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Sep 8, 2022 13:19:03   #
American Vet
 
336Robin wrote:
You can't have a different point of view that matters to other people if you base everything on lies.


Tell that to biden and his bunnies......

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Sep 8, 2022 13:19:44   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
American Vet wrote:
Guess I will have to explain it to you; sarcasm requires some critical thinking.

Leftoids have very little but name calling - they tend to wear them out after a bit and have to have new one.

So what will I be next week?

Understand?


You can be whatever you want to be. Understand?

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Sep 8, 2022 13:22:50   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
336Robin wrote:
You can't have a different point of view that matters to other people if you base everything on lies.


Lies?? What lies??... According to your way of thinking, you guys are just as fascist as you accuse us to be.. You have been denying elections for yrs!

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Sep 8, 2022 13:29:00   #
American Vet
 
336Robin wrote:
You can be whatever you want to be. Understand?


LOL

So you still don't get it - or you do but you can't refute it so you play dumb.

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Sep 8, 2022 14:10:24   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
proud republican wrote:
Lies?? What lies??... According to your way of thinking, you guys are just as fascist as you accuse us to be.. You have been denying elections for yrs!


You can construct your arguments on generalities and on whataboutisms if you like but you're not fooling me.

The Maga Republicans are doing nearly everything in the fascist workbook as covered in the article.

It is only left for you to realize it.

There is a growing concern among establishment Republicans of what Maga has become and even today fervent Republicans on another site I go to announced they will not support the Magas.

With eroding support in your own party, the loss of the majority womens, vote and the middle, Magas are quickly standing alone and are to be judged on what they've become.

You aren't representatives of Christianity. You aren't representatives of Democracy. You aren't representatives of the republic. You are representatives of Religious Zealotry not unlike the fundamentalist ISIS.

You really should be looking inward to find your true selves.

Your leaders Pac has broken enough laws to warrant another DOJ investigation.

The Church won't take up for you, the establishment won't take up for you, women won't take up from you.

This is you. Now do you blame them?



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Sep 8, 2022 14:20:34   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
336Robin wrote:
You can construct your arguments on generalities and on whataboutisms if you like but you're not fooling me.

The Maga Republicans are doing nearly everything in the fascist workbook as covered in the article.

It is only left for you to realize it.

There is a growing concern among establishment Republicans of what Maga has become and even today fervent Republicans on another site I go to announced they will not support the Magas.

With eroding support in your own party, the loss of the majority womens, vote and the middle, Magas are quickly standing alone and are to be judged on what they've become.

You aren't representatives of Christianity. You aren't representatives of Democracy. You aren't representatives of the republic. You are representatives of Religious Zealotry not unlike the fundamentalist ISIS.

You really should be looking inward to find your true selves.

Your leaders Pac has broken enough laws to warrant another DOJ investigation.

The Church won't take up for you, the establishment won't take up for you, women won't take up from you.

This is you. Now do you blame them?
You can construct your arguments on generalities a... (show quote)


I don't give a 💩 what you think about me... I know what I am...And fascist is NOT what I am.. Anyway your thoughts are irreverent to me, because you are a hater...I'm not talking about Trump, I'm talking about you hate people who disagree with you, which makes YOU a fascist!

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Sep 8, 2022 15:14:43   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
336Robin wrote:
You can construct your arguments on generalities and on whataboutisms if you like but you're not fooling me.

The Maga Republicans are doing nearly everything in the fascist workbook as covered in the article.

It is only left for you to realize it.

There is a growing concern among establishment Republicans of what Maga has become and even today fervent Republicans on another site I go to announced they will not support the Magas.

With eroding support in your own party, the loss of the majority womens, vote and the middle, Magas are quickly standing alone and are to be judged on what they've become.

You aren't representatives of Christianity. You aren't representatives of Democracy. You aren't representatives of the republic. You are representatives of Religious Zealotry not unlike the fundamentalist ISIS.

You really should be looking inward to find your true selves.

Your leaders Pac has broken enough laws to warrant another DOJ investigation.

The Church won't take up for you, the establishment won't take up for you, women won't take up from you.

This is you. Now do you blame them?
You can construct your arguments on generalities a... (show quote)

Only 1/3 of the people in your "photo evidence" show any potential proof of being a Trump supporter.

Give it up chump!

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Sep 8, 2022 16:20:48   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
proud republican wrote:
I don't give a 💩 what you think about me... I know what I am...And fascist is NOT what I am.. Anyway your thoughts are irreverent to me, because you are a hater...I'm not talking about Trump, I'm talking about you hate people who disagree with you, which makes YOU a fascist!


I don't hate you although you're greatly uninformed to the point that you're willfully ignorant of what is.

You turn your head at the facts in front of you even when its plain as day you're in violation of the example
set for you by the central figure of your religion.

