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Jul 16, 2022 17:29:03   #
martsiva
 
PeterS wrote:
1) Your reply is where you rebut the argument being made--not act like you agree with it

2) What left-wing agenda has been forced down anyone's throat?

3) Exactly why it is you conservatives think fear is power? Trump's power came from the people as he found out. That he was happy to be a dictator was the weakness of your party, not ours...


Really?? Just when was Trump 'happy to be a dictator'???

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Jul 16, 2022 17:37:35   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
I'll have to agree with you there, but only because I think you are describing a basic part of human nature, so I am only assuming this is true across the spectrum but I also think most Americans, being moderates for the most part, are willing to compromise for the sake of democracy, which is what I suppose makes them moderate. But I don't think the moderates on the left are loosing ground to less compromising extremism at the same rate the moderates on the right are.

I also think there are some fundamental differences in culture that make the right more apt to seek tyranny, perhaps without even realizing it. Such as the patriarchal mindset that has always been a solid foundation for tyranny AND for conservative culture. That mindset is certainly more challenged on the left.

So, while I appreciate your casual "it's all the same" comment, I think it remains oblivious to the actual threat of tyranny that I see rising on the right and so I will continue to point these indications out. ;)
I'll have to agree with you there, but only becaus... (show quote)


Devoid of intelligence. A senator says an off hand comment that he is 'afraid' of Trump, and from that you claim he wants Trump to be his 'dictator'. Then you extrapolate that all, or most, Trump supporters must want to make Trump a dictator, and Trump really wanted to be one.
This is an excellent example of what one of my engineering professors called 'Well educated idiocy'. What he was referring to is when supposedly smart people pick and choose which facts they want to believe, and assembling a conclusion giving priority to the things they take on faith.
When engineers use such logic and reasoning, the result is collapsed bridges, failing buildings, and circuits that fry. I doubt seriously if you would have passed the course.

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Jul 16, 2022 17:42:53   #
martsiva
 
straightUp wrote:
They are committed to a progressive agenda in a democratic system and the only elements of that progressive agenda that make it to law are the elements that the majority of Americans agree with. So there is no forcing. It's always put to a vote.

The problem is that the populist right are really sore losers and anytime they're are defeated at the ballot they can't simply accept that it's the way democracy works, they have to start accusing the other side of being tyrants.

Sorry Liberty-biberty. But in a democracy, you can't ALWAYS get what you want.
They are committed to a progressive agenda in a de... (show quote)


'Elements that the majority of Americans agree with'??? So you think Americans agree with the high cost of everything they need to survive?? You think that Americans agree with 1000s of ILLEGALS being allowed into this country?? You think Americans are happy with the gender confusion being pushed onto their children and all the other perversions in the Democrat party?? You think that Americans are happy with a 'president' that can`t even complete a whole sentence??

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Jul 16, 2022 17:43:39   #
son of witless
 
straightUp wrote:
They are committed to a progressive agenda in a democratic system and the only elements of that progressive agenda that make it to law are the elements that the majority of Americans agree with. So there is no forcing. It's always put to a vote.

The problem is that the populist right are really sore losers and anytime they're are defeated at the ballot they can't simply accept that it's the way democracy works, they have to start accusing the other side of being tyrants.

Sorry Liberty-biberty. But in a democracy, you can't ALWAYS get what you want.
They are committed to a progressive agenda in a de... (show quote)


" What makes you think anyone is supposed to be afraid of Biden? People aren't supposed to be afraid of their own presidents. For the record, the only people afraid of Trump are Republicans that think they need his endorsement. "

Truth be known-, was obviously talking about America's foreign enemies Russia, China, Islamic Terrorists, Illegal Immigrants, etc. Obvious to everyone, but you.

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Jul 16, 2022 17:45:25   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
son of witless wrote:
" What makes you think anyone is supposed to be afraid of Biden? People aren't supposed to be afraid of their own presidents. For the record, the only people afraid of Trump are Republicans that think they need his endorsement. "

Truth be known-, was obviously talking about America's foreign enemies Russia, China, Islamic Terrorists, Illegal Immigrants, etc. Obvious to everyone, but you.


Which one is Lindsay? Or doesn't he count?

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Jul 16, 2022 17:50:09   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
No one is afraid of Biden. Democrats are the dictator party. They are determined to force their radical leftwing agenda on everyone in America.

The world is changing. It is the right who are forcing a regressive agenda.

Soon the liberty of people who desire same sex marriages and those who want to use contraception will be debated. This is radical agenda.


And it is Donny who aspires to be a strong man president like Putin and Kim Jung-Un.

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Jul 16, 2022 17:58:04   #
okie don
 
straightUp wrote:
Lindsey Graham spoke at the Faith & Freedom Coalition's Road to Majority Policy Conference yesterday. I could not believe what he said. Here's the quote...

