Martha's Vineyard Separates The MAGA Scum From Good People (Page 36): The horse, I'm almost afraid to ask?

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Parky60 wrote:

I feel sorry for that poor horse.

The horse, I'm almost afraid to ask?

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

microphor wrote:

Me too. My point is that it's been bad for many, many years.

It's scary

JR-57 Loc: South Carolina

Tiptop789 wrote:

That's fine for MA still aren't any cities on MV. As far as costs, MA still has a large surplus in the state budget.

Last time I checked, Martha’s Vineyard was located in Massachusetts, a Sanctuary State.

Are we splitting frog hairs now?

“Martha’s Vineyard has styled itself as a “sanctuary destination” that welcomes migrants — a position it took early in former President Donald Trump’s administration.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/florida-flies-migrants-to-sanctuary-destination-of-marthas-vineyard

I choose PBS specifically for you as a “trusted news source”.

JR-57 Loc: South Carolina

Tiptop789 wrote:

No, I'm not that funny. It was a true story though.

And a good pun, intentional or not.

EmilyD

Tiptop789 wrote:

That's fine for MA still aren't any cities on MV. As far as costs, MA still has a large surplus in the state budget.

That's right - a very large surplus! Large enough to pay for those illegals to live and work among all those Massholes who want illegals to come to the United States...... just not to Martha's Vineyard.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Tiptop789 wrote:

What does a "haven for illegals even mean? Yo... (show quote)

For your information, what is happening south of our border is evil. It is heartbreaking to see how horribly migrants are treated from the moment they begin their journey north, especially the women, girls, and children.
Rape and beatings are common, all too often the injured or sick are left to die, some are even killed.

It is truly painful for me to see pictures and videos of dead children floating in the Rio Grande,
or 50 immigrants baked to death in a truck,
or groups of children abandoned in the hot desert with no food or water.

If you told me to my face I am throwing shit out "to see what looks good" and that I am "happy to see others suffer",
I'd cut your heart out and eat it, you ignorant, dispassionate POS.

Eight migrants found dead in Rio Grande in Texas
New photos reveal disturbing conditions at US-Mexico border facilities
Broken Border: Biden immigration policies spur 'staggering' death toll

Rape Trees, Dead Migrants and the Consequences of an Unsecured Border
Many of the most caring people in the U.S. think they are helping the poor from Latin America by leaving our Southwest border unsecured between ports-of-entry, but they are not. Several of the transnational criminal organizations (cartels) operating in Central America and Mexico make an estimated one-third or more of their profits from illegal immigration. Specifically, two groups below Texas, the Gulf and Los Zetas cartels, are largely fueled by the trafficking and smuggling of human beings.

The brutality of these criminal groups, from incinerating innocents in a network of ovens to their near complete control of state and local governments, is largely paid for by funds generated from illegal immigration–a shadowy economic engine that is only possible because we refuse to properly secure our border with Mexico.

Women and young girls from Central America are routinely given birth control or morning-after pills by their mothers in anticipation of the likely sexual assaults that will occur on their illicit journey to the United States.

These females are often raped immediately upon making it to their first stop once they arrive in a Mexican stash house from Guatemala. They then are shipped to the U.S.-Mexico border, usually to Reynosa, Mexico, immediately south of McAllen, Texas. In the process of making it from the first stash house to the second, the women and young girls are often sexually assaulted or raped again by the smuggler–or group of smugglers–taking them between the two locations. The sexual assaults and rapes then often happen again in the second Mexican stash house of their journey.

They are then trickled into the U.S. across the porous border and brought to a third stash house in a U.S. border town, usually in or near McAllen, Texas. They are often sexually assaulted or raped again by the operator of the stash house if they are deemed attractive by the criminals operating the clandestine facility. They are stockpiled until the cartel wants to send a large load of narcotics across the Rio Grande. The cartel then sends a large load of humans across in one area and then a drug load across in another.

Once the human beings are in Texas, another smuggler then picks up the women and young girls and drives them with a coyote to a point along Highway 281 just before the Border patrol checkpoint immediately south of Falfurrias, Texas. The checkpoint is approximately 85 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border.