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Sep 8, 2022 17:43:31   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Great article.
But that clinking noise you keep hearing is this article ricocheting off the rights pointy little Teflon hats.


You’ve always been my very favorite wingman! 😉

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Sep 8, 2022 17:51:15   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
336Robin wrote:
YADA YADA YADA

Democrats throughout the country show they truly hate the United States
The Democrat Party is America’s Most Powerful Hate Group
Democrats Really Are the Worst People on the Planet

Biden and Democrats Go Full Fascist – 2021 is ‘The Era of the Fake Crisis’
JOE BIDEN’S FASCIST FOLLIES CONTINUE
Joe Biden Is a Fascist by His Own Definition

Too Bad for Slow Joe: The Fallout Continues for Biden Following His Recent “Semi-Fascist” Remark
During a sorry attempt at a recent speech in which Biden made little sense and even fewer good points, our senile commander in chief decided to label those MAGA Republicans that voted for Donald Trump a gang of “semi-fascists”.

What does “semi-fascist” mean? Who knows. His press secretary certainly had no idea what he meant and had no good answer when asked about the comment by CNN’s Don Lemon.

But Biden’s sticking to the comment, of course. Some PR person must have told him it was a winner of a remark. But even he, the one who made the remark, might not be able to explain it, as was shown during a recent comment to a reporter, who asked him “What do you mean by semi-fascism, sir?”

Biden, like his dimwitted press secretary, had no good answer and just said “You know what I mean” in response to the reporter, leaving all of us scratching our heads and wondering if he even knows was he meant by “semi-fascism.”

Well, as he scratches his head and tries to figure out what his speech meant, much of the GOP is furious about what they see as Biden’s rendition of Hillary’s infamous “basket of deplorables” comment.



Does The Definition Of ‘Fascism’ Apply To The Biden Administration?
By: Ben Carson

Here is a challenge: Define fascism without reference to a historical event or proper noun.

It’s harder than it seems. Most people associate fascism with European dictatorships of the 1920s and ’30s. That is with good reason: those were the first fascist regimes.

The term itself originated in Italy to describe the political philosophy of Benito Mussolini, who borrowed from the Italian word fascio, literally meaning “bundle” (usually of rods or sticks). Mussolini used the term to mean a group of people who are stronger together than individually, such as how a bundle of sticks bound together is much more difficult to snap than any individual stick.

While most fascist regimes had racial or nationalist elements, it was not racism or nationalism that defined them; there have been plenty of racist or nationalist governing structures that do not merit the label “fascism.” Rather, the necessary ingredient for fascism is the state’s total domination of all aspects of life, including economic life.

Mussolini defined “fascism” as “Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State.” Consistent with this, the American Heritage Dictionary includes in its definition of fascism “a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls.” By hook or by crook, and many times using violence, a fascist government will brook no dissent and will enlist all of the country’s institutions to further its ends.

During the Trump administration, the left took every opportunity to falsely claim that fascism was descending upon the land. But anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear knew those claims were outlandish.

There was plenty “outside the State” and “against the State” during the Trump administration (he is still banned on all major social media platforms, for example) and plenty of dissent. There were plenty of institutions that explicitly declared themselves in opposition to the aims of the government.
Nothing Outside of or Against the Regime

Fully cognizant of George Orwell’s quip that “Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies ‘something not desirable,’” I am becoming concerned that what many claimed to be happening under the Trump administration is becoming reality under the Biden administration.

I do not make that statement lightly. But events over the past several weeks suggest that the Biden administration, in concert with powerful American institutions, is working to ensure that there is nothing outside of or against the official government line.

Last month White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki admitted the administration works closely with Facebook and other social media companies to identify posts it deems objectionable. While Psaki claimed the White House does not “take anything down” or “block anything,” there would be no reason for the White House to point out these statements if not in the hope of social media platforms taking action against posts contrary to the government’s preferred narrative.

Also, more news continues to come out about how the Biden administration is coordinating with private businesses to further its agenda. According to Politico, the White House is “back channeling” with various media organizations about COVID coverage, particularly arguing that the media’s focus on breakthrough infections of people who have already been vaccinated undermines the administration’s efforts to get more people vaccinated. Relatedly, the New York Times has reported the administration “continues to pressure private companies to introduce coronavirus vaccine mandates to help the U.S. raise its inoculation rates.”
Using Private Businesses to Implement Policy

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the wisdom of the administration’s policies, it should be concerning to all to have the White House directly involved in the operations of private companies. This is especially true when the White House’s focus is on heavily regulated companies, such as broadcast networks. Those are the companies least likely to be able to resist government requests, which always carry the implicit terms of, “Nice business you got there; it would be a shame if anything happened to it.”

