American Vet

You blather a lot - but you still have not given a precise definition/description of an 'assault weapon'.

Smedley_buzkill

The shooter was outside the building for at least ten minutes shooting before he made uncontested entry. There was NO "School Resource Officer" who tried to engage him. No one, in TEN DAMN MINUTES even bothered to lock the effing doors. Once the cops finally got there, they stood around with their heads up their asses for an hour while kids were being shot, and wounded kids needed medical attention. They had no problem tazing and arresting frantic parents who were demanding they effect an entry. That's a lot safer.
You think you have all the answers. So tell me, given the incompetence of the response, what difference would it have made whether he had an M243 or a single shot hunting rifle? He had all the time in the world. I guess you were too busy jumping up on your Chattauqua Stump to proselytize to bother with actual facts; since they might interfere with your diatribe.

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

You have incorrect facts, surfer boy. First of all, Uvalde had 4 school assigned officers for 8 schools and there was not one at Robb Elementary the day of the event. Second, this 18 year old with a "clean" records actually was arrested 4 years ago after making statements he was going to shoot up a school in 2022. He was incarcerated and treated by Phychiatrists, but he was not on the FBI list so he passed his back ground check. This is the same rabbit hole we have had before. Why aren't these folks with violent mental problems put on the list? I. can't wait to hear your answer. You might also be in line for the "Beto O'Rourke SOB Award".

straightUp Loc: California

Actually I did, abundantly. But when you automatically label everything an opponent says as "blather" it precludes you from understanding anything they say. That's how conservative sheep remain as ignorant as they are. Useful idiots for the lobbies that control the Republican Party.

I'm pretty much done here... I wasn't expecting much intelligence and I certainly didn't find it. I WAS expecting the same battery of NRA-canned talking points that I've been hearing for 30 years all regurgitated with the same vigor as if mentioned for the very first time...

My favorites are.

- guns don't kill - people do.
- you don't know the difference between a magazine and a clip
- define assault weapon
- define high capacity
- gun control laws only "punish" law-abiding citizens, because criminals don't care about laws.
- the killer would have killed those people even if he didn't have an assault weapon (someone here even suggested the teenager could have flown a plane into the school) LOL
- Oh, and this one... how dare you politicize the death of all those children (as if you give really give a sh-t)

And of course there is always the constant appeal to authority where the chest beating about the intimate knowledge of guns is posed as some kind of qualification that overrules anything an opponent might say.

The bottom line is your culture has a gun fetish that is so obsessive it really doesn't matter to you if children are killed because of it.

What makes that obvious is how you automatically refuse to consider the possibility that laws restricting access to excessive kill capacity would have ANY benefit and immediately reach for that can of NRA talking points and the fact that your culture isn't bothered by the suggestion of psychological profiles or arming teachers or anything else that doesn't involving restrictions on what kind of guns you can buy.

I don't think you have the slightest clue how transparent all of this is to anyone with a clear head.

Have a nice day fruitcake.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Talk about a fruitcake!!!!

Rose42

Its abundantly clear you confuse your opinion with truth (as we all do at times), have a superficial knowledge of protection (not uncommon) and you are also transparent with the same talking points in the guise of pretending you care more for children.

The posturing from both extremes is pretty tiresome

straightUp Loc: California

Alright, one more response, then I'm done with this BS.

More than a few times on this thread alone, the suggestion was made that we should better enforce the gun control laws that we already have and it amazes me that you aren't learning the bigger lesson here. They don't work! You just presented the case to prove it.

The kid was arrested after making statements that he was going to shoot up a school in 2022 and yet Texas laws STILL allowed him to buy the guns to kill 21 people. Talk about a failure!

So here's my answer to your question...

These folks in Texas with violent mental problems aren't put on the list because there is no list. Not in any real sense and that's because it's simply too expensive. States like Texas will suggest psychological profiles as a political gesture to fake concern - they might even legislate it but they aren't actually going to pay for it. As I've already mentioned, psychology is expensive and it's ridiculous to think a government can profile every potential killer. Even if they could - who would want to live in a country where everyone is profiled?

By contrast, pulling products from the market is easy and relatively cheap to do. Governments do it all the time with drugs, imports and anything else that doesn't interfere with the small arms business and it's cash cow, the American gun fetish. Not only that but you don't have to rely on expensive psychological predictions that no one wants to pay for to have any real effect.

Will the banning of high capacity weapon categories on the market stop all the violence? Of course not. But countries all across the developed world have a proven track record that it DOES scale the problem down significantly. Incidentally, almost all of these other developed nations DO allow citizens to own guns with appropriate licensing.

So there's the policy that is proven to work to a significant degree (without interfering with the right to bear arms) and there is the policy that really doesn't work at all and the ONLY reason why Texas opted for the policy that doesn't work at all is because it doesn't matter to them if ANYTHING works as long as they can indulge in their fetish.

American Vet

No, you did not.

The closest you came that I saw in your post was this: if the gun in your hand is designed to kill as many people as possible in the shortest time possible.

That is hardly a precise definition.

So rather than blather some more - give a precise definition of what makes a rifle an "assault weapon". If you can't do that, then your comments are "blather".

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

At the age of 14 this kid declared that he was going to shoot up a school when he turned 18. He was evaluated and apparently treated for mental disease and released. His recoord was seals and thus when he was background checked, this didn't come up and he was allowed to buy his guns.

I agree then, if there is a law to seal the records of a mentally ill person and their history of declaring the intent of shooting up a school, then the law makers are at fault. Had that not been sealed, he would not have been sold the guns.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

For some reason his record was sealed and thus not available when the back ground check was performed.

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

The reason these people are not reported is because of the HIPPA law, not anything the State of Texas did or did not do. HIPPA was partially due to the efforts of then senator Hillary Clinton. You have a real problem with facts, don't you.

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

HIPPA is Federal Law