Rape trees

The women and young girls exit the vehicle with their coyote and attempt to make their way around the checkpoint. Most of the apprehended illegal migrants say they were told it would be a 30-minute hike and that they were given a gallon of water for their trip. The reality is that the hike usually takes 3-4 days. It is common for the coyote to sexually assault or rape the females on this stretch of the journey as well. These coyotes usually remove an article of clothing from the female they rape and they tie it tightly to a tree—a rape tree.

“The rape trees are a common practice in this area,” said Daniel Walden, a human trafficking investigator and instructor who founded a team of volunteer police officers who donate their time to help patrol in Brooks County, which is among Texas’ poorest counties. “The women are warned in Mexico that they likely will be raped and assaulted during the trafficking process. It is common for mothers to put their young daughters on the pill or some other form of contraception before sending them north.”

“Human trafficking is about the smuggler having power and control over their victims. The rape trees send a signal to those who follow about what will happen if you get out of line. The women are terrorized into submission,” Walden explained during an interview with Breitbart Texas. “While I have only seen one rape tree personally, we get reports from inside the ranches about them on a regular basis.”

Linda Vickers is one of those ranchers. Her ranch is located just north of the Border Patrol checkpoint south of Falfurrias. These smuggled aliens are led across her property on a regular basis.

“Many years ago, I used to see bras and women’s jeans hung in trees on our property, but I didn’t know why,” Vickers told Breitbart Texas in an interview on Saturday. “I do now.”

“It is common to find not only these rape trees but condoms as well,” the Texas rancher explained. “I find these rape trees and condoms to be unnerving and it is a reminder of the unsavory character of the criminal trespassers on my ranch. It makes me very angry.”

Vickers said she is often asked if she feels safe on the ranch she calls home. “I would not if not for my pistol, my own alertness to my surroundings and my K-9s,” she explained. “These dogs let me live a normal life out here without fear.”

The South Texas rancher recounted episodes on her ranch where they found groups of women and young girls. “These women and girls would huddle up together away from the men after the groups were captured,” Vickers said.

She described a scene where a Mexican woman named Norma had teamed up with a 12-year-old girl named Delia. They were not related but Norma had taken Delia under her wing to protect her. The two had become separated from their smugglers the day before being found on the Vicker’s ranch. “I thought it was nice of her to take care of the young girl as they were traveling through this very dangerous territory.”

The injured and tired left to die

Some of the women and young girls get hurt; an ankle gets sprained, a foot broken, or they simply get exhausted and can’t physically continue. They are then left to die by their coyote—and they often do. The county that the Falfurrias checkpoint is in is Brooks County. They have six deputies to patrol nearly 1,000 square miles. Forty-four bodies were found in the area in 2014 alone, with 129 found last year. Some are men, some are women, but all were left to die after an injury or the inability to keep up with the group they were traveling with.

Some of the illegal migrants make their way to a road and get rescued by law enforcement, others are not so lucky and they are found dead under a tree, usually half-eaten by vultures and other animals. Some of the women and young girls are picked up by sex traffickers who patrol the area looking for vulnerable prey.

“The woman from El Salvador was very lucky that morning when we found her,” Walden said recalling the 2014 incident. “First she was lucky to find her way to a roadway where she could be discovered. The brushland all looks the same and experienced hikers get lost in minutes without navigational aids. The temperature that day was heading to the high 90’s and water is scarce.”

“She was also lucky it was us that found her and not one of the human trafficking coyotes in the area that routinely drive along this particular road,” the deputy continued. “They are looking for women just like her they can turn into sex slaves in one of Texas’ larger cities.”

The women and young girls who are lucky enough to get apprehended by law enforcement often refuse to talk about their assaults until much later. Many of them express fear for themselves or their families, as the coyotes have often threatened to kill them if the victim talks about the ordeal.

Breitbart Texas witnessed first-hand, the horrible deaths that befell many of the travelers through this region. The photo above is one of two Mexican men left to die along the trail after they became too weak to keep up. After receiving a 911 call at the Brooks County Sheriff’s office, Border Patrol BORSTAR rescue teams searched for more than a day to find the two men. The one pictured above was found first. About 12 hours later, the second man was found further up the trail.

In the Brooks County Sheriff’s Office, Chief Deputy Benny Martinez is no stranger to the death and suffering caused by our country’s unsecured border policy. His department’s small staff of deputies are routinely sent out to recover the remains of the victims or pick up the survivors. His very small and underfunded department is supplemented by the volunteer efforts of those like Walden and his Border Brotherhood of Texas volunteer deputies.