"You know what I liked about Trump? Everybody was afraid of him, including me,"

One thing I've been noticing about the right is how submissive they are. I mean, to prefer to be scared of your own president... that's submissive.

Moments later, Graham went on to say that the Chinese ambassador came to him and complained that his country was "trying to figure out Trump". Graham responded with, "Take a number and get in line." The comment apparently drew laughter from the audience.

So, not only does Graham prefer to be afraid of his president, he thinks it's even better if no one can figure him out. That just seems really stupid to me and the fact that the people in the Faith & Freedom Coalition found humor in that statement is unsettling.

Personally, I would prefer a president that is very well understood. For one, the United States is arguably the most powerful country on earth. A president that leverages that power in a straight forward manner will accomplish a lot more than a silly trickster that leaves everyone scratching their heads.

Apparently, there's some weird thing were people think the advantage to a president no one can figure out is that he can always stay one step ahead. But.. ahead of what? Do they think it's the president's job to play games?

It seems to me that what Lindsey Graham and his audience at the Faith & Freedom Coalition are more focused on is praise for Trump above all else, even to the point of praising his shiftiness. That's not a call for a president, that's a call for a dictator. And nothing confirms that more than a preference for being afraid of your own leader.

https://www.newsweek.com/lindsey-graham-praises-trump-making-everybody-afraid-1717004
Lindsey Graham spoke at the Faith & Freedom Co... (show quote)


" Speak softly and carry a big stick"đŸ˜‰

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Jul 16, 2022 18:08:31   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
The world is changing. It is the right who are forcing a regressive agenda.

Soon the liberty of people who desire same sex marriages and those who want to use contraception will be debated. This is radical agenda.


And it is Donny who aspires to be a strong man president like Putin and Kim Jung-Un.


You are repeating nonsense that has been debunked. Contraception is not in danger. Neither is same sex unions. Same sex 'marriage' does not exist. It is like saying a vegan ribeye steak. No such thing, regardless of the name hijacking. Trump wants no such thing. Never has. You continue to repeat DNC talking points with no reality behind them. Will you ever get tired of doing so? Probably not. It is your claim to fame.

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Jul 16, 2022 18:35:54   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
RandyBrian wrote:
You are repeating nonsense that has been debunked. Contraception is not in danger. Neither is same sex unions. Same sex 'marriage' does not exist. It is like saying a vegan ribeye steak. No such thing, regardless of the name hijacking. Trump wants no such thing. Never has. You continue to repeat DNC talking points with no reality behind them. Will you ever get tired of doing so? Probably not. It is your claim to fame.

I did not say it was on Trumps agenda.

Those two items are becoming republican candidates’ campaign promises.

After the mid term sweep control will start to be applied at the state level.

States rights on steroids.

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Jul 16, 2022 18:51:51   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
I did not say it was on Trumps agenda.

Those two items are becoming republican candidates’ campaign promises.

After the mid term sweep control will start to be applied at the state level.

States rights on steroids.


I was not clear enough. When I said Trump wants no such thing, I was specifically referring to your bizarre comment that Trump wants/wanted to be a strong man president.
On the other issues, please give me examples of where: "Those two items (contraception and same sex marriage) are becoming republican candidates’ campaign promises."
I will even settle for one of each.
Your other comment was: "After the mid term sweep control will start to be applied at the state level. States rights on steroids.
Hopefully. The states will hopefully start getting their, and their people's, rights returned to them. Not much could be better for the USA and American citizens than political power being removed from the Washington DC bureaucracy (where it should have never been) and returned to the states (where it was always intended to be). That is where the control is supposed to be, where the people can keep a closer eye on their representatives. The states will STILL be accountable to and must abide by the Constitution of the United States. Something DC is getting further and further away from.

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Jul 16, 2022 19:17:55   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
RandyBrian wrote:
I was not clear enough. When I said Trump wants no such thing, I was specifically referring to your bizarre comment that Trump wants/wanted to be a strong man president.
On the other issues, please give me examples of where: "Those two items (contraception and same sex marriage) are becoming republican candidates’ campaign promises."
I will even settle for one of each.
Your other comment was: "After the mid term sweep control will start to be applied at the state level. States rights on steroids.
Hopefully. The states will hopefully start getting their, and their people's, rights returned to them. Not much could be better for the USA and American citizens than political power being removed from the Washington DC bureaucracy (where it should have never been) and returned to the states (where it was always intended to be). That is where the control is supposed to be, where the people can keep a closer eye on their representatives. The states will STILL be accountable to and must abide by the Constitution of the United States. Something DC is getting further and further away from.
I was not clear enough. When I said Trump wants n... (show quote)

If you want to know which republicans are making these comments and what is actually going on you need MSM

Here is a same sex search. Do the same for contraception, if you dare.