It is all the more troubling that the White House is leaning on private companies to do that which the federal government cannot do itself, namely censoring individuals from expressing opinions contrary to the government’s preferred message, and mandating that everyone in America take a certain medicine. This should concern everyone because once you have endorsed the idea that the federal government can and should use private businesses as a tool to implement policy it cannot establish through legal means, there is no limiting principle. Should the government “pressure private companies” to not hire women who have had abortions? Not hire anyone who supported Trump?

It is not enough to claim the administration is doing this only in response to the COVID emergency. Washington is full of programs that were instituted in response to an “emergency” that has well since passed. This fusion of government goals and private action will just find a new problem to solve. Today it is COVID. Tomorrow it will be climate change or systemic racism.

You do not need to take my word for it: in just the past few days the administration announced “goals” for the adoption of electric vehicles in the United States (why it is the federal government’s business to set “goals” for consumer behavior was left unsaid). Standing there right behind the administration were the largest automakers in the country, cheering on the policy so long as there were sufficient government-funded “investments” and “consumer incentives” (read: subsidies). This hand-in-glove cooperation between big government and big business is exactly the kind of “corporatism” that was an essential feature of fascist states of the past.

Erasing the line between government and private enterprise. Ensuring only government-approved messages are heard. Squashing dissent. Intruding government into every aspect of our lives. The Biden administration’s actions are nothing less than creeping fascism.

I pray that the administration, and the American people, recognize this and change course before it is too late.
Ben Carson

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Sep 8, 2022 20:11:24   #
BIRDMAN
 
336Robin wrote:
You can construct your arguments on generalities and on whataboutisms if you like but you're not fooling me.

The Maga Republicans are doing nearly everything in the fascist workbook as covered in the article.

It is only left for you to realize it.

There is a growing concern among establishment Republicans of what Maga has become and even today fervent Republicans on another site I go to announced they will not support the Magas.

With eroding support in your own party, the loss of the majority womens, vote and the middle, Magas are quickly standing alone and are to be judged on what they've become.

You aren't representatives of Christianity. You aren't representatives of Democracy. You aren't representatives of the republic. You are representatives of Religious Zealotry not unlike the fundamentalist ISIS.

You really should be looking inward to find your true selves.

Your leaders Pac has broken enough laws to warrant another DOJ investigation.

The Church won't take up for you, the establishment won't take up for you, women won't take up from you.

This is you. Now do you blame them?
You can construct your arguments on generalities a... (show quote)



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Sep 9, 2022 07:58:13   #
elledee
 
336Robin wrote:
Fascism is something the world is well acquainted with and its here in the Maga Republicans.


The Holland Sentinel

My Take: The causes of fascism

Don Bergman
September 1, 2022·4 min read

In this article:

Historians have not only identified common tenets of fascism, but also its causes. Both are exhibited by the current Republican Party.

Inequality: Fascists disagree with Jefferson’s statement that all “are created equal,” promoting a “we” versus “they” mindset.

Extreme nationalism: My country right or wrong. Can’t discuss the wrongs in schools. It’s called White Christian Nationalism. Their definition of what it means to be an American excludes Democrats and other religions, ethnic groups, and skin colors.

Real or feigned national humiliation: A lost war caused it. Trump’s claims of “American carnage” and “America never wins anymore” are based on perceived humiliation.

Economic distress: Wealth inequity, high unemployment and high inflation cause economic distress. Fascists claim democracy has failed, “I alone can fix it.”

Chaos/social unrest: Though fascists claim to support law and order, they use chaos, that they often cause, to undermine trust in democratic institutions. Note the current attack on the FBI. Trump creates chaos/violence even encouraging it.

Deadlocked democratic governments: Today’s GOP is the party of no to popular proposals addressing America’s needs. They blame Biden for inflation yet obstruct Democratic attempts to combat it.

Fear and scapegoating: Fascists create fear of communists, socialists (the two are NOT the same), and vulnerable minority groups, blaming them for difficulties.

Tactics used: Fascists use propaganda, promoting “The Big Lie.” They use control of elections to win and then to never lose. Now claiming elections are fraudulent they are undermining faith and trust in democratic institutions. They encourage and use paramilitary groups who are willing to use intimidation and violence.

America fascists have never embraced “liberty and justice for all,” but do embrace being “one nation under God,” citing the Bible, with many claiming to be doing God’s will.

Using the Bible’s acceptance of slavery, they enshrined it in our Constitution and used scripture to justify our genocide of “heathen” Native Americans.

It took our bloodiest war and constitutional amendments to end slavery. American fascists still oppose these amendments which call for equal rights.

