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Aug 8, 2022 18:28:19   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
If you pay your taxes you have a hell of a lot less to worry about than if you don't...why create the worry about law abiding people being persecuted, and worry about the ones that are not law abiding being held accountable, but then why worry about that?

Why is the right always creating the bogeyman fears against good people when we need to go after bad people that are cheating good hard working Americans out of the share they are stealing?


The bad people cheating the good hard-working Americans are the worthless, Marxist leftist progressive socialist big-government statist elitist Democrats who are content to sit at home and collect COVID unemployment and stimulus checks, welfare, and student loans, such that they didn't earn but want the rest of us to pay for it, or want to make the rest of us pay for it because of some kind of guilt they have.

Democracy can't work when more people can vote for themselves benefits and entitlements than there are people to pay for it all. Politicians love to promise things we can't afford and by the time a reckoning comes they are long gone and can't be held accountable.

The bogeyman is because the deep state is out of control.

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Aug 8, 2022 20:05:19   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
Is there a reason you are repeating this Warner Huston stupidity?

The IRS does not intend to "go after middle class income earners", they need to go after middle class tax cheaters, among other groups of tax cheaters, middle and upper middle class business owners being a rather entitled group that seems to believe they can get away without paying the taxes they owe, so they don't claim what they know they owe.

And why is it people seem to get so fired up about the IRS enforcing taxes? What we have here is a group of law abiding people who properly claim the taxes they owe, and a group of lawless entitled scum that believes they shouldn't have to pay taxes.
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Aug 8, 2022 21:01:59   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Report: Schumer-Manchin Spending Bill Supercharges IRS to Go After Middle-Class Income Earners

By Warner Todd Huston
August 7, 2022 at 1:34pm
The new spending bill being debated in the Senate would unleash the IRS to become a major threat to millions of lower and middle-class Americans just as they are already being crushed by inflation, high gas prices, soaring local taxes and stagnating wages.

In fact, this budget deal would make the IRS bigger than the Pentagon, or the FBI, or U.S. Border Patrol, the Washington Free Beacon noted.

Tucked down into the budget being ushered through the Senate by Democratic Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is a provision to hire up to 87,000 new IRS auditors whose job will be to target the middle classes for a massive campaign of audits to take more of their money.

The bill provides for an additional $80 billion in funding for the IRS, which would more than double the size of the agency. And it would also task the IRS with targeting the middle classes to raise an additional $200 billion in funding the Democrats want to use to fund government spending.

This would increase the agency’s budget by more than 600 percent.

The funding would make the IRS the biggest government agency of them all. According to the Beacon, “The Pentagon houses roughly 27,000 employees, according to the Defense Department, while a human resources fact sheet says the State Department employs just over 77,243 staff. The FBI employs approximately 35,000 people, according to the agency’s website, and Customs and Border Protection says it employs 19,536 Border Patrol agents.”

According to the Wall Street Journal, “The bill earmarks $45.6 billion for ‘enforcement,’ including ‘litigation,’ ‘criminal investigations,’ ‘investigative technology,’ ‘digital asset monitoring’ and a new fleet of tax-collector cars. The result will be far more audits, civil suits and criminal referrals.”

As the Wall Street Journal pointed out, “The main targets will by necessity be the middle- and upper-middle class because that’s where the money is.”

That is correct. The Democrats need to target the middle class because that is where the most money actually is — not “the rich.” And that is where the left needs to go to grab as much money for all their new spending as they can get.

The majority of these new revenues will come from Americans making less than $200,00 a year, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. So, clearly, the new IRS agents will be tasked with fanning out and scrutinizing the middle class.

So, far from going after “the rich” or “tax cheats,” Senate Republicans also note that Schumer and Biden’s IRS would be coming after us.

“According to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), the brunt of any new revenue from hiring an army of IRS auditors will overwhelming hit low- and middle-income earners, people already struggling with high gas prices and 9.1 percent inflation,” a Monday news release noted. “CBO scores the $80 billion for mandatory IRS funding as spending only, and gives phantom credit for potential enforcement revenue that might be generated in ‘future baselines.'”

But even as the Democrats claim that they need to target cheaters and the evil rich, according to the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC), convictions for tax fraud actually went down last year.

