happening in the middle east and has happened for 1000s of years, WE cannot fight an ideology with military force (that is the farce we have been fed). You cannot beat or bomb democracy and freedom into a people that do not understand it much less want it. They have to want it and fight for it themselves.

Just like the American Revolution, the people wanted freedom from a tyrannical, oppressive government, fought for it and won it at great cost. Have we now lost our desire for freedom from the oppressive, tyrannical government it has/is becoming? Have we been lulled into, lied to, and propagandized into a false sense of security? All the while we are daily losing our freedoms, socially, economically and politically. Only to be ruled by an oligarch bent on destroying those ideals all for their our greed and hunger for power and control.

Have we lost our understanding and desire of what it means to be truly free in return for a false sense of security? Are we like the proverbial frog in the pot of water with the "heat" being slowly turned up?

There are only 2 things we should ever fight for. That is to defend our homeland and defend the Bill of Rights. Which is under assault right now?

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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I'm 100% with you, buffalo! My partner and I have done our share of trying to cover as many bases as we can with the limited knowledge we have. Have an outside garden, and an in-house garden. Have amassed a goodly amount of nonperishable food. We understand our electrical grid can go - and that everything electric will be unavailable. We've tried to cover our butts with some precious metals, and are currently amassing things people may be in want of when our economy, and probably government, collapse. We see trade and bartering in the future. Fact is, in our mid '70's is NOT the time for us to have to fight oppression. We are both creaky, tire easily, etc. But we do know we are better off than most of the people we personally know. Some of them have more money, but we have prepared for disaster better than they have. We would go all the way in preparing if we had the capital to do so, but don't, so took a course in handgun use and care. (I cannot believe I am talking like this in America!)

buffalo Loc: Texas

Ditto! Its frightening and scary, but sadly true.

Our Fore Fathers Weep

BearK Loc: TN

I know it's not the Christian way. We are to pray for our leaders, but I would have to be on my knees all day and still find it hard to do. I'd rather be true to my character - even fibs bother me. God knows what he's like, and He knows my heart - I find it too difficult to play a phoney part.

Sicilianthing

AWESOME article and well written, if I only had the patience to sit down and write/convey the atrocities like that.
Thank You for this input Buffalo, this is the kind of stuff we need in here for all to see... this is the kind of material we need daily so people wake up and we get more to join in.
I couldn't agree more..... the CLOWNWIZZARDS are just laughing at all of us while they sit in their G8 and sacrificial meetings with Bilders to invent ways to SCREW Mankind over and over and over again...
They do not deserve to be among the living when the fighting starts...

BearK Loc: TN

I like your sheople, sheep sure are dumb and there are times we bend over backwards to prove it. Yes, the diverseness has been deliberate, keep sheople bickering back and forth and they won't unite to find common ground. Everything you say is right on.

O'crappo does a super job of playing 'distractor and chief.' As soon as a real problem surfaces, he comes up with some phony problem that is of no real consequence, but the MSM will play it up big for him to drown out anything negative.

Why was Kennedy assassinated? He was going to get rid of the Federal Reserve. Let's face it, that's where the power, and the problems lie. To get away with killing a president, and have it all covered up so smoothly - they are powerful, evil to the core, and wouldn't hesitate for a minute to kill off all dissidents. Tough, there will be plenty of dissidents left because they have decided to push too hard, too fast. They haven't accomplished their goal of dumbing down the young people to the degree to completely control them yet. This was one Presidential decree I wish had seen the light of day:

http://www.rense.com/general76/jfkvs.htm

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Bear, I am not a Biblical scholar and not a church goer, though I was when I was young. I know the Bible says to pray for your leaders, but I think I know how God feels about leaders such as much of the world has now, and I think He isn't too enamored of them. And frankly, I don't think He would consign me to Hell if I bopped one of them in the eye. And, ohhhh, how I would so love to do just that!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sicilianthing

It's true Bear, the 8FED and Banksters are all behind it and everything else...
They conquer and divide through an array of orchestrated WALLSTREET/Slimestreet and monetary methods deployed to cause damage on the masses...

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Didn't St. Paul say in Corinthians, "Faith without works is dead"? Isn't it true that an unjust law is no law at all? And doesn't from time to time the Catholic Church ask their members for civil disobedience which is different from breaking the law?

