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Jul 5, 2014 21:33:43   #
The Dutchman
 
just chris wrote:
Hey Duchy the one thing you left out was what they contibute. Being in construction for over 40 years now I can tell you this country would shut down overnight. Most building trades are dominated by immigrant labor which I have said for years is why wages have remained stagnant in my area of work. But I think everyone on this forum can agree we are lacking when it comes to finding americans willing to do the hard work that it takes to build this country. Right now I'm at work the only ones on the job are the insulators they have been working 10 to 12 hours a day 7 days a week for the last 2 months and I can tell you right now no one out here is named Bill or Dave it's all hispanic labor. I don't know what the answer is but before we get all wound up and throw all these people out we need to figure how to replace them. Life isn't allways working 40 hours a week in front of a computer, working construction in 100+ deg. heat doesn't seem to rate high on the list of jobs kids aspire to today. I'm not defending illegal immigration at all just pointing out the elephant in the room.
Hey Duchy the one thing you left out was what they... (show quote)


So you are a major part of the problem, Supporting the hiring of illegals because you or who ever you work for won't pay a living wage for the American working man. Now before you jump through your ass getting your panties all up in a wad know that I owned my own very lucrative General Contracting business and never once did I stoop to your level!!



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Jul 5, 2014 21:49:56   #
Unclet Loc: Amarillo, Tx
 
arvadaian wrote:
Your right about the corruption in this country it's just that you are blaming the wrong people. How many welfare checks could be sent out if we removed the oil depletion allowance and made just the oil companies pay taxes? The big banks steal money from everyone every day and you don't even know it. How about having the big banks just make whole all the people who lost their houses because the banks were gambling with other peoples money.
Why do you always attack people just like you when the 1% ers. are stealing all of us blind. Let's get together and make them pay us back what they stole in just this last boondoggle they caused and quit arguing among ourselves which is jout what they want. If they can keep us at each others throuts they can continue to steal whatever they want.
Your right about the corruption in this country it... (show quote)


On this we agree, there is enough corruption to go around. Have to start somewhere, pick a spot and go for it. The blame does not lie solely with anyone demography. Mostly it lies with us, since we could have and should have stopped it long ago. Never to late to start, like I said pick an issue and start doing something about what you feel is the problem.

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Jul 5, 2014 21:55:23   #
Trooper745 Loc: Carolina
 
The Dutchman wrote:
So you are a major part of the problem, Supporting the hiring of illegals because you or who ever you work for won't pay a living wage for the American working man. Now before you jump through your ass getting your panties all up in a wad know that I owned my own very lucrative General Contracting business and never once did I stoop to your level!!


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Jul 6, 2014 09:49:47   #
arvadaian
 
I picked an issue and am working with and supporting Liz Warren in her effort to bring at least some of the crooks in banking to justice and to pass legislation to prevent theft by the bankers in the future. This legislation will look a lot like the law that successfully protected the people from the bankers after the last depression until it was repealed a few years ago, along with a few improvements and updates. We should all work together to get this passed and break up the too big to fail banks.
Unclet wrote:
On this we agree, there is enough corruption to go around. Have to start somewhere, pick a spot and go for it. The blame does not lie solely with anyone demography. Mostly it lies with us, since we could have and should have stopped it long ago. Never to late to start, like I said pick an issue and start doing something about what you feel is the problem.

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Jul 6, 2014 10:35:40   #
just chris
 
The Dutchman wrote:
So you are a major part of the problem, Supporting the hiring of illegals because you or who ever you work for won't pay a living wage for the American working man. Now before you jump through your ass getting your panties all up in a wad know that I owned my own very lucrative General Contracting business and never once did I stoop to your level!!


Sorry about getting back to you so late had to work. I guess you only read into my post what you wanted to and not what I said. First everybody on the jobs I work are LEGAL to work and have all the paperwork, gone thru background checks. Insulators, scaffold and civil average around $15 an hour which most would say is a living wage but if you take into account it's a temporary no benifits job that requires travel it's not that great. Up north were unions still have a little stroke left their benifit package would be twice that. I don't do residential constuction, but know people who are contractors in that field. I'm glad to hear you're doing well in your corner of the world. But in the big city things are little different, at a 175 million this is not really a large project but has been hard to man with quaified people as is the case with all projects around this area. I'm all for locking down the border and controling illegal immigration. Moving our military to the border seems like a no brainer but no congressman is going to give up a base in his district and the money it brings in. Most illegals came on a visa and never left so were is the accountability?

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Jul 6, 2014 10:35:46   #
just chris
 
I allmost forgot if stooping to my level is having an honest and intelligent discussion about immigration your right you never make it to that level. Peace out

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Jul 6, 2014 11:00:42   #
The Dutchman
 
just chris wrote:
Most illegals came on a visa and never left so were is the accountability?


What a line of crap!

Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegal Aliens To U.S. Homes

The vast majority of 50,000 unaccompanied youths and children who have illegally crossed the Texas border during the last few months have been successfully delivered by federal agencies to their relatives living in the United States, according to a New York Times article.

A second New York Times article reports revealed that officials have caught an additional 240,000 Central American migrants since April, and are transporting many of them to their destinations throughout the United States.

The deluge of 290,000 illegals — so far — are exploiting legal loopholes that allow them to get temporary permits to stay in the United States.

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Jul 6, 2014 12:14:51   #
bahmer
 
The Dutchman wrote:
What a line of crap!

Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegal Aliens To U.S. Homes

The vast majority of 50,000 unaccompanied youths and children who have illegally crossed the Texas border during the last few months have been successfully delivered by federal agencies to their relatives living in the United States, according to a New York Times article.

A second New York Times article reports revealed that officials have caught an additional 240,000 Central American migrants since April, and are transporting many of them to their destinations throughout the United States.

The deluge of 290,000 illegals — so far — are exploiting legal loopholes that allow them to get temporary permits to stay in the United States.
What a line of crap! br br Obama Delivering 290,0... (show quote)


Can anyone say Cloward–Piven strategy from guess where America Columbia University. Ian't that one of the Universities that Obama attended or that he said he attended. We never know for sure anymore as all those records are sealed.

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Jul 6, 2014 12:18:19   #
just chris
 
The Dutchman wrote:
What a line of crap!

Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegal Aliens To U.S. Homes

The vast majority of 50,000 unaccompanied youths and children who have illegally crossed the Texas border during the last few months have been successfully delivered by federal agencies to their relatives living in the United States, according to a New York Times article.

A second New York Times article reports revealed that officials have caught an additional 240,000 Central American migrants since April, and are transporting many of them to their destinations throughout the United States.

The deluge of 290,000 illegals — so far — are exploiting legal loopholes that allow them to get temporary permits to stay in the United States.
What a line of crap! br br Obama Delivering 290,0... (show quote)


Perhaps you could provide me with a link about the 240,000 since april all I could find was DACA visas that were approved but that was for immigrants that were brought here before the age of 16 as of last year.

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Jul 6, 2014 12:18:35   #
arvadaian
 
These people are qualified as refugees and the law says we have to treat them in a particular way. As much as I know it will hurt you to learn Obama didn't write this law and you can be damned sure the law wasn't passed since he came into office because no laws are passed by this congress. Unfortunately I understand that Obama is asking congress to amend the law to make it easier to send these people back.
Can you imagine the fuss everyone in this country would make if Jordan changed their laws to make it possible to send all those people back to Syria and Iraqi. quote=The Dutchman]What a line of crap!

Obama Delivering 290,000 Illegal Aliens To U.S. Homes

The vast majority of 50,000 unaccompanied youths and children who have illegally crossed the Texas border during the last few months have been successfully delivered by federal agencies to their relatives living in the United States, according to a New York Times article.

A second New York Times article reports revealed that officials have caught an additional 240,000 Central American migrants since April, and are transporting many of them to their destinations throughout the United States.

The deluge of 290,000 illegals — so far — are exploiting legal loopholes that allow them to get temporary permits to stay in the United States.[/quote]

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Jul 6, 2014 12:25:39   #
The Dutchman
 
arvadaian wrote:
These people are qualified as refugees


Refugees my ass, They are illegals invading our country and it's an act of war and should be met with force.

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Jul 6, 2014 13:07:43   #
arvadaian
 
The Dutchman wrote:
Refugees my ass, They are illegals invading our country and it's an act of war and should be met with force.


They are mostly refugees from Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala where killing and rape has become so prevalent that people are sending their children a thousand miles or more to a place they think they will be safe. I guess they didn't recon on people with no heart like you.

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Jul 6, 2014 13:15:01   #
bahmer
 
The Dutchman wrote:
Refugees my ass, They are illegals invading our country and it's an act of war and should be met with force.


These liberals will buy anything Obama tells them to and also the liberal press will support Obama all the way also.

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Jul 6, 2014 13:30:21   #
The Dutchman
 
The Dutchman wrote:
Refugees my ass, They are illegals invading our country and it's an act of war and should be met with force.

arvadaian wrote:
They are mostly refugees from Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala where killing and rape has become so prevalent that people are sending their children a thousand miles or more to a place they think they will be safe. I guess they didn't recon on people with no heart like you.


Bullshit moron! If they where true refugees they would go through proper channels like the American Embassy down there and seek asylum. They are nothing but an invading army of parasites and should be dealt with accordingly.
The obozo has orchestrated this hole thing to expedite his goal of bankrupting this country and buying votes.

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Jul 6, 2014 13:31:59   #
The Dutchman
 
bahmer wrote:
These liberals will buy anything Obama tells them to and also the liberal press will support Obama all the way also.


And this libtard arvadaian is one of the worst of the litter....

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