In June of last year, the USSC noted that “in fiscal year 2020, there were 324 tax fraud offenders sentenced under the guidelines. The number of tax fraud offenders has decreased by 45.5 percent since fiscal year 2016.”

House Republicans also reminded Americans that the IRS already has a long-long history of abusing its power as it is and that this bill will only “supercharge” an already out-of-control agency.

House Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee recently said, “Overly broad IRS targeting spanning decades has claimed many victims, and Democrats are trying to revive it.”

The Republicans recalled the IRS operative Lois Lerner incident starting in 2013 when former President Barack Obama ordered her to harass conservative and religion-based organizations, the millions the IRS has taken from small businesses, not to mention the many instances of the IRS violating Americans’ due process.

“Lois Lerner notoriously targeted conservative nonprofits for special scrutiny in 2013. ProPublica, the left-leaning website, obtained and published the confidential tax information of private citizens in 2021 — conveniently when Democrats were debating whether to impose a new wealth tax. The IRS has promised to investigate the illegal leak but has so far come up empty,” the House GOP said.

The Republicans also pointed out that the new funding isn’t helping to fix the major failures the IRS is wallowing in already.

“Despite all this new money,” the Republicans said, “Americans shouldn’t expect better IRS service. The agency in the 2022 filing season answered a mere 10 percent of its phone calls. The Taxpayer Advocate Service revealed in June that as of May 31 the IRS was still sitting on 21.3 million unprocessed paper tax returns, with millions of taxpayers ‘waiting six months or more to receive their refunds.’ Yet the Schumer-Manchin bill devotes only $3.2 billion for ‘taxpayer services.'”

All this is aimed at taking as much money away from Americans as possible at a time when we are all already suffering from President Joe Biden’s massive mismanagement of the national economy.
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$400,000 and upward .
The new middle class.

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Aug 9, 2022 07:54:02   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Fair enough.

But the tax system is unwieldy and unfair as it currently stands. No one understands it and even the IRS helpline can't give consistently accurate answers to taxpayers' questions, that's if you can even get through to them. There's a backlog of audits and many returns from 2020 that have yet to be processed.


Oh they understand it.
I am convinced , the IRS Collection Agency
Is now being run by the Gambinos , Rebozzos, etc.
They’re all legit now .
Sort of.
If trump wasn’t caught for lying about his property values he would still be doing it .
As a matter of fact if wasn’t caught and impeached this would all have continued on without oversight.
I mean a $1Billion credit trump had with the IRS was just plain bullchit.

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Aug 9, 2022 08:10:01   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
dtucker300 wrote:
The bad people cheating the good hard-working Americans are the worthless, Marxist leftist progressive socialist big-government statist elitist Democrats who are content to sit at home and collect COVID unemployment and stimulus checks, welfare, and student loans, such that they didn't earn but want the rest of us to pay for it, or want to make the rest of us pay for it because of some kind of guilt they have.

Democracy can't work when more people can vote for themselves benefits and entitlements than there are people to pay for it all. Politicians love to promise things we can't afford and by the time a reckoning comes they are long gone and can't be held accountable.

The bogeyman is because the deep state is out of control.
The bad people cheating the good hard-working Amer... (show quote)


You can’t continue blaming the Left for stealing all of the money while everyone knows who the real crooks are. They vote no for every social program calling a Marxist communist plot to overthrow the rich and powerful.
When what it really is , is a valid desire for a fair piece of the pie they’ve worked so hard to create. If you think this is wrong then there isn’t much hope for you.
The money in this country was never printed to be taken hostage by rich people who hoard it to keep up the value of their massive Ill gotten gains.
As A Vice President of General Electric once said,
“ Nowhere in the Bible does it say the wealthy should have all of the money ,
And it’s time we started taking it back !”

I twisted that a bit , but, why should they be let off the hook ?
It was actually said about GE Employees and the wages and benefits that were fought for and won .
After Reagan took office , this is what happened in every American Company.
To date.
It’s time to start taking it back.

Stop defending these thieves . Start a Union .
Get a seat at the bargaining table.
It is after all in the true spirit of being an American. Standing up for your rights .
Taking a stance against injustice.
Be American !
Buy American !