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Jul 16, 2022 19:20:40   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
RandyBrian wrote:
All people ARE inherently selfish and self centered and have a strong leaning towards cruelty. Kindness, courtesy, thoughtfulness, and both sympathy and empathy for others are all traits that must be TAUGHT and learned. Some cultures, such as the Judeo-Christian culture America is primarily based on, strives to teach these things to our children. Many other cultures do not.

The only people who honestly think all people are inherently "selfish and self-centered" (pst, they mean the same thing) are the Christians and that's because they're stuck with a narrative that was designed to make them more easily controlled by the church. It goes back the that whole "if you don't do what we tell you, you will burn in hell foreveeerrrr!"

It also enforces the false impression that the only good people in the world are Christians

RandyBrian wrote:

Having said that, you guys are putting a lot of emphasis and extrapolating a lot of conclusions from a few sentences in a speech by Senator Graham.

Read the title again... It says more indications that he right wants a dictator. I didn't actually say they do I said there are indications that they do. You people are always so reactive when you read my posts that wind up missing my point almost all the time. I was simply pointing out what one person said and how a crowd reacted. You might think it's an inconsequential remark but it's going to raise eyebrows on the left because no one on the left would say anything like... it's just not in our mindset. We are not a people psychologically beaten into submission by a religious and overbearing narrative.

RandyBrian wrote:

President Trump has never been crazy. I did not and do not fear him, and I don't think anyone else does either.

I never suggested Trump was crazy either... Maybe you were picking up on some other comments that suggested it would be an advantage if people thought he was.

RandyBrian wrote:

What he WAS, is unpredictable in a political sense. He could not be trusted to bow to pressure from other politicians or groups, like most politicians.

Yes, he could - and he was. You just have to talk money. Ask the NRA or the America First PAC or for that matter any of the donors that that added up to millions put toward electing Trump.

But what being unpredictable also meant was that our allies started to distrust us and our federal government under Trump wound up being he most dysfunctional administration we have ever seen. It weakened the American resolve.

RandyBrian wrote:

His opponents, in Congress or among the world leaders, were never quite sure how he would react. And yes, IMO this is a good thing.

I struggle to understand how you would think so. Name one thing that a POTUS can do by being unpredictable that he couldn't do as a well-understood leader of the world's predominate super-power.

Seriously, name one damned thing. I bet you can't.

RandyBrian wrote:

His priority was keeping his campaign promises and striving to get America back on it's feet again. Yes, he was and is blunt and abrasive.

America was already on it's feet again - Obama already took care of that. All Trump had to do is not screw it up which he did anyway and the fact that he has no tact or manners and he talks like a retard matters less to me than the actions he has taken, all of which put working Americans at a disadvantage.

RandyBrian wrote:

But
all the accusations leveled against Trump over the last seven years are made up lies or exaggerations. He has NOT lied 40,000+ times. He is NOT a con man. He is NOT racist. He is NOT crazy. He is NOT corrupt. He is NOT and never was authoritarian or trying to be a dictator, and not a single one of you on the left have EVER presented a single solid credible item of evidence that Trump was/is any of these things you have accused him of being.

Dude, the evidence is ALL OVER the place. Yes, he did all those things. You're just in denial. I don't even know why you people continue to act like none of it happened. Obviously none of that matters to you as much as your loyalty to your political messiah, so why not just admit and say you don't care? The truth will set you free.

RandyBrian wrote:

Donald Trump's presidency will INDEED be studied and reviewed by psychologists for the next 200 years. But not in the way you think. This time in our history will be analysed endlessly in an attempt to understand HOW a once respected political party could have become SO radicalized that it would embrace constant lies, exaggerations, and two pathetic and false impeachments to destroy a political enemy.

Nah, I don't think so. Here's why. The ONLY people who actually believe your BS are the Trump followers themselves (which is typical of personality cults) That cult has always hovered around 38% of the American people. On a global scale where Americans make up about 5% of the world population that amounts to roughly about 2%. So if history is going to treat Trump kindly, he really needs to win in 2024 so he can implement the censorship needed to rewrite history in his favor. Even then, it won't be the history taught in other countries.

RandyBrian wrote:

They will scratch their heads about how America allowed the News media to become so one sided and corrupt that they would throw away their traditional role and embrace one political side against the other, and embrace lies and distortions as standard daily fare. So much so that the American population came to completely distrust anything they say.

The American public will continue to trust their own sources in the media and the narrative that the entire free-press industry bridled themselves into some kind of agency for a political spat against one measly guy will be catalogued along with the rest of the hoaxes and ridiculous conspiracy theories.

