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Aug 23, 2022 14:38:27   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Geo wrote:
You evidently are too logical for her to argue with.
Some people can dish it out, but can't take it.


You have no idea what you're talking about.....So stay out ..🙄

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Aug 23, 2022 15:02:06   #
Mantle
 
robertv3 wrote:
The phrase just looked funny to me, at first glance. Ok, so when there's mutually consenting incest, and a pregnancy results from it, then, it seems to me, that's similar to any situation where irresponsible sex resulted in a pregnancy. Let's say it's an "unwanted pregnancy". Next, an abortion may or may not occur, but there's an underlying problem which is the irresponsible sex that resulted in an unwanted pregnancy.

For me, in what happens in my life, the issue of abortion is very closedly related to the issue of severe birth defects.

Irresponsible sex resulting in unwanted pregnancies has not been a problem in my life.

But apparently irresponsible sex resulting in unwanted pregnancies _is_ a problem in many people's lives. How should that be addressed? I think, probably it should be addressed by better birth control, such as (but not limited to) condoms, "the pill", and good education about sex (and if all that isn't enough, then (maybe) early arranged marriages). Then abortions would not happen as often. And when an abortion more rarely _does_ happen, it should be viewed as a more severe and traumatizing form of birth control, not as "murdering a baby", because a baby is what's already been born, and not the same thing as (a) a fetus, (b) an embryo, (c) a zygote, (d) a sperm cell, (e) an egg, (f) a womb, (g) falling in love, or (h) being infatuated with a person of the opposite sex. Every one of these things is significantly different from every other one on the list (except that (g) and (h) are similar -- I had been trying to distinguish between the different kinds of "love"), and significantly different from a baby.
The phrase just looked funny to me, at first glanc... (show quote)


Equivocate much?

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Aug 23, 2022 16:51:15   #
EmilyD
 
Geo wrote:
You evidently are too logical for her to argue with.
Some people can dish it out, but can't take it.

Proud Republican would never dish out what Airforceone does! She may get passionate about things, like we all do, but she would NEVER be as caustic, arrogant, hateful, disgusting and putrid as he is!!

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Aug 23, 2022 17:33:00   #
Big dog
 
EmilyD wrote:
Proud Republican would never dish out what Airforceone does! She may get passionate about things, like we all do, but she would NEVER be as caustic, arrogant, hateful, disgusting and putrid as he is!!


That’s because airfartdone is a little crybaby

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Aug 23, 2022 18:04:46   #
EmilyD
 
Big dog wrote:
That’s because airfartdone is a little crybaby

Honestly!!! What kind of man starts hate threads attacking another member on an anonymous forum because he doesn't like her political views? Coward comes to my mind!!

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Aug 23, 2022 18:21:36   #
robertv3
 
Big Bass wrote:
WOW!! What a liar.


I doubt that. Airforceone had written: "I am so sorry if I offended her I try to respect Proud Republican but she can except when someone like me respectfully disagrees. I have a hard time with her saying she thinks a women should carry a bony full term in the case of incest." I can imagine myself writing some of that, and being sincere, so it's easy for me to imagine Airforceone being similarly sincere.

I think his spell-checker may have mixed it up a little but I get the general trend of it.

And what if he is insincere or a "liar"; even then we're probably as well off to just assume he's sincere and just focus on what his posts say.

People think I'm gullible. But, while I treat people as though they were sincere, at the same time I know that they may not be. It shouldn't really matter much whether they think I'm gullible or savvy, and I don't want to play such games. As long as I'm not giving them money or risking something, there's no harm done in it. And sometimes they really ARE sincere.

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Aug 23, 2022 18:29:08   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
robertv3 wrote:
I doubt that. Airforceone had written: "I am so sorry if I offended her I try to respect Proud Republican but she can except when someone like me respectfully disagrees. I have a hard time with her saying she thinks a women should carry a bony full term in the case of incest." I can imagine myself writing some of that, and being sincere, so it's easy for me to imagine Airforceone being similarly sincere.

I think his spell-checker may have mixed it up a little but I get the general trend of it.

And what if he is insincere or a "liar"; even then we're probably as well off to just assume he's sincere and just focus on what his posts say.

People think I'm gullible. But, while I treat people as though they were sincere, at the same time I know that they may not be. It shouldn't really matter much whether they think I'm gullible or savvy, and I don't want to play such games. As long as I'm not giving them money or risking something, there's no harm done in it. And sometimes they really ARE sincere.
I doubt that. Airforceone had written: "I a... (show quote)


Actually you're wrong... I AM pro life, except in case of RAPE, INCEST... AF1 is a liar... And a horrible human being..

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Aug 23, 2022 18:38:56   #
robertv3
 
Airforceone wrote:
Trump is done he can’t win a national election. His popularity with republicans had dropped to 64% and nationally had dropped to 37% the man is cooked.

The insurrection and stealing top secret documents has lowered his popularity he can’t win so wake up to that fact.


I hope you're right. But I don't have that much faith in the voters. There are many millions of people who vote in unwise ways, to put it mildly.

So, rather than just thinking Trump is over with, I'd rather see him definitively prevented from being active in any of these things.