“Fortunately, because of the efforts of our deputies, the Border Patrol’s presence, help from the State of Texas with Texas Rangers, Department of Public Safety Troopers, and members of the Texas State Guard, the number of deaths this year is lower,” Martinez told Breitbart Texas in an interview. “We have worked hard to do as much as we can with the limited resources we have and have pushed state officials to send us help. The lives saved as a result speaks to how well our people are doing.”

Countless Border Patrol agents and county law enforcement officers from across the entire 1,994-mile Southwest border with Mexico have repeated their versions of these same stories—ad-nauseam. The journeys and time spent by Breitbart Texas in border communities from the coast of Texas to the coast of California all share commonality in that women and young girls are exploited in a similar fashion by the coyotes who bring them into the U.S. illegally. There are minor differences, dependent upon the region, but they all share the same core: Mexican cartels and the human smugglers to whom they lease routes exploit the porous U.S.-Mexico border and humanity’s most vulnerable always suffer the most.

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Body of dead migrant, Brooks County, TX.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Blade_Runner wrote:

For your information, what is happening south of our border is evil. It is heartbreaking to see how horribly migrants are treated from the moment they begin their journey north, especially the women, girls, and children.
Rape and beatings are common, all too often the injured or sick are left to die, some are even killed.

It is truly painful for me to see pictures and videos of dead children floating in the Rio Grande,
or 50 immigrants baked to death in a truck,
or groups of children abandoned in the hot desert with no food or water.

If you told me to my face I am throwing shit out "to see what looks good" and that I am "happy to see others suffer",
I'd cut your heart out and eat it, you ignorant, dispassionate POS.

Eight migrants found dead in Rio Grande in Texas
New photos reveal disturbing conditions at US-Mexico border facilities
Broken Border: Biden immigration policies spur 'staggering' death toll

Rape Trees, Dead Migrants and the Consequences of an Unsecured Border
Many of the most caring people in the U.S. think they are helping the poor from Latin America by leaving our Southwest border unsecured between ports-of-entry, but they are not. Several of the transnational criminal organizations (cartels) operating in Central America and Mexico make an estimated one-third or more of their profits from illegal immigration. Specifically, two groups below Texas, the Gulf and Los Zetas cartels, are largely fueled by the trafficking and smuggling of human beings.

The brutality of these criminal groups, from incinerating innocents in a network of ovens to their near complete control of state and local governments, is largely paid for by funds generated from illegal immigration–a shadowy economic engine that is only possible because we refuse to properly secure our border with Mexico.

Women and young girls from Central America are routinely given birth control or morning-after pills by their mothers in anticipation of the likely sexual assaults that will occur on their illicit journey to the United States.

These females are often raped immediately upon making it to their first stop once they arrive in a Mexican stash house from Guatemala. They then are shipped to the U.S.-Mexico border, usually to Reynosa, Mexico, immediately south of McAllen, Texas. In the process of making it from the first stash house to the second, the women and young girls are often sexually assaulted or raped again by the smuggler–or group of smugglers–taking them between the two locations. The sexual assaults and rapes then often happen again in the second Mexican stash house of their journey.

They are then trickled into the U.S. across the porous border and brought to a third stash house in a U.S. border town, usually in or near McAllen, Texas. They are often sexually assaulted or raped again by the operator of the stash house if they are deemed attractive by the criminals operating the clandestine facility. They are stockpiled until the cartel wants to send a large load of narcotics across the Rio Grande. The cartel then sends a large load of humans across in one area and then a drug load across in another.

Once the human beings are in Texas, another smuggler then picks up the women and young girls and drives them with a coyote to a point along Highway 281 just before the Border patrol checkpoint immediately south of Falfurrias, Texas. The checkpoint is approximately 85 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border.

Rape trees

The women and young girls exit the vehicle with their coyote and attempt to make their way around the checkpoint. Most of the apprehended illegal migrants say they were told it would be a 30-minute hike and that they were given a gallon of water for their trip. The reality is that the hike usually takes 3-4 days. It is common for the coyote to sexually assault or rape the females on this stretch of the journey as well. These coyotes usually remove an article of clothing from the female they rape and they tie it tightly to a tree—a rape tree.

