Schumer-Manchin Spending Bill Supercharges IRS to Go After Middle-Class Income Earners
Report: Schumer-Manchin Spending Bill Supercharges IRS to Go After Middle-Class Income Earners
By Warner Todd Huston
August 7, 2022 at 1:34pm
The new spending bill being debated in the Senate would unleash the IRS to become a major threat to millions of lower and middle-class Americans just as they are already being crushed by inflation, high gas prices, soaring local taxes and stagnating wages.
In fact, this budget deal would make the IRS bigger than the Pentagon, or the FBI, or U.S. Border Patrol, the Washington Free Beacon noted.
Tucked down into the budget being ushered through the Senate by Democratic Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is a provision to hire up to 87,000 new IRS auditors whose job will be to target the middle classes for a massive campaign of audits to take more of their money.
The bill provides for an additional $80 billion in funding for the IRS, which would more than double the size of the agency. And it would also task the IRS with targeting the middle classes to raise an additional $200 billion in funding the Democrats want to use to fund government spending.
This would increase the agency’s budget by more than 600 percent.
The funding would make the IRS the biggest government agency of them all. According to the Beacon, “The Pentagon houses roughly 27,000 employees, according to the Defense Department, while a human resources fact sheet says the State Department employs just over 77,243 staff. The FBI employs approximately 35,000 people, according to the agency’s website, and Customs and Border Protection says it employs 19,536 Border Patrol agents.”
According to the Wall Street Journal, “The bill earmarks $45.6 billion for ‘enforcement,’ including ‘litigation,’ ‘criminal investigations,’ ‘investigative technology,’ ‘digital asset monitoring’ and a new fleet of tax-collector cars. The result will be far more audits, civil suits and criminal referrals.”
As the Wall Street Journal pointed out, “The main targets will by necessity be the middle- and upper-middle class because that’s where the money is.”
That is correct. The Democrats need to target the middle class because that is where the most money actually is — not “the rich.” And that is where the left needs to go to grab as much money for all their new spending as they can get.
The majority of these new revenues will come from Americans making less than $200,00 a year, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. So, clearly, the new IRS agents will be tasked with fanning out and scrutinizing the middle class.
So, far from going after “the rich” or “tax cheats,” Senate Republicans also note that Schumer and Biden’s IRS would be coming after us.
“According to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), the brunt of any new revenue from hiring an army of IRS auditors will overwhelming hit low- and middle-income earners, people already struggling with high gas prices and 9.1 percent inflation,” a Monday news release noted. “CBO scores the $80 billion for mandatory IRS funding as spending only, and gives phantom credit for potential enforcement revenue that might be generated in ‘future baselines.'”
But even as the Democrats claim that they need to target cheaters and the evil rich, according to the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC), convictions for tax fraud actually went down last year.
In June of last year, the USSC noted that “in fiscal year 2020, there were 324 tax fraud offenders sentenced under the guidelines. The number of tax fraud offenders has decreased by 45.5 percent since fiscal year 2016.”
House Republicans also reminded Americans that the IRS already has a long-long history of abusing its power as it is and that this bill will only “supercharge” an already out-of-control agency.
House Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee recently said, “Overly broad IRS targeting spanning decades has claimed many victims, and Democrats are trying to revive it.”
The Republicans recalled the IRS operative Lois Lerner incident starting in 2013 when former President Barack Obama ordered her to harass conservative and religion-based organizations, the millions the IRS has taken from small businesses, not to mention the many instances of the IRS violating Americans’ due process.
“Lois Lerner notoriously targeted conservative nonprofits for special scrutiny in 2013. ProPublica, the left-leaning website, obtained and published the confidential tax information of private citizens in 2021 — conveniently when Democrats were debating whether to impose a new wealth tax. The IRS has promised to investigate the illegal leak but has so far come up empty,” the House GOP said.
The Republicans also pointed out that the new funding isn’t helping to fix the major failures the IRS is wallowing in already.