In addition to suspecting that many millions of voters are going to vote unwisely (yet again), I also suspect a lot of officials. When elections are stolen, it's usually some officials (like some secretaries of state, in the individual states) who do the stealing. I think it's _always_ some officials who do the stealing, and almost none of the voters who do the stealing.

So, with all that, don't be so sure Trump won't be back in power, even as President again. I hope he gets convicted six ways from Sunday and disqualified from even running for office, then maybe I will be able to finally exhale (instead of holding my breath waiting to see what happens next).

I almost forgot: in addition to voters and officials, there are also a lot of armed people (some of whom are probably stupid) who like to make death threats or do worse than that. So there are lots of variables in play.

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Aug 23, 2022 19:43:05   #
robertv3
 
proud republican wrote:
Actually you're wrong... I AM pro life, except in case of RAPE, INCEST... AF1 is a liar... And a horrible human being..


I could be wrong. Maybe you know something about AF1 that I don't. As for me, I am not ready to call him (or her) bad things. From what I've seen and recall, I like AF1 and probably agree with him/her on several things. All I know is what I see. I understand you disagree very much, regarding AF1.

I'm pretty sure I disagree with you about abortion. But your sentence "I AM pro life, except in case of RAPE, INCEST..." looks fairly sensible to me.

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Aug 23, 2022 19:53:17   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
robertv3 wrote:
I could be wrong. Maybe you know something about AF1 that I don't. As for me, I am not ready to call him (or her) bad things. From what I've seen and recall, I like AF1 and probably agree with him/her on several things. All I know is what I see. I understand you disagree very much, regarding AF1.

I'm pretty sure I disagree with you about abortion. But your sentence "I AM pro life, except in case of RAPE, INCEST..." looks fairly sensible to me.


You're fairly new to OPP, so you don't know AF1 like most of us do.. I've been here since 2017 and he's been nothing but really nasty to me...just because I support Trump's policies... I don't support his personality, but I felt safer and had more money in my account under President Trump... Airforceone called me and people who support Trump racists, murderes, and personally for me he called my son that he was born because of incest... I can take him insulting me, but when it comes to my family all gloves are off... I don't care if you like him, I'm just telling you be careful.. He's not what you think he is..

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Aug 23, 2022 21:58:49   #
EmilyD
 
proud republican wrote:
You're fairly new to OPP, so you don't know AF1 like most of us do.. I've been here since 2017 and he's been nothing but really nasty to me...just because I support Trump's policies... I don't support his personality, but I felt safer and had more money in my account under President Trump... Airforceone called me and people who support Trump racists, murderes, and personally for me he called my son that he was born because of incest... I can take him insulting me, but when it comes to my family all gloves are off... I don't care if you like him, I'm just telling you be careful.. He's not what you think he is..
You're fairly new to OPP, so you don't know AF1 li... (show quote)

You are being kind, PR! Airforceone's comments about Trump and his supporters are hateful and terribly biased, BUT he has called you (and only you!) way more than just a racist and murderer!! Among a lot of other things, he has called you a coward, a hate-filled racist, a conspiracy theorist, deranged, nasty and.....this one is amazing....A far-right lover of the Trump/Hitler/Putin theory of government!!

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Aug 23, 2022 22:02:26   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
EmilyD wrote:
You are being kind, PR! Airforceone's comments about Trump and his supporters are hateful and terribly biased, BUT he has called you (and only you!) way more than just a racist and murderer!! Among a lot of other things, he has called you a coward, a hate-filled racist, a conspiracy theorist, deranged, nasty and.....this one is amazing....A far-right lover of the Trump/Hitler/Putin theory of government!!


Yes, Emily.....He was even nastier on PM.

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Aug 24, 2022 07:05:45   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
EmilyD wrote:
Honestly!!! What kind of man starts hate threads attacking another member on an anonymous forum because he doesn't like her political views? Coward comes to my mind!!


Spot On

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Aug 24, 2022 17:07:18   #
robertv3
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
keepup, As a former teacher of seriously disturbed kids, I once had a student that was the product, and victim of incestual rape. She was blind, in a wheel chair, albino, and had many other problems. Even young girls have to carry their rapists fetus.
A young girl that was the victim of rape has been refused of her right to have an abortion because she is too young to make that decision. Imagine that! too young to make that decision, but old enough to raise a child. How does that make any sense?
My faith makes the life of the mother more important than that of a fetus.
keepup, As a former teacher of seriously disturbed... (show quote)


You say, "My faith makes the life of the mother more important than that of a fetus." I like that thought. I hope you expand on it further. Why would the life of the mother be more important than the life of a fetus? (I agree that it is, but I would like to know your reasoning about it.) What other kinds of lives might we compare in such ways, and how might we evaluate them?

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Aug 24, 2022 17:14:12   #
robertv3
 
EmilyD wrote:
Thanks! And even those who don't believe that it's a baby, isn't it better to err on the side of caution that whatever they call it in the womb will eventually grow into a baby inside that womb? Because if that possibility exists (and it does - in about 99% of pregnancies), then it IS murder!


I don't think that's a very good argument. The "possibility" does "exist" that any sperm cell or egg (of humans) anywhere in the world will eventually grow into a born human being. Is denying that sperm cell or egg the chance to develop, into a born human being, "murder"? I say no.

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