After the Civil War, racists North and South used laws which when implemented discriminated against Blacks. Wealthy White Southern Fascists, supported by poor whites, and with the Supreme Court’s approval established segregation of the races, completely denying Blacks the franchise and preventing their economic advancement. Numerous White riots, such as the one in Tulsa, destroyed Black lives and wealth. Terror was used without fear of state punishment well into the 1960s and is returning today. Today we witness White Fascists’ opposition to the Black Lives Matter movement and their killing of Blacks with the stated purpose of igniting a race war.

During the Great Depression of the 1930s unregulated capitalism failed us. Spurred on by economic despair, the emergence of Fascists in Europe and the threat of communism, American Fascists became emboldened. Organizations such as the Christian Front, KKK, and the American Bund, held Fascist rallies attended by thousands. Only after FDR’s use of socialistic laws giving people hope and after Americans witnessing Hitler’s gas chambers, the logical end of Fascist ideology, did American Fascism become less appealing and go somewhat underground.

After Democrats, with some Republican help and liberal Supreme Court rulings, passed the civil and voting rights laws in the 1960s, Blacks switched to the Democrats and the racist South joined the GOP. The GOP then began its decades-long Fascist-like attacks on minorities, culminating in recent times with the conservative Supreme Court’s gutting the civil and voting rights laws under the guise of “states' rights.”

The presidency of Obama and four years later with Georgia’s turning blue were traumatic events for American Fascists. When Black-over-white turned their view of the world upside down, they turned to and elected Trump who encouraged and emboldened them as “good people.”

The only force that stopped the Fascist-like discrimination against minorities was the federal government. Fascists are now attempting to gain control of that government, using all the tactics listed above. This will guarantee future wins for generations for those who oppose equality just as they have done for generations since the Civil War in the states they control. Unless Americans vote in Democratic majorities, equal rights for minorities will stall for generations. Then violence, weakening America such as we saw in the 1960s, may be the only path to restore equal rights.

Nearly 74 million Americans voted to reelect a Fascist in 2020, and that’s scary. The GOP is now a fascist party built around its cult leader, Donald Trump. Trump failed in 2020 because of incompetence and a few Republicans loyal to the Constitution, who are now being removed from positions of power. The next fascist GOP president will not repeat Trump’s mistakes.

— Don Bergman is a resident of Park Township.

This article originally appeared on The Holland Sentinel: My Take: The causes of fascism
Fascism is something the world is well acquainted ... (show quote)


Said Mr. backwards...At least your not a fascist.... your a full of sh-tist and your posts are truly craptacular

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Sep 9, 2022 08:01:29   #
maureenthannon
 
This seems to forget, or at least ignore, that it was President Abe Lincoln, a REPUBLICAN President, that signed the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, abolishing slavery, the DEMOCRATS were the party of slavery. Every REPUBLICAN in Congress VOTED FOR the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT of 1964, EVERY DEMOCRAT VOTED AGAINST IT. There were more Republicans in Congress than Democrats, so it passed in Congress. The Democrats assumed that their President, Johnson would veto it. But Johnson didn't veto it because it was supposed by the vast majority of Americans, and he realized that if he vetoed it, it would end his Political career. JFK, who was likely the BEST DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT EVER, WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTED BY TODAYS Democrats. When he took office, the economy was a mess. He fixed it by cutting taxes. He took us into the Vietnam war Today's AMERICAN HATING DEMOCRATIC PARTY would NOT vote for Kennedy. His only redeeming value for them were his numerous affairs. But, that might not be enough for them. JFK's affairs were committed with women who willing cheated with him. Senator Bill Clinton had been accused by Juanita Broderick of raping her. She didn't wait decades to tell people about it. "Believe every woman" is only for women who accuse a Republican.

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Sep 9, 2022 09:56:21   #
Don30niko
 
There is no hate or disdain. The man just used multiple clear parallel examples from history to make his argument. It seems more like his love for his country and fellow man, that he used well documented analysis accepted by experts who studied those time to learn and study history so we don't make the same mistakes.

And yes Democrats have denied the 2000 and 2016 election results not only because of having strong initial opinions but proof of their claims by multiple non partisan recounts and government sources that not only validate their thoughts but provide facts to back their claims.

For example Gore did win Florida after all the ballots were recounted by hand multiple times. However, Gore felt it was best for the country to concede. This concession caused the Supreme Court to call off the official recounts for presidency.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/10/democrats-should-remember-al-gore-won-florida-in-2000-but-lost-the-presidency-with-a-preemptive-surrender/

That's also why it's now a big deal to concede/not concede an election. To concede takes away the rights to use the tools available to a candidate and the people to examine the results of a close election.

It's good to have an opinion but data and analysis matter as well.

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Sep 9, 2022 13:22:33   #
R.D.Dukes Loc: Southern Arizona & central Washington
 
You need a class in history and current events . It is not the Republicans that are fascists it is you of the liberal left infact the owner of your party was a collaborative of Hitler in Hungry.

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