“Despite all this new money,” the Republicans said, “Americans shouldn’t expect better IRS service. The agency in the 2022 filing season answered a mere 10 percent of its phone calls. The Taxpayer Advocate Service revealed in June that as of May 31 the IRS was still sitting on 21.3 million unprocessed paper tax returns, with millions of taxpayers ‘waiting six months or more to receive their refunds.’ Yet the Schumer-Manchin bill devotes only $3.2 billion for ‘taxpayer services.'”
All this is aimed at taking as much money away from Americans as possible at a time when we are all already suffering from President Joe Biden’s massive mismanagement of the national economy.
dtucker300 wrote:
Report: Schumer-Manchin Spending Bill Supercharges IRS to Go After Middle-Class Income Earners
By Warner Todd Huston
August 7, 2022 at 1:34pm
The new spending bill being debated in the Senate would unleash the IRS to become a major threat to millions of lower and middle-class Americans just as they are already being crushed by inflation, high gas prices, soaring local taxes and stagnating wages.
In fact, this budget deal would make the IRS bigger than the Pentagon, or the FBI, or U.S. Border Patrol, the Washington Free Beacon noted.
Tucked down into the budget being ushered through the Senate by Democratic Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is a provision to hire up to 87,000 new IRS auditors whose job will be to target the middle classes for a massive campaign of audits to take more of their money.
The bill provides for an additional $80 billion in funding for the IRS, which would more than double the size of the agency. And it would also task the IRS with targeting the middle classes to raise an additional $200 billion in funding the Democrats want to use to fund government spending.
This would increase the agency’s budget by more than 600 percent.
The funding would make the IRS the biggest government agency of them all. According to the Beacon, “The Pentagon houses roughly 27,000 employees, according to the Defense Department, while a human resources fact sheet says the State Department employs just over 77,243 staff. The FBI employs approximately 35,000 people, according to the agency’s website, and Customs and Border Protection says it employs 19,536 Border Patrol agents.”
According to the Wall Street Journal, “The bill earmarks $45.6 billion for ‘enforcement,’ including ‘litigation,’ ‘criminal investigations,’ ‘investigative technology,’ ‘digital asset monitoring’ and a new fleet of tax-collector cars. The result will be far more audits, civil suits and criminal referrals.”
As the Wall Street Journal pointed out, “The main targets will by necessity be the middle- and upper-middle class because that’s where the money is.”
That is correct. The Democrats need to target the middle class because that is where the most money actually is — not “the rich.” And that is where the left needs to go to grab as much money for all their new spending as they can get.
The majority of these new revenues will come from Americans making less than $200,00 a year, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. So, clearly, the new IRS agents will be tasked with fanning out and scrutinizing the middle class.
So, far from going after “the rich” or “tax cheats,” Senate Republicans also note that Schumer and Biden’s IRS would be coming after us.
“According to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), the brunt of any new revenue from hiring an army of IRS auditors will overwhelming hit low- and middle-income earners, people already struggling with high gas prices and 9.1 percent inflation,” a Monday news release noted. “CBO scores the $80 billion for mandatory IRS funding as spending only, and gives phantom credit for potential enforcement revenue that might be generated in ‘future baselines.'”
But even as the Democrats claim that they need to target cheaters and the evil rich, according to the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC), convictions for tax fraud actually went down last year.
In June of last year, the USSC noted that “in fiscal year 2020, there were 324 tax fraud offenders sentenced under the guidelines. The number of tax fraud offenders has decreased by 45.5 percent since fiscal year 2016.”
House Republicans also reminded Americans that the IRS already has a long-long history of abusing its power as it is and that this bill will only “supercharge” an already out-of-control agency.
House Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee recently said, “Overly broad IRS targeting spanning decades has claimed many victims, and Democrats are trying to revive it.”
The Republicans recalled the IRS operative Lois Lerner incident starting in 2013 when former President Barack Obama ordered her to harass conservative and religion-based organizations, the millions the IRS has taken from small businesses, not to mention the many instances of the IRS violating Americans’ due process.
“Lois Lerner notoriously targeted conservative nonprofits for special scrutiny in 2013. ProPublica, the left-leaning website, obtained and published the confidential tax information of private citizens in 2021 — conveniently when Democrats were debating whether to impose a new wealth tax. The IRS has promised to investigate the illegal leak but has so far come up empty,” the House GOP said.