We must as Christians shun, evil men, may God rebuke them. We must condemn sin, and convince the sinner to sin no more. Hate the Sin and save the sinner. However, we do not have to tolerate evil when it is on our doorstep, in our homes, and on our property. For our property is ours to do with as we please. However, public property is not ours and we must respect others. However, in respecting others we must also respect ourselves. If it is right for an atheist to make a Christian take down his cross, then it is right for the Christian to make the atheist control their behavior. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Now mind you the principle stated above used the example of a Christian and an atheist.

If the government of John Q Public is going to assume authority over the people for whatever reason, then the Christian complains about the atheist must be heard, just like the complaints about the Christian. For example, if the Greek God Justice can be raised upon a public building, then the Christian God, Jesus Christ can be raised upon a public building. And if either Justice or Jesus Christ is offense then both must be taken down. In reality however, and based upon this principle, neither Justice nor Jesus is offensive so why have this argument?

Upon examining this situation, more closely we find that the seculars are complaining about bigotry when the Christian complains. However, is bigotry a one way street, I think not! So to ensure Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of happiness, some think that neither the Christian or the Secular have a right to complain.

This stance worked for approximately 20 years in the United States until the seculars pushed too far. Yes in the past the Conservatives who were made up of mostly Christians did abuse their power. However, the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction. Now the bigots are on the otherside. Yet, because these people's parents were truly victims of bigots, the children do not accept either the faith, and they are sensitive to the comments from their adversaries. This is unfair to both groups. Both the Christian and the secular lose and it causes a losing battle for both. Therefore, it is right for the Christian to speak out about this injustice, just as it is just for the secular to speak out against the same injustice. However, prudence shall dictate according to divine providence, that an argument against the foundation of a principle, when it is rooted in sin, is unjust.

Incidentally I do believe I got that last statement from Thomas Jefferson himself in the federalist papers. Now even though the term "sin" is a religious term, man can "sin" against man. Sin is an ancient word meaning offense or trespass. Sin was special for it described an offense against a god or a deity. However, an offense is an offense, a sin is a sin, and a trespass is a trespass. Therefore, the Christians and Jewish people have a common law that is "Love God with all your heart, mind and soul. And love your neighbor as yourself." This is the common theme of the Law of Moses for it is written three times in the Hebrew Law. In Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy. Also I believe it is mentioned in Numbers and many other books of the Old Testament. In the New Testament it is commonly called the "Golden Rule". Now, for Jews and Christians, this is the rule to live by, for this rule sums up their God's law both Christian and Jew. The Chosen people of God are the priestly people of man. For the Jews were entrusted in showing an example for all people. The Jews rejected God many many times and God took them back. Then God chose the Christians.

To every group there is the adversary of that group. If Christians and Jews are "Conservatives" then the "Liberals" are the adversary. However, to be truly liberal is one who believes in Change. Change is accepted by both God and Man, so what's the problem? Right? Well change to promote sin against thy neighbor is wrong Liberals and Conservatives agree on that issue however, when laws are written to only include a Conservative or a Liberal then the Government is not fair for it is supporting one group over another. This supporting of one group over another is Bigotry. This was seen in many recorded Supreme Court cases in History. Just remember if it is a sin against the dignity of man, the justice of man, or the person of man, then it is a wicked evil. If it promotes the dignity of man, justice of man, responsible freedom of man or the person of man then it is an act of righteousness. Yes even a liberal can be just, Robert and John Kennedy are considered by me to be Just leaders seeking to make America greater than it was.

But every leader, no matter how ruthless they may be,(Bobby Kennedy was considered to be a ruthless Attorney General because he enforced the law), when they advocate true justice and true heavenly peace, end up paying for it with their lives. Example of this in the previous century are John and Robert Kennedy, as well as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and John Lennon. There were many others but these four stand out for America wept for them. Conservatives and Liberals alike, even our enemies wept for these great men. But what made them so great?