“The rape trees are a common practice in this area,” said Daniel Walden, a human trafficking investigator and instructor who founded a team of volunteer police officers who donate their time to help patrol in Brooks County, which is among Texas’ poorest counties. “The women are warned in Mexico that they likely will be raped and assaulted during the trafficking process. It is common for mothers to put their young daughters on the pill or some other form of contraception before sending them north.”

“Human trafficking is about the smuggler having power and control over their victims. The rape trees send a signal to those who follow about what will happen if you get out of line. The women are terrorized into submission,” Walden explained during an interview with Breitbart Texas. “While I have only seen one rape tree personally, we get reports from inside the ranches about them on a regular basis.”

Linda Vickers is one of those ranchers. Her ranch is located just north of the Border Patrol checkpoint south of Falfurrias. These smuggled aliens are led across her property on a regular basis.

“Many years ago, I used to see bras and women’s jeans hung in trees on our property, but I didn’t know why,” Vickers told Breitbart Texas in an interview on Saturday. “I do now.”

“It is common to find not only these rape trees but condoms as well,” the Texas rancher explained. “I find these rape trees and condoms to be unnerving and it is a reminder of the unsavory character of the criminal trespassers on my ranch. It makes me very angry.”

Vickers said she is often asked if she feels safe on the ranch she calls home. “I would not if not for my pistol, my own alertness to my surroundings and my K-9s,” she explained. “These dogs let me live a normal life out here without fear.”

The South Texas rancher recounted episodes on her ranch where they found groups of women and young girls. “These women and girls would huddle up together away from the men after the groups were captured,” Vickers said.

She described a scene where a Mexican woman named Norma had teamed up with a 12-year-old girl named Delia. They were not related but Norma had taken Delia under her wing to protect her. The two had become separated from their smugglers the day before being found on the Vicker’s ranch. “I thought it was nice of her to take care of the young girl as they were traveling through this very dangerous territory.”

The injured and tired left to die

Some of the women and young girls get hurt; an ankle gets sprained, a foot broken, or they simply get exhausted and can’t physically continue. They are then left to die by their coyote—and they often do. The county that the Falfurrias checkpoint is in is Brooks County. They have six deputies to patrol nearly 1,000 square miles. Forty-four bodies were found in the area in 2014 alone, with 129 found last year. Some are men, some are women, but all were left to die after an injury or the inability to keep up with the group they were traveling with.

Some of the illegal migrants make their way to a road and get rescued by law enforcement, others are not so lucky and they are found dead under a tree, usually half-eaten by vultures and other animals. Some of the women and young girls are picked up by sex traffickers who patrol the area looking for vulnerable prey.

“The woman from El Salvador was very lucky that morning when we found her,” Walden said recalling the 2014 incident. “First she was lucky to find her way to a roadway where she could be discovered. The brushland all looks the same and experienced hikers get lost in minutes without navigational aids. The temperature that day was heading to the high 90’s and water is scarce.”

“She was also lucky it was us that found her and not one of the human trafficking coyotes in the area that routinely drive along this particular road,” the deputy continued. “They are looking for women just like her they can turn into sex slaves in one of Texas’ larger cities.”

The women and young girls who are lucky enough to get apprehended by law enforcement often refuse to talk about their assaults until much later. Many of them express fear for themselves or their families, as the coyotes have often threatened to kill them if the victim talks about the ordeal.

Breitbart Texas witnessed first-hand, the horrible deaths that befell many of the travelers through this region. The photo above is one of two Mexican men left to die along the trail after they became too weak to keep up. After receiving a 911 call at the Brooks County Sheriff’s office, Border Patrol BORSTAR rescue teams searched for more than a day to find the two men. The one pictured above was found first. About 12 hours later, the second man was found further up the trail.

In the Brooks County Sheriff’s Office, Chief Deputy Benny Martinez is no stranger to the death and suffering caused by our country’s unsecured border policy. His department’s small staff of deputies are routinely sent out to recover the remains of the victims or pick up the survivors. His very small and underfunded department is supplemented by the volunteer efforts of those like Walden and his Border Brotherhood of Texas volunteer deputies.