The Republicans also pointed out that the new funding isn’t helping to fix the major failures the IRS is wallowing in already.
“Despite all this new money,” the Republicans said, “Americans shouldn’t expect better IRS service. The agency in the 2022 filing season answered a mere 10 percent of its phone calls. The Taxpayer Advocate Service revealed in June that as of May 31 the IRS was still sitting on 21.3 million unprocessed paper tax returns, with millions of taxpayers ‘waiting six months or more to receive their refunds.’ Yet the Schumer-Manchin bill devotes only $3.2 billion for ‘taxpayer services.'”
All this is aimed at taking as much money away from Americans as possible at a time when we are all already suffering from President Joe Biden’s massive mismanagement of the national economy.
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Democrat Senator Tells Americans They Don’t Need to Fear New IRS Agents If They Comply
ByAdminPublished on August 8, 2022
The “Inflation Reduction Act,” in reality, is more of an environmental bill that empowers the IRS with 87,000 new agents. While the Democrats say this is only here to make the IRS better at providing services for the American people while making the rich pay their fair share, logic dictates that these many more agents aren’t needed unless the plan is to come after far more than just the wealthy.
Many have naturally expressed fear that the government is effectively preparing an army to go after the American people. This fear was relayed to Democrat Senator Ben Cardin of Maryland who appeared on Fox News Sunday to chat with host Mike Emanuel.
Emanuel mentioned that the thousands of IRS agents being hired is going to “scare the heck out of millions of Americans.” Cardin’s response does absolutely nothing to squash those fears.
“Millions of Americans aren’t going to be impacted by that other than getting better service from the IRS having their telephone answer getting the questions they need in order to comply with our tax laws,” Cardin said. “The auditing is going to be focused on those of high income, the large corporations, etc.”
It was then that the Democrat Senator dropped one of the biggest red flags one can when it comes to giving more power to authorities.
“If there’s no reason to be fearful, and if you paid your taxes and if you complied with our laws, you should want to make sure everyone else does that,” said Cardin.
Translation: “Comply with the tax increases and agents won’t harass you.”
In many ways, this is actually more of a threat than it is a reassurance. People are already hurting as it is and asking that they pay more is only going to make things worse. Even if they did only want to go after corporations and the rich, it would still be a massive blow to the lower classes due to the fact that corporations would just react with price hikes for their product, making the poor pay more anyway.
But it’s not just the wealthy as House Minority Whip John Thune noted.
“Yet 4 percent of the $80 billion is going to taxpayer services; 57 percent goes to enforcement so that the IRS can spend more time harassing taxpayers around this country,” Thune added.
Meaning well over half the billions going to the IRS will be dedicated, not to improving wait times and getting documents filed and completed in a timely manner, but to enforcement agents calling you and/or showing up at your door.
Democrats have no intention of helping you. If they did, they’d hire 87,000 border agents to stop the illegal migrant/drug trafficking plaguing our nation. Instead, Democrats are empowering one of the most punishing and terrifying government agencies in the United States.
Strycker
Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
dtucker300 wrote:
Report: Schumer-Manchin Spending Bill Supercharges IRS to Go After Middle-Class Income Earners
By Warner Todd Huston
August 7, 2022 at 1:34pm
The new spending bill being debated in the Senate would unleash the IRS to become a major threat to millions of lower and middle-class Americans just as they are already being crushed by inflation, high gas prices, soaring local taxes and stagnating wages.
In fact, this budget deal would make the IRS bigger than the Pentagon, or the FBI, or U.S. Border Patrol, the Washington Free Beacon noted.
Tucked down into the budget being ushered through the Senate by Democratic Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is a provision to hire up to 87,000 new IRS auditors whose job will be to target the middle classes for a massive campaign of audits to take more of their money.
The bill provides for an additional $80 billion in funding for the IRS, which would more than double the size of the agency. And it would also task the IRS with targeting the middle classes to raise an additional $200 billion in funding the Democrats want to use to fund government spending.
This would increase the agency’s budget by more than 600 percent.
