kemmer wrote:
But he happily sends us there anyway. God’s funny that way.
🙄
You still don’t get it! He doesn’t send you there, you do!
RascalRiley wrote:
>The first person to go into the Lake of Fire will be the antichrist<
Many have speculated that will be Trump.
You are wrong, ovomit fits more accurately and the leftists!
kemmer wrote:
You clowns think just because I don’t buy into all that complicated crap about hellfire and damnation that I don’t believe in God. All of that stuff is inconsistent with who and what God is. Every civilization invents all kinds of horrible fates for those who stray from the rules. It’s what humans do.
Every knee shall bow! No air conditioning in hell!
kemmer wrote:
Yup. Decades ago.
Ur a fraud! Billy graham greatest preacher of our time! Find one fault !
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
You still don’t get it! He doesn’t send you there, you do!
YOU don’t get it. Hell is a fiction. What sort of god would torture forever to punish some finite rule breaking. An earthly father trying similar would be put in jail.
kemmer wrote:
YOU don’t get it. Hell is a fiction. What sort of god would torture forever to punish some finite rule breaking. An earthly father trying similar would be put in jail.
The wages of sin is DEATH!Fear not those who can destroy the body but not the soul,
fear Him who can destroy both the body and the soul in Gehenna.Biblically Dispelling the Myth of Eternal TortureEternal Damnation: What does the Bible Really Teach?
Traditionally, the most prominent view regarding eternal damnation is that the people cast into hell—the lake of fire—will suffer fiery conscious torments forever and ever. Depicting the horrors of this belief was a favorite subject amongst artists in medieval times, resulting in all manner of imaginative and ghastly portraits of people suffering unending agony. Some have since tried to modify this position a bit, suggesting a more metaphorical view, that the unending pain experienced probably refers to the mental anguish of eternal loss and “separation from God;” but it makes no significant difference as both views involve the notion of eternal torment.
This may indeed be the traditionally prominent view regarding human damnation, but is it biblical? That is, do the Judeo-Christian scriptures really teach it? Will the multitudes of people who reject God, and hence are rejected by God, really be subjected to never-ending conscious misery—with no merciful pause to their agony?
One might contend that it is heretical to even question such a long-standing, widely accepted Christian teaching, but if this doctrine is truly scriptural then its proponents have nothing to worry about. Furthermore, it is only proper that all doctrines, no matter how traditional or popular, be questioned in light of what the bible clearly teaches, for it is the God-breathed scriptures alone which we must look to for truth, not popularity or religious tradition. This is the theological principle of sola scriptura, Latin for “by scripture alone,” which maintains that the bible is the final authority regarding all judgments of Christian doctrine and practice.
Because of this sound principle many traditional doctrines and practices have proven to be false over the years and have properly been discarded. Needless to say it’s a very positive thing for Christians to periodically reevaluate their beliefs and practices because it helps prevent Christendom from straying from the biblical model. Since reevaluating official church teachings is very much a part of the Christian heritage, and is indeed a healthy practice, there should be no problem presently in simply entertaining the possibility that tradition may be in error regarding this belief of perpetual conscious torment.
RascalRiley wrote:
>The first person to go into the Lake of Fire will be the antichrist<
Many have speculated that will be Trump.
Won't they be surprised when they arrive that Trump is nowhere to be found?
kemmer wrote:
I said nothing about your prayers. I am neither lost nor your enemy. But praying for my early death is problematical.
Not problematical, just unecessary. In a truly Darwinian universe such as the one to which you subscribe, it is a hiccup of probability that people like you have not become as extinct as the Dodo Bird faster than you can say
"Origin of Species."
Kemmer--Billy Graham had more wisdom in a drop of sweat-than you have in your whole body??
RascalRiley wrote:
>The first person to go into the Lake of Fire will be the antichrist<
Many have speculated that will be Trump.
Your speculation also….. careful my friend…. Your hell just might be living in that same Trump hell…. For eternity! Poetic Justice…. Just a thought.
tbutkovich wrote:
There is a difference between ‘Hell’ and the ‘Lake of Fire’. They are not the same place. In most people’s minds these are blended into one, but that is not biblically accurate. We therefore need to distinguish these places from each other and define them clearly.
Hell
Hell is not the Lake of Fire. At this moment, as you read this, nobody is yet in the Lake of Fire. The first person to go into the Lake of Fire will be the antichrist, followed by the false prophet and then, 1000 years later, by Satan himself. This will occur in the future, after Jesus has returned to the Earth. It is not until after these enter it that the great mass of unbelievers will be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Thus, nobody is in the Lake of Fire at the moment. Yet, there are countless people currently in Hell. What then is Hell?
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Hell is the grave!
If Jews are not followers of Yeshua HaMashiach, they will go to the grave and then the Lake of Fire.
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Not problematical, just unecessary. In a truly Darwinian universe such as the one to which you subscribe, it is a hiccup of probability that people like you have not become as extinct as the Dodo Bird faster than you can say "Origin of Species."
Hahaha…. Never a problem because straight couples have always—and will continue to—produce us.
Blade_Runner wrote:
The wages of sin is DEATH!Fear not those who can destroy the body but not the soul,
fear Him who can destroy both the body and the soul in Gehenna.Biblically Dispelling the Myth of Eternal TortureEternal Damnation: What does the Bible Really Teach?
Traditionally, the most prominent view regarding eternal damnation is that the people cast into hell—the lake of fire—will suffer fiery conscious torments forever and ever. Depicting the horrors of this belief was a favorite subject amongst artists in medieval times, resulting in all manner of imaginative and ghastly portraits of people suffering unending agony. Some have since tried to modify this position a bit, suggesting a more metaphorical view, that the unending pain experienced probably refers to the mental anguish of eternal loss and “separation from God;” but it makes no significant difference as both views involve the notion of eternal torment.
This may indeed be the traditionally prominent view regarding human damnation, but is it biblical? That is, do the Judeo-Christian scriptures really teach it? Will the multitudes of people who reject God, and hence are rejected by God, really be subjected to never-ending conscious misery—with no merciful pause to their agony?
One might contend that it is heretical to even question such a long-standing, widely accepted Christian teaching, but if this doctrine is truly scriptural then its proponents have nothing to worry about. Furthermore, it is only proper that all doctrines, no matter how traditional or popular, be questioned in light of what the bible clearly teaches, for it is the God-breathed scriptures alone which we must look to for truth, not popularity or religious tradition. This is the theological principle of sola scriptura, Latin for “by scripture alone,” which maintains that the bible is the final authority regarding all judgments of Christian doctrine and practice.
Because of this sound principle many traditional doctrines and practices have proven to be false over the years and have properly been discarded. Needless to say it’s a very positive thing for Christians to periodically reevaluate their beliefs and practices because it helps prevent Christendom from straying from the biblical model. Since reevaluating official church teachings is very much a part of the Christian heritage, and is indeed a healthy practice, there should be no problem presently in simply entertaining the possibility that tradition may be in error regarding this belief of perpetual conscious torment.
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An OK post. Since the gay thing is included in the “abomination list” containing the eating of shellfish and crustaceans, and wearing clothing of mixed fibers—long since discarded— why do fundamentalists keep running with the gay thing? An easier “us versus them”? Not going to bother looking it up, but does Leviticus append a “…thus sayeth the Lord” to his list, or is it just “…thus sayeth Leviticus”?
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