RandyBrian wrote:

The psychologists will write endless papers on how the low-information voters were led by the nose by the DNC and MSM to hate and revile a President who in no way deserved such scorn.

In you dreams buddy - LOL

I'm not even a Democrat and I a certainly didn't need to get my lead from the DNC. Anyone who doesn't have their heads up their ass can see Trump for what he is.

RandyBrian wrote:

But mostly, the medical professionals of the future will be shocked, dismayed, and fail to EVER fully understand how SO MANY bright and intelligent and well educated people, not the low information or the uneducated, so willingly engulfed themselves into the dark and violent abyss of Trump hatred.

Statistics show that Trump supporters are the the lowest educated of all the voting blocks. So, yeah that leaves a LOT of smart people on the other side and trust me... It's no mystery to them how they arrived at their conclusions about Trump.

RandyBrian wrote:

How people that really SHOULD have known better, angrily and spitefully condemned not only Trump, but most of his supporters, all fellow Americans, as being unpatriotic and seeking to not only turn America to over to tyranny, but actually believed that Trump supporters tried to 'overthrow' our nation for Trump.

We go by evidence and when the evidence shows someone shitting on our Constitution and fleecing our republic then yeah, it reason enough to condemn the POS. As for his followers, well - that's just sad. It's a shame that our democracy can be influenced by such a mindless cult of idiots.

I'm sorry but in 2016 I gave Trump supporters a lot of leeway because I figures he's new on the scene but today, I can find no excuse. If you're still trying defend Trump after all the crap he obviously got caught doing the you just aren't paying attention to reality.

RandyBrian wrote:

Yes, many hundreds of books will be written trying to explain this dark period in America.

Ah... we agree on something. ;)

RandyBrian wrote:

I wonder if any of them will ever hit on the truth? Or will they just scratch their heads and decide that liberalism really IS a highly contagious disease, and will quickly infect and spread and depress the victim's ability to be reasonable, objective, just, or fair? Along with their ability to think and critically evaluate evidence and facts?

If ANY of you had the slightest idea of what critical thinking actually is, instead of just hearing it from liberals and throwing it back at 'em, you would be able to use it and see for yourself that liberalism is what MADE America.

That won't happen though because your a religious man and religion has always opposed the teaching of critical thought because it leads people to question their authority.

RandyBrian wrote:

That they enthusiastically embraced hatred and deceit and lies and false propaganda and fake news because, after all, the end justifies the means.

You're still projecting.

RandyBrian wrote:

These questions will be addressed endlessly, but I doubt they will ever see the real reasons for the Democrat party's rapid fall into a pit void of truth or integrity or morality. Or ever really understand how people like you could have ever embraced such depravity and dishonor.

I can't speak for the Democratic Party but for me personally, it is above everything else, my morality that puts me at odds with the most vile and president we have ever had.

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Jul 16, 2022 19:31:12   #
Judson
 
I want some one alined with the Constitution of the United States.

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Jul 16, 2022 19:32:37   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
son of witless wrote:
" 2) What left-wing agenda has been forced down anyone's throat? "

Why do you ask questions, that you know the answer to ?????????????????

But to give you an answer. The importation of millions of desperately poor people through illegal immigration. The imposition of a brain dead Global Warming-Wind and Solar policy that everyone with a brain knows does not work.

The defund the Police, let criminals out of jail policy. The anti Second Amendment policy. The tax and spend Bankrupt Amerika high inflation Agenda.

The anti Woman Transvestite agenda. I could go on and on and on and on, but illuminating the " left-wing agenda " is tiresome.
" 2) What left-wing agenda has been forced ... (show quote)

What's tiresome is every single time you people get outvoted you turn into petulant children and scream about having things rammed down your throat. It's a democracy witless... You only get what you want if the majority agrees with you and if they don't then you loose. This is how democracy works.

If you don't like it then maybe you DO want a dictator instead.

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Jul 16, 2022 19:40:14   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
RandyBrian wrote:
Devoid of intelligence. A senator says an off hand comment that he is 'afraid' of Trump, and from that you claim he wants Trump to be his 'dictator'. Then you extrapolate that all, or most, Trump supporters must want to make Trump a dictator, and Trump really wanted to be one.
This is an excellent example of what one of my engineering professors called 'Well educated idiocy'. What he was referring to is when supposedly smart people pick and choose which facts they want to believe, and assembling a conclusion giving priority to the things they take on faith.
When engineers use such logic and reasoning, the result is collapsed bridges, failing buildings, and circuits that fry. I doubt seriously if you would have passed the course.
Devoid of intelligence. A senator says an off han... (show quote)

You just can't get anything right. But at least now I know that you're a religious fanatic so I won't be wasting my time arguing with you. Have a nice evening.

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