Now this is what we as Christians must keep in mind, one of the greatest qualities of these great men was "They accepted the duty that was given to them without compromise." When they were presented with a problem, instead of pleasing the crowd and putting a bandaid on the problem, they sought solutions that would be permanent. Each of these men, including yes, John Lennon believed in Divine Providence. When they "had the opportunity to act, they accepted the responsibility and duty to act", this founding principle is not only a founding father principle but a basic Christian principle. Let it now be known that this principle is the duty of every Christian. An example of this is when Bobby Kennedy said to the young people of the United States in the 60s, "Stamp out injustice wherever it may be."

Now injustice comes in many forms and remember the rule is if a man sins against another man it is unjust. Therefore, we must stop sin the cause of injustice. This is not a movement, this is a founding principle. Known to not only our founding fathers, but every leader of every group of humans since the dawn of time and the discovery of awareness. "I think therefore, I am", "I am therefore I have dignity", "I have dignity therefore my dignity must be protected"

Also man has a need to find a higher power. This need for the higher power, grants dignity and shows love to thier fellow man. This concept is true of every religion across the world and does not differ from one culture to another. This concept is the common theme that draws all people together. This is why the freedom of religion, or lack there of, is so important. This is why freedom of conscience is so important. If I am to believe in Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I dream" speech of 1962, when he commanded that we should be judged by the "content of our character." then what character content would be considered acceptable? Upon further research we find that Dr. King was Christian and Robert and John were Catholic.

In a time of great trial in the United States, two Catholics accepted a Baptist minister on judging a man, by the content of his character. Thus, Civil Rights was reborn. These founding principles of Civil Rights should be known for today we forgot what the Civil Rights were about and now today the meaning is pushed too far to the liberal side that Sin is hard to determine logically, but the conscience knows sin and will make a man with a conscience feel guilty should he act in a way contrary to this principle.

The principle of Civil Rights are born with the Christian ideology of "hate the sin, not the sinner" which extend Civil Rights to include the Unborn Child, the Old, and the Criminals on death row. The dignity of Life is more precious to the one believing in Civil Rights, to be subjected to a Court Order of Death.

However, should the knowledge of wickedness, twist the principle, that wickedness must be as Robert put it, "stamped out". So, keeping with these principles and in conclusion, to act in a matter, to preserve the spirit of the Law and its interpretation, we must as Christians, and Conservatives, as a people, Liberal, we must stamp out injustice, while preserving this principle. This single principle, was described by Thomas Jefferson in the first few lines of the Declaration of Independence that began with "When in the course of human events...."

God bless America, and hopefully in the Grace of God's blessing, Christians, Liberals and Conservatives alike will remember the principles and defend the Constitution and bring back the rule of law. I have shown in my first post the "sin" of Obama against the Constitution in Article II and III of the United States Constitution. It is up to us as a people to force our elected officials to act against this sin of tyranny. We have a duty and a responsibility to act. Our Congressmen have a duty and a responsibility to act. Therefore it is our time to show the greatness of America, during our test, and show God and the world that America is great, and has not lost favor or grace with God, it just took time, for our light to speak as it is being blotted out by our transgressors.

God bless you all and may God grant you peace in your endeavor to fight for what some stated to me as a lost cause. However, Jimmy Stewart did say in, "Mr. Smith goes to Washington", "Lost causes are the ones you fight the most hard est for because of one rule, 'Love thy neighbor' and I will stay here and continue to fight for this lost cause until this room gets filled with lies like these. Somebody will listen to me. Somebody.."

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

A beautiful and well-founded statement, Ranger, and I thank you for it. One so needs to hear a bit of sanity from time to time, and so much in politics is so far removed from sanity that it's easy to get lost.

BearK Loc: TN

Thank you is in order, but our officials who go to DC, in no time at all, develop a deaf ear to the requests of the home folks. Money certainly corrupts and they allow it to corrupt them in record time anymore. It's only local - city, county, and/or state that the public have any sway over now. If people would put aside petty differences and work together for a greater good, at least on a local level they could accomplish something.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

I appreciate the 'thank you' and I thank you for reading my statement. Now, I want to educate you on the secret to surviving our system so to speak. If you really examine the constitution you will find out two things. One the true power is in the people and two, no matter how arrogant of a politician you are, you must fear the people.

