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Aug 5, 2022 18:33:33   #
PeterS
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
For the last time, Einsteinette, there is no such word as Oligarchian. If you are trying to impress us with your vocabulary you might want to start by using real words.


From Latin oligarchia (“oligarchy”), from Ancient Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía, “rule of the few”),

It all boils down to the same, conservative preference for the rule of the few over the rule of the many.

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Aug 5, 2022 18:46:35   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
What is it that the foolish trump troops think they are saving in the constitution as they attack the capital and try to replace the judical system via blocking and intrigue?

I should add that I truly like that MEME you use now and then..

Oh, I should add, the last time I was notified Minnesota was considering a convention of states etc was to get trump out of office after the republicans refused to consider it..
You are either completely misinformed or far too politically biased, probably both, to understand a word I just posted.

An Article V convention of states has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with removing anyone from office.
And to deflect this discussion toward another attack on "trump troops" is the epitome of leftist ignorance.
You people have one track minds and the tracks lead nowhere.

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Aug 5, 2022 18:51:26   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are either completely misinformed or far too politically biased, probably both, to understand a word I just posted.

An Article V convention of states has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with removing anyone from office.
And to deflect this discussion toward another attack on "trump troops" is the epitome of leftist ignorance.
You people have one track minds and the tracks lead nowhere.


OK Blade, tell me, what is the convention of states about and what is it trying to do?? BTW, who is backing it other then trump troops...

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Aug 5, 2022 19:00:52   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
son of witless wrote:
She and Brandon are not on the same page.


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That is no problem, neither one can read.

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Aug 5, 2022 19:08:11   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
OK Blade, tell me, what is the convention of states about and what is it trying to do?? BTW, who is backing it other then trump troops...
Good grief, man, are you daft? In my previous post, I made it perfectly clear the purpose of an Article V convention of states.

The purpose under current consideration in calling for a convention under Article V of the United States Constitution, is restricted to proposing amendments that will impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit its power and jurisdiction, and impose term limits on its officials (judges and justices) and members of Congress. The big one is the repeal of the 17th amendment which, if ratified, would restore the US Senate.

FYI: An Article V Convention of States is a constitutional process and a constitutional process aimed at benefiting ALL American citizens should be welcomed by everyone who identifies as an American citizen. Political parties be damned.

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Aug 5, 2022 19:15:19   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
PeterS wrote:
From Latin oligarchia (“oligarchy”), from Ancient Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía, “rule of the few”),

It all boils down to the same, conservative preference for the rule of the few over the rule of the many.


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Where do you get your booze? It seems to be rather powerful! Did I read something from Abe Lincoln about a government of, by and for the people? Did I swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States? Yes! Am I a conservative? You bet I am! One thing I have to give the Left: they seem to have the most zillionaires with crackpot ideas. Yes, oligarchs in waiting.

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Aug 5, 2022 19:27:41   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
It does bother me that anyone could hold that opinion and think it all worthwhile..

Why???? Are you fearing the Dems will attack the capital and succeed??

Fearing your wanna be dictator will die without getting to change the world??

No I fear they’re going to burn down the country

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Aug 5, 2022 19:31:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Good grief, man, are you daft? In my previous post, I made it perfectly clear the purpose of an Article V convention of states.

The purpose under current consideration in calling for a convention under Article V of the United States Constitution, is restricted to proposing amendments that will impose fiscal restraints on the federal government, limit its power and jurisdiction, and impose term limits on its officials (judges and justices) and members of Congress. The big one is the repeal of the 17th amendment which, if ratified, would restore the US Senate.

FYI: An Article V Convention of States is a constitutional process and a constitutional process aimed at benefiting ALL American citizens should be welcomed by everyone who identifies as an American citizen. Political parties be damned.
Good grief, man, are you daft? In my previous post... (show quote)


Yes, I got those facts I know what an article V does or can do.... my question was meant to ask. what specific changes do these people want?.. Why are they doing this?

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Aug 5, 2022 19:33:11   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Birdmam wrote:
No I fear they’re going to burn down the country


Speak plainly, do not hold back..

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Aug 5, 2022 19:36:36   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
permafrost wrote:
We have reasons and more then one. His working to give Putin every thing he could, making Putin the most benefited man in the world by trump wallowing in the oval, giving Kim all the recognition he and his family ever wanted on the worlds table and getting not one thing back in return.. congratulating The Xi when he was made China leader for life and commenting live on video what he himself would love that.. cheering for the Philippine leader who killed the opposition, calling it a strong image.. giving the leaders of Syria and Turkey the Kurdish troops and Putin a clear highway to the Mediterranean when when in one day he put our troops to guarding oil wells for SA and the bases to Putin. making our presence in the ME meaningless. Putin now the big dog.