The funding would make the IRS the biggest government agency of them all. According to the Beacon, “The Pentagon houses roughly 27,000 employees, according to the Defense Department, while a human resources fact sheet says the State Department employs just over 77,243 staff. The FBI employs approximately 35,000 people, according to the agency’s website, and Customs and Border Protection says it employs 19,536 Border Patrol agents.”
According to the Wall Street Journal, “The bill earmarks $45.6 billion for ‘enforcement,’ including ‘litigation,’ ‘criminal investigations,’ ‘investigative technology,’ ‘digital asset monitoring’ and a new fleet of tax-collector cars. The result will be far more audits, civil suits and criminal referrals.”
As the Wall Street Journal pointed out, “The main targets will by necessity be the middle- and upper-middle class because that’s where the money is.”
That is correct. The Democrats need to target the middle class because that is where the most money actually is — not “the rich.” And that is where the left needs to go to grab as much money for all their new spending as they can get.
The majority of these new revenues will come from Americans making less than $200,00 a year, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. So, clearly, the new IRS agents will be tasked with fanning out and scrutinizing the middle class.
So, far from going after “the rich” or “tax cheats,” Senate Republicans also note that Schumer and Biden’s IRS would be coming after us.
“According to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), the brunt of any new revenue from hiring an army of IRS auditors will overwhelming hit low- and middle-income earners, people already struggling with high gas prices and 9.1 percent inflation,” a Monday news release noted. “CBO scores the $80 billion for mandatory IRS funding as spending only, and gives phantom credit for potential enforcement revenue that might be generated in ‘future baselines.'”
But even as the Democrats claim that they need to target cheaters and the evil rich, according to the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC), convictions for tax fraud actually went down last year.
In June of last year, the USSC noted that “in fiscal year 2020, there were 324 tax fraud offenders sentenced under the guidelines. The number of tax fraud offenders has decreased by 45.5 percent since fiscal year 2016.”
House Republicans also reminded Americans that the IRS already has a long-long history of abusing its power as it is and that this bill will only “supercharge” an already out-of-control agency.
House Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee recently said, “Overly broad IRS targeting spanning decades has claimed many victims, and Democrats are trying to revive it.”
The Republicans recalled the IRS operative Lois Lerner incident starting in 2013 when former President Barack Obama ordered her to harass conservative and religion-based organizations, the millions the IRS has taken from small businesses, not to mention the many instances of the IRS violating Americans’ due process.
“Lois Lerner notoriously targeted conservative nonprofits for special scrutiny in 2013. ProPublica, the left-leaning website, obtained and published the confidential tax information of private citizens in 2021 — conveniently when Democrats were debating whether to impose a new wealth tax. The IRS has promised to investigate the illegal leak but has so far come up empty,” the House GOP said.
The Republicans also pointed out that the new funding isn’t helping to fix the major failures the IRS is wallowing in already.
“Despite all this new money,” the Republicans said, “Americans shouldn’t expect better IRS service. The agency in the 2022 filing season answered a mere 10 percent of its phone calls. The Taxpayer Advocate Service revealed in June that as of May 31 the IRS was still sitting on 21.3 million unprocessed paper tax returns, with millions of taxpayers ‘waiting six months or more to receive their refunds.’ Yet the Schumer-Manchin bill devotes only $3.2 billion for ‘taxpayer services.'”
All this is aimed at taking as much money away from Americans as possible at a time when we are all already suffering from President Joe Biden’s massive mismanagement of the national economy.
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The IRS (i.e. the American Gestapo) will be tasked with going after domestic terrorists (i.e. Republicans). An easy job with the impossible complexity of complying with the convoluted tax rules. The bureaucrats and politicians must silence any opposition in order to transform America and keep the gravy train going. Resistance is futile.
The amount of IRS accountants were deeply cut by Trump. This actually caused a decrease in IRS revenues. A typical agent brings in much more than their salary.
It sounds like you sre fearmongering. If you are a middle class person, and if you pay your taxes, what are you worried about? You should only worry if you are cheating us taxpayers out of the revenue we deserve. I do think the slipery one percenters have to worry more than the average tax payer.
pegw wrote:
The amount of IRS accountants were deeply cut by Trump. This actually caused a decrease in IRS revenues. A typical agent brings in much more than their salary.