This system of government is intended to work on the local level. The local level is supposed to be free of external higher level politics. And for the most part they are. It is an abomination to have "entitlements." The intended purpose of entitlements were designed around the great depression and were supposed to end 20 years thereafter. This is what John Kennedy was shooting for. But instead, after he was killed, Johnson not only extended the Vietnam War, but he extended the entitlements, and every democratic president since has done the same.

National issues are not supposed to effect us on a local level, and local issues are not supposed to effect the entire country. What is right in San Francisco, may or may not be right in New York, Chicago, and New Orleans, let alone Los Angeles. And vice a versa. Knowing this, the framers of the Constitution wanted to allow local authority to have the power, where federal authority just played support.

So the founding fathers created the Articles of Confederation, which gave too much power to the states and local authority. It did not work, so the Continental Congress met again and overthrew the Articles of Confederation and created the Constitutional Government which gives equal power to the branches of government, the state, and the local authority and the people.

If we have Common Sense anymore, then it stands to reason that one American Citizen, has the same power as the Local Authority, as the State Authority, as the Federal Authority. One person, one citizen is equal to a State, The Executive branch, the Legislative branch, and the Judicial branch. Look at it this way in terms of entity.

A single American is an entity. A city, or village, or community is one entity. A county is an entity. A state is an entity. The Executive Branch is an entity, the Legislative Branch is two entities and the Judicial Branch is a Single entity. The Legislative Branch is different due to the fact that it is made up of two houses. That is the Senator is an entity and the Representatives are an entity.

Now our system works on the representative basis. If there is a need in the local level. The locals can petition the government for help. The next level whether it originates in a city or a county is the state. Then the Federal Government. This is how commerce and law enforcement is established and it is the locals that give these higher levels their power. If locals say "no" then the word is no. We saw this just recently with the tensions in Nevada, where once again the Federal Government overstepped their bounds for this was a local issue not a federal issue. And once again Harry Reid made it a federal issue.

Look at Waco, Texas and Ruby Ridge Colorado, the shootings at the schools starting with Columbine, Colorado, and reaching as far east as Sandy Hook elementary. Let me be more clear, if you live in the pioneer states, it would be justifiable to have a gun for hunting. But if you live in the inner cities the only reason to have a gun is for protection.

Now the law of the land, the second amendment, guarantees the right to bear arms to every American, this is only within reason. For the entities have a right as guaranteed by the Constitution to protect themselves. This applies to the man with the gun as much as it applies to the man without the gun.

Liberals would have you believe that a pen written law, will protect you should a man with a gun arrive at your home. Physics says different. No matter what law you write if the people don't abide by it then it is no law at all.

My whole point of this discussion is simply the Constitution is meant for locals. Not for bigger and bigger government.

Let me let you in on a secret. Control is easiest with the fewest number of human beings involved. The more bureaucracy that is involved the longer it takes for answer. Look at the boys in the Alamo waiting for an answer from Congress. Until Sam Houston did something about the crisis.

If Congress waits too long then the people will react on their own. This is why the Constitution was written the way it was. The people are to lead the government not the government lead the people. Make sense. Don't put the cart before the horse. We the people are the horse, and the government on all levels are the cart.

BearK Loc: TN

I appreciate your in-depth explanation of how it is suppose to work, it's a matter of getting people to work at it. When I refer to people putting aside petty differences - I do mean the local people.

You go to council meetings, you may be able to change some one's mind, but the next fellow talk to him and he may change it back. That's what I mean about working together, locals joining a united front.

Not only that, I have found so many people are totally apathetic about things. Their attitude, around here at least, is 'well, it's in God's hands.' I could hit them in the head - God doesn't do it for you. You have to pick up the gauntlet and put it on to have it be effective and God will do His part for you. That was true with Moses and his staff, David and his slingshot. It boils down to having some gumption and guts.

Sicilianthing

Thank You Ranger, that is exactly what we all need here and the other 300million that aren't plugged in.
So that being said, CONGRESS is not listening to any of us hardly so the people need to execute a REDRESS of Grievances as given in the 1st amendment and if that doesn't get their attention then the Militia will to remove them....
The last attempt at the Redress was at www.the99declaration.org
Maybe you can help start the process again?

Weyner

I'm ready to do both,we have to get it done,times are Now!