“Fortunately, because of the efforts of our deputies, the Border Patrol’s presence, help from the State of Texas with Texas Rangers, Department of Public Safety Troopers, and members of the Texas State Guard, the number of deaths this year is lower,” Martinez told Breitbart Texas in an interview. “We have worked hard to do as much as we can with the limited resources we have and have pushed state officials to send us help. The lives saved as a result speaks to how well our people are doing.”

Countless Border Patrol agents and county law enforcement officers from across the entire 1,994-mile Southwest border with Mexico have repeated their versions of these same stories—ad-nauseam. The journeys and time spent by Breitbart Texas in border communities from the coast of Texas to the coast of California all share commonality in that women and young girls are exploited in a similar fashion by the coyotes who bring them into the U.S. illegally. There are minor differences, dependent upon the region, but they all share the same core: Mexican cartels and the human smugglers to whom they lease routes exploit the porous U.S.-Mexico border and humanity’s most vulnerable always suffer the most.

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For your information, what is happening south of o... (show quote)

It is as you have described, it is nightmarish as in the worst nightmare many of them have or ever will experience.

I would come out of "retirement" to stand beside our military if we could go in and exterminate the cartels and dismantle the drug manufacturing and drug running business. The Mexican gov would have to help for the sake of their country as well as their military, although I think the greatest help we would get would be from the regular folks.

KimCurtis

Each and every one of those that went to Martha's Vinyard was ASKED if they WANTED TO GO THERE, and each of them said yes! No one was kidnapped or anything even approaching an immoral or illegal act!
Where do you people get off trying to twist the facts??
You haven't a clue what it's like to have illegal aliens dumped on YOUR doorstep! If you did, you'd very likely either shut up or you'd have a VERY different opinion!
There isn't a LEGAL reason these people are in this country! They SHOULD all be deported unless they can PROVE they came here for actual asylum from tyranny!
Get a grip and start checkng the facts before you spread bullshit and lies!

KimCurtis

Asking them if they want to go to Martha's Vinyard and flying them in a first-class plane on a nice trip is treating them like crap? I wish someone would treat me, that crappily!

Papajohn

DASHY wrote:

How can you continue to insist that the politically motivated MAGA stunt of transporting immigrants is brilliant, but the humanitarian Democratic plan of transporting immigrants is "corrupt"? Filing lawsuits is a favorite pastime for Greg Abbott. He brags that he sued the Obama Administration 25 times costing his state $2.5 million.

How can you think that putting this burden on the border states is ok but sending these illegal aliens to the blue cities listed as sanctuary cities is anything but right?

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Tiptop789 wrote:

No, I'm not that funny. It was a true story though.

I don’t know, tippy! Aren’t you the feller that I caught lying about where you lived THREE times? 😂😂😂

So……does that make you a good storyteller or a bad storyteller? LOL!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

TexaCan wrote:

I don’t know, tippy! Aren’t you the feller that I caught lying about where you lived THREE times? 😂😂😂

So……does that make you a good storyteller or a bad storyteller? LOL!

Tippytop lied three times about where he lives? Is he afraid we might figure out who he used to be here on OPP?

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Papajohn wrote:

How can you think that putting this burden on the border states is ok but sending these illegal aliens to the blue cities listed as sanctuary cities is anything but right?

Because that's what his puppet masters told him, therefore that's what he believes.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

JR-57 wrote:

Last time I checked, Martha’s Vineyard was located in Massachusetts, a Sanctuary State.

Are we splitting frog hairs now?

“Martha’s Vineyard has styled itself as a “sanctuary destination” that welcomes migrants — a position it took early in former President Donald Trump’s administration.”

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/florida-flies-migrants-to-sanctuary-destination-of-marthas-vineyard

I choose PBS specifically for you as a “trusted news source”.

I'm not arguing about the term sanctuary destination, just that it's not a "sanctuary city". No cities on MV. Also, DeSantis could have sent them to Boston just as easily. It was a stupid stunt.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

nwtk2007 wrote:

Tippytop lied three times about where he lives? Is he afraid we might figure out who he used to be here on OPP?

Why do you care about my residence? I've said I've live in TX and I've lived in FL. Both statements are true. If you care to disbelieve, that's your problem. My current residence isn't important to any discussion as far as I can see. Stating one's residence isn't a clue to the screen names a person uses. I've never posted under a different name.