It sounds like you sre fearmongering. If you are a middle class person, and if you pay your taxes, what are you worried about? You should only worry if you are cheating us taxpayers out of the revenue we deserve. I do think the slipery one percenters have to worry more than the average tax payer.
BS. How are you defining "IRS revenues?" (A typical agent brings in much more than their salary. Well, DUH! Why are there so many ignorant people? The American educational system is the reason. Wokeness and indoctrination.)
The "Revenue" coming into the treasury was greater under Trump's tax plan. Have you never heard of the Laffer Curve? Lower taxes increase revenue in the long run. Now the idiots in Congress and the White House want to increase taxes during an inflationary/stagflationary period with no end in sight until the Fed gets serious and raises interest rates to match inflation. Austerity is the only way out of this mess. There are not enough Billionaires to support the government's current drunken spending. It is unsustainable.
Now, if you define IRS Revenue as the operating budget then you are correct despite your imprecise use of the King's English.
dtucker300 wrote:
Report: Schumer-Manchin Spending Bill Supercharges IRS to Go After Middle-Class Income Earners
By Warner Todd Huston
August 7, 2022 at 1:34pm
The new spending bill being debated in the Senate would unleash the IRS to become a major threat to millions of lower and middle-class Americans just as they are already being crushed by inflation, high gas prices, soaring local taxes and stagnating wages.
In fact, this budget deal would make the IRS bigger than the Pentagon, or the FBI, or U.S. Border Patrol, the Washington Free Beacon noted.
Tucked down into the budget being ushered through the Senate by Democratic Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is a provision to hire up to 87,000 new IRS auditors whose job will be to target the middle classes for a massive campaign of audits to take more of their money.
The bill provides for an additional $80 billion in funding for the IRS, which would more than double the size of the agency. And it would also task the IRS with targeting the middle classes to raise an additional $200 billion in funding the Democrats want to use to fund government spending.
This would increase the agency’s budget by more than 600 percent.
The funding would make the IRS the biggest government agency of them all. According to the Beacon, “The Pentagon houses roughly 27,000 employees, according to the Defense Department, while a human resources fact sheet says the State Department employs just over 77,243 staff. The FBI employs approximately 35,000 people, according to the agency’s website, and Customs and Border Protection says it employs 19,536 Border Patrol agents.”
According to the Wall Street Journal, “The bill earmarks $45.6 billion for ‘enforcement,’ including ‘litigation,’ ‘criminal investigations,’ ‘investigative technology,’ ‘digital asset monitoring’ and a new fleet of tax-collector cars. The result will be far more audits, civil suits and criminal referrals.”
As the Wall Street Journal pointed out, “The main targets will by necessity be the middle- and upper-middle class because that’s where the money is.”
That is correct. The Democrats need to target the middle class because that is where the most money actually is — not “the rich.” And that is where the left needs to go to grab as much money for all their new spending as they can get.
The majority of these new revenues will come from Americans making less than $200,00 a year, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. So, clearly, the new IRS agents will be tasked with fanning out and scrutinizing the middle class.
So, far from going after “the rich” or “tax cheats,” Senate Republicans also note that Schumer and Biden’s IRS would be coming after us.
“According to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), the brunt of any new revenue from hiring an army of IRS auditors will overwhelming hit low- and middle-income earners, people already struggling with high gas prices and 9.1 percent inflation,” a Monday news release noted. “CBO scores the $80 billion for mandatory IRS funding as spending only, and gives phantom credit for potential enforcement revenue that might be generated in ‘future baselines.'”
But even as the Democrats claim that they need to target cheaters and the evil rich, according to the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC), convictions for tax fraud actually went down last year.
In June of last year, the USSC noted that “in fiscal year 2020, there were 324 tax fraud offenders sentenced under the guidelines. The number of tax fraud offenders has decreased by 45.5 percent since fiscal year 2016.”
House Republicans also reminded Americans that the IRS already has a long-long history of abusing its power as it is and that this bill will only “supercharge” an already out-of-control agency.
House Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee recently said, “Overly broad IRS targeting spanning decades has claimed many victims, and Democrats are trying to revive it.”
The Republicans recalled the IRS operative Lois Lerner incident starting in 2013 when former President Barack Obama ordered her to harass conservative and religion-based organizations, the millions the IRS has taken from small businesses, not to mention the many instances of the IRS violating Americans’ due process.
“Lois Lerner notoriously targeted conservative nonprofits for special scrutiny in 2013. ProPublica, the left-leaning website, obtained and published the confidential tax information of private citizens in 2021 — conveniently when Democrats were debating whether to impose a new wealth tax. The IRS has promised to investigate the illegal leak but has so far come up empty,” the House GOP said.
The Republicans also pointed out that the new funding isn’t helping to fix the major failures the IRS is wallowing in already.
“Despite all this new money,” the Republicans said, “Americans shouldn’t expect better IRS service. The agency in the 2022 filing season answered a mere 10 percent of its phone calls. The Taxpayer Advocate Service revealed in June that as of May 31 the IRS was still sitting on 21.3 million unprocessed paper tax returns, with millions of taxpayers ‘waiting six months or more to receive their refunds.’ Yet the Schumer-Manchin bill devotes only $3.2 billion for ‘taxpayer services.'”
All this is aimed at taking as much money away from Americans as possible at a time when we are all already suffering from President Joe Biden’s massive mismanagement of the national economy.
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If you pay what's owed, you have little to worry about. If you "fudge" the numbers, well maybe you're going to get caught.
Tiptop789 wrote:
If you pay what's owed, you have little to worry about. If you "fudge" the numbers, well maybe you're going to get caught.
Fair enough.
But the tax system is unwieldy and unfair as it currently stands. No one understands it and even the IRS helpline can't give consistently accurate answers to taxpayers' questions, that's if you can even get through to them. There's a backlog of audits and many returns from 2020 that have yet to be processed.
Strycker wrote:
The IRS (i.e. the American Gestapo) will be tasked with going after domestic terrorists (i.e. Republicans). An easy job with the impossible complexity of complying with the convoluted tax rules. The bureaucrats and politicians must silence any opposition in order to transform America and keep the gravy train going. Resistance is futile.
Lois Lerner militarized and politicized the IRS against Conservatives during the Obama admin. They were roundly rebuked by the courts. Now, Biden has the same people from the Obama years and they will try again.
dtucker300 wrote:
Report: Schumer-Manchin Spending Bill Supercharges IRS to Go After Middle-Class Income Earners
By Warner Todd Huston
August 7, 2022 at 1:34pm
The new spending bill being debated in the Senate would unleash the IRS to become a major threat to millions of lower and middle-class Americans just as they are already being crushed by inflation, high gas prices, soaring local taxes and stagnating wages.
In fact, this budget deal would make the IRS bigger than the Pentagon, or the FBI, or U.S. Border Patrol, the Washington Free Beacon noted.
Tucked down into the budget being ushered through the Senate by Democratic Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is a provision to hire up to 87,000 new IRS auditors whose job will be to target the middle classes for a massive campaign of audits to take more of their money.
The bill provides for an additional $80 billion in funding for the IRS, which would more than double the size of the agency. And it would also task the IRS with targeting the middle classes to raise an additional $200 billion in funding the Democrats want to use to fund government spending.
This would increase the agency’s budget by more than 600 percent.
The funding would make the IRS the biggest government agency of them all. According to the Beacon, “The Pentagon houses roughly 27,000 employees, according to the Defense Department, while a human resources fact sheet says the State Department employs just over 77,243 staff. The FBI employs approximately 35,000 people, according to the agency’s website, and Customs and Border Protection says it employs 19,536 Border Patrol agents.”
According to the Wall Street Journal, “The bill earmarks $45.6 billion for ‘enforcement,’ including ‘litigation,’ ‘criminal investigations,’ ‘investigative technology,’ ‘digital asset monitoring’ and a new fleet of tax-collector cars. The result will be far more audits, civil suits and criminal referrals.”