And last and most obvious.. the big lie.... refusing to acknowledge the free and legal election which fired him..
We have reasons and more then one. His working to... (show quote)


Perm, lad, you are grievously vexed with a superabundance of Leftist Bovine Scat. Neither Putin, Xi or Kim benefitted from Trump's presidency. CNN & the DNC claimed they did. They lied. Trump extended the hand of peace in one hand yet carried a heavy club in the other. That's called smart diplomacy, ala Teddy Roosevelt. The sycophantic world joined by American Leftists couldn't stand an American President who told them to piss off. Yet they rolled over & began paying their fair share for NATO defense.
When Xi visited Trump at his Florida compound Trump excused himself from dinner & returned shortly thereafter announcing he'd just sent a couple dozen missiles into Syria then asked how the Crème Brûlée was. It got Xi's attention.The despots of the world did not trust Trump's response if they prodded him. He smiled & was friendly yet told Kim his "button" (nuclear button) was bigger than Kim's. Kim got the message loud & clear. Perm,
you've been fed & digested so much crap about Trump that was never true so that now you are completely unable to separate Truth from fiction & lies. You're pixilated. 😡

Finally, regarding the 2020 election. I'm also one of those who believes it was fraudulent. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Regarding the forensic investigations, we make haste slowly. Keep the faith lad, keep the faith. 👍

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Aug 5, 2022 20:00:57   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
padremike wrote:
Perm, lad, you are grievously vexed with a superabundance of Leftist Bovine Scat. Neither Putin, Xi or Kim benefitted from Trump's presidency. CNN & the DNC claimed they did. They lied. Trump extended the hand of peace in one hand yet carried a heavy club in the other. That's called smart diplomacy, ala Teddy Roosevelt. The sycophantic world joined by American Leftists couldn't stand an American President who told them to piss off. Yet they rolled over & began paying their fair share for NATO defense.
When Xi visited Trump at his Florida compound Trump excused himself from dinner & returned shortly thereafter announcing he'd just sent a couple dozen missiles into Syria then asked how the Crème Brûlée was. It got Xi's attention.The despots of the world did not trust Trump's response if they prodded him. He smiled & was friendly yet told Kim his "button" (nuclear button) was bigger than Kim's. Kim got the message loud & clear. Perm,
you've been fed & digested so much crap about Trump that was never true so that now you are completely unable to separate Truth from fiction & lies. You're pixilated. 😡

Finally, regarding the 2020 election. I'm also one of those who believes it was fraudulent. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Regarding the forensic investigations, we make haste slowly. Keep the faith lad, keep the faith. 👍
Perm, lad, you are grievously vexed with a superab... (show quote)



OMG... so everything is a lie unless it comes from trump mouth.. how can you be so misinformed??? Is nothing impossible these days.. I find it very difficult that a person as intelligent as you would express that opinion..

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Aug 5, 2022 20:04:28   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
permafrost wrote:
Yes, I got those facts I know what an article V does or can do.... my question was meant to ask. what specific changes do these people want?.. Why are they doing this?
Are you having difficulty reading a simple paragraph?
How many times will I have to repeat myself before you get the message?

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Aug 5, 2022 20:06:08   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Are you having difficulty reading a simple paragraph?
How many times will I have to repeat myself before you get the message?


You have no message.. you keep repeating what an article V can do, but not a thing about the goal for this particular effort.. Or perhaps no one knows?

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Aug 5, 2022 20:09:02   #
Mantle
 
JR-57 wrote:
Excellent. Thanks for sharing. Functioning just like the Founders intended.



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Aug 5, 2022 20:26:06   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
permafrost wrote:
You have no message.. you keep repeating what an article V can do, but not a thing about the goal for this particular effort.. Or perhaps no one knows?


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You want speculation about a forthcoming event. Well, I am your man. I speculate just as well as anyone. Let me see if I can give you some answers: Addition from what Blade stated. I am pointing oiut subjects, not proposing specific language.
Bls

Focus on Amendment 2: firm up the language to ensure guns will be safe and their makers too.
Focus on the sovereignty of the US: Maintain and finish the fence and put razor wire on the top, and it has to be indirect for the Amendment verbiage, such as, ensure that our borders are safe from illegal entry.
Focus on the immigration problem: Ensure that we shut down the border from illegal entry, establish a complete immigration plan for the nation, and send home all the illegals BP can find.
Focus on the grave threats we have: end the woke nonsense for the military, ensure we have the military strength to fight both in Europe and in Asia, two big wars at once, just as we had earlier.
focus on every violation of the Constitution by Obama and Biden and put in what will stop their idiocy.
Focus on every Amendment to ensure they reflect the proper freedoms and liberties the nation requires.
Focus on the sovereignty of the US to ensure thst there will never be an America subservient under a global government.
Consider how to counter the threat from Islam and Islamic Jihad, as well as Communism. The Islamic threat is very real, and we are trapped by our freedom of religion to the point where they can operate with impunity.
End the ideas of PC and wokeness in the government.

There is more but it is late for speculation. Putting some of this into Amendment language will test the wordsmanship of the group! However, I do believe the scope will be quite narrow when the convention begins.

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