** Democracy can't work when more people can vote for themselves benefits and entitlements than there are people to pay for it all. **
This was noted by Alexis DeToqueville .
250 years ago .
Still true today.
The infiltration of government by
Koch Family Libertarians has caused many of the problems we see today .
Raise your hand if you would be happy to see Bezos Face on all of your money !!!
Or Musks’ or Gates’ or Buffett ? Or baking battleships after them. The USS Bezos ???
Having them be story of your
National Heritage.
Stop wimping out out and start calling them out .
It’s called being an American.
Not a sheep or a commodity.

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Aug 9, 2022 08:45:20   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Fair enough.

But the tax system is unwieldy and unfair as it currently stands. No one understands it and even the IRS helpline can't give consistently accurate answers to taxpayers' questions, that's if you can even get through to them. There's a backlog of audits and many returns from 2020 that have yet to be processed.


You're right, it's very complicated. For me, it's standard deduction and I'm done. I can see if you own a business or rental properties (Heaven forbid) that it becomes very difficult and confusing.

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Aug 9, 2022 08:48:06   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
CarryOn wrote:
Gee, I wonder if any of these 87,000 new agents will be assigned to fix this:

https://cis.org/Child-Tax-Credits-Illegal-Immigrants

Some reports show that this is costing us over $10 billion per year. Now wouldn't that be a great savings for taxpayers. Slojoe could go out and brag about that when it happens ... but don't hold your breath. They're not going after the illegals. They're going after American citizens.

And the standard reply, "well, if you pay your taxes you don't have anything to worry about," is not true. If they decide to come after you to investigate whether or not you paid your taxes, or look for some error so they can justify auditing you, you still would have to pay for attorneys' fees and most likely fees for an accountant/cpa to assist you. And neither of those are cheap ... or deductible.
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Not really, I was audited, they said I owed an additional amount, I'm like ok, I paid it, end of story. The amount was about $2500, want worth lawyers, all the aggravation, and worry.

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Aug 9, 2022 08:49:34   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Oh they understand it.
I am convinced , the IRS Collection Agency
Is now being run by the Gambinos , Rebozzos, etc.
They’re all legit now .
Sort of.
If trump wasn’t caught for lying about his property values he would still be doing it .
As a matter of fact if wasn’t caught and impeached this would all have continued on without oversight.
I mean a $1Billion credit trump had with the IRS was just plain bullchit.


I disagree, the collection agents are everyday people, some even Trump supporters.

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Aug 9, 2022 10:09:56   #
Justice101
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Fair enough.

But the tax system is unwieldy and unfair as it currently stands. No one understands it and even the IRS helpline can't give consistently accurate answers to taxpayers' questions, that's if you can even get through to them. There's a backlog of audits and many returns from 2020 that have yet to be processed.


True that They haven't processed our 2020 return. They need more agents to process returns. My spouse worked for the IRS as a processor for several years and note that it takes training and qualifications to become auditors. I'm not defending them, just noting the facts. If our tax system was simple, HR Block and others would be out of work.

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Aug 9, 2022 11:42:48   #
CarryOn
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Not really, I was audited, they said I owed an additional amount, I'm like ok, I paid it, end of story. The amount was about $2500, want worth lawyers, all the aggravation, and worry.


Did you owe the $2500? Did you do it intentionally or was it an error? That's personal, and please don't answer. I'm just pointing out that, as someone else on this same thread suggested, the IRS "finding" amounts in an audit that people won't challenge because it "wasn't worth lawyers, all the aggravation, and worry" is an easy way to make up a lot of that $45 billion they have to come up with to break even on the cost of the expansion. Do that to enough of the little people and it adds up. Tax codes are extremely complicated with the potential for errors great, and it's probable they would find something they could at least threaten the taxpayer with on just about any tax return, so they have a great chance of success at doing it that way. If you owed $25,000 or more instead of $2500, then it might be different. Attorneys. Time. Possible settlement for far less. Not worth it to them. Meantime, they have the ability to freeze your bank accounts, garnish your wages, and cause you all kinds of grief until you pay up.

What they need to do is use those 87,000 agents to rewrite the tax code, leaving out all the loopholes for the wealthy, and make it as simple as they possibly can.

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