As the Wall Street Journal pointed out, “The main targets will by necessity be the middle- and upper-middle class because that’s where the money is.”
That is correct. The Democrats need to target the middle class because that is where the most money actually is — not “the rich.” And that is where the left needs to go to grab as much money for all their new spending as they can get.
The majority of these new revenues will come from Americans making less than $200,00 a year, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. So, clearly, the new IRS agents will be tasked with fanning out and scrutinizing the middle class.
So, far from going after “the rich” or “tax cheats,” Senate Republicans also note that Schumer and Biden’s IRS would be coming after us.
“According to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT), the brunt of any new revenue from hiring an army of IRS auditors will overwhelming hit low- and middle-income earners, people already struggling with high gas prices and 9.1 percent inflation,” a Monday news release noted. “CBO scores the $80 billion for mandatory IRS funding as spending only, and gives phantom credit for potential enforcement revenue that might be generated in ‘future baselines.'”
But even as the Democrats claim that they need to target cheaters and the evil rich, according to the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC), convictions for tax fraud actually went down last year.
In June of last year, the USSC noted that “in fiscal year 2020, there were 324 tax fraud offenders sentenced under the guidelines. The number of tax fraud offenders has decreased by 45.5 percent since fiscal year 2016.”
House Republicans also reminded Americans that the IRS already has a long-long history of abusing its power as it is and that this bill will only “supercharge” an already out-of-control agency.
House Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee recently said, “Overly broad IRS targeting spanning decades has claimed many victims, and Democrats are trying to revive it.”
The Republicans recalled the IRS operative Lois Lerner incident starting in 2013 when former President Barack Obama ordered her to harass conservative and religion-based organizations, the millions the IRS has taken from small businesses, not to mention the many instances of the IRS violating Americans’ due process.
“Lois Lerner notoriously targeted conservative nonprofits for special scrutiny in 2013. ProPublica, the left-leaning website, obtained and published the confidential tax information of private citizens in 2021 — conveniently when Democrats were debating whether to impose a new wealth tax. The IRS has promised to investigate the illegal leak but has so far come up empty,” the House GOP said.
The Republicans also pointed out that the new funding isn’t helping to fix the major failures the IRS is wallowing in already.
“Despite all this new money,” the Republicans said, “Americans shouldn’t expect better IRS service. The agency in the 2022 filing season answered a mere 10 percent of its phone calls. The Taxpayer Advocate Service revealed in June that as of May 31 the IRS was still sitting on 21.3 million unprocessed paper tax returns, with millions of taxpayers ‘waiting six months or more to receive their refunds.’ Yet the Schumer-Manchin bill devotes only $3.2 billion for ‘taxpayer services.'”
All this is aimed at taking as much money away from Americans as possible at a time when we are all already suffering from President Joe Biden’s massive mismanagement of the national economy.
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Gee, I wonder if any of these 87,000 new agents will be assigned to fix this:
https://cis.org/Child-Tax-Credits-Illegal-ImmigrantsSome reports show that this is costing us over $10 billion per year. Now wouldn't that be a great savings for taxpayers. Slojoe could go out and brag about that when it happens ... but don't hold your breath. They're not going after the illegals. They're going after American citizens.
And the standard reply, "well, if you pay your taxes you don't have anything to worry about," is not true. If they decide to come after you to investigate whether or not you paid your taxes, or look for some error so they can justify auditing you, you still would have to pay for attorneys' fees and most likely fees for an accountant/cpa to assist you. And neither of those are cheap ... or deductible.
Strycker
Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
pegw wrote:
The amount of IRS accountants were deeply cut by Trump. This actually caused a decrease in IRS revenues. A typical agent brings in much more than their salary.
It sounds like you sre fearmongering. If you are a middle class person, and if you pay your taxes, what are you worried about? You should only worry if you are cheating us taxpayers out of the revenue we deserve. I do think the slipery one percenters have to worry more than the average tax payer.
Wrong on all counts. The IRS was cut by 20% adjusted for inflation under Obama. Not Trump.
The IRS rules are so convoluted that any taxpayer with more than a simple W2 and standard deduction is likely to be a tax cheat in some way. Any taxpayer that hires lawn maintenance or a house keeper and doesn't report it is a tax cheat. Even IRS agents don't understand all the tax laws they are assigned to enforce.
Everyone should fear the IRS. It has it's own police powers and courts so there is little due process protection unless you are very wealthy. And you deserve nothing that is mine! You may confiscate it using government policing powers but you do not deserve it.
Lastly the top 1% file 1.5 million tax returns while the rest of us file 148 million returns. 99% of returns are not the 1%. You don't need 87,000 agents to look at 1.5 million returns a year. Who do you think those 87k new agents are gonna be looking at. Certainly not just the 1.5 million wealthy returns.
If the IRS sent you a letter claiming you made a $211 mistake would you just pay it or hire a lawyer to fight them over that $211. The vast vast majority would just pay it. If the IRS sent every taxpayer the same letter that adds up the the 313 billion that they claim they are going to collect over the next 10 years. It's all a shell game and you are the loser.
If you are a middle class person, and if you pay your taxes, you should be worried. You are already a compliant target that can bled just a little bit more.
CarryOn wrote:
Gee, I wonder if any of these 87,000 new agents will be assigned to fix this:
https://cis.org/Child-Tax-Credits-Illegal-Immigrants
Some reports show that this is costing us over $10 billion per year. Now wouldn't that be a great savings for taxpayers. Slojoe could go out and brag about that when it happens ... but don't hold your breath. They're not going after the illegals. They're going after American citizens.
And the standard reply, "well, if you pay your taxes you don't have anything to worry about," is not true. If they decide to come after you to investigate whether or not you paid your taxes, or look for some error so they can justify auditing you, you still would have to pay for attorneys' fees and most likely fees for an accountant/cpa to assist you. And neither of those are cheap ... or deductible.
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Like talking to the police after you have been Mirandized. "If you are innocent and have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." But anything you say may (and will) be used against you (even if it is unrelated to the current investigation). This is why you keep your mouth shut until you've seen a lawyer. A fool tries to talk their way out of it; even the innocent.
dtucker300 wrote:
Report: Schumer-Manchin Spending Bill Supercharges IRS to Go After Middle-Class Income Earners
By Warner Todd Huston
Is there a reason you are repeating this Warner Huston stupidity?
The IRS does not intend to "go after middle class income earners", they need to go after middle class tax cheaters, among other groups of tax cheaters, middle and upper middle class business owners being a rather entitled group that seems to believe they can get away without paying the taxes they owe, so they don't claim what they know they owe.
And why is it people seem to get so fired up about the IRS enforcing taxes? What we have here is a group of law abiding people who properly claim the taxes they owe, and a group of lawless entitled scum that believes they shouldn't have to pay taxes.
dtucker300 wrote:
And the standard reply, "well, if you pay your taxes you don't have anything to worry about," is not true.
Like talking to the police after you have been Mirandized. "If you are innocent and have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about." But anything you say may (and will) be used against you (even if it is unrelated to the current investigation). This is why you keep your mouth shut until you've seen a lawyer. A fool tries to talk their way out of it; even the innocent.
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If you pay your taxes you have a hell of a lot less to worry about than if you don't...why create the worry about law abiding people being persecuted, and worry about the ones that are not law abiding being held accountable, but then why worry about that?
Why is the right always creating the bogeyman fears against good people when we need to go after bad people that are cheating good hard working Americans out of the share they are stealing?
Strycker
Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
woodguru wrote:
Is there a reason you are repeating this Warner Huston stupidity?
The IRS does not intend to "go after middle class income earners", they need to go after middle class tax cheaters, among other groups of tax cheaters, middle and upper middle class business owners being a rather entitled group that seems to believe they can get away without paying the taxes they owe, so they don't claim what they know they owe.
And why is it people seem to get so fired up about the IRS enforcing taxes? What we have here is a group of law abiding people who properly claim the taxes they owe, and a group of lawless entitled scum that believes they shouldn't have to pay taxes.
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Because the IRS has it's own police force and it's own court system where you are assumed guilty until you prove your innocence. If you get on their radar you are going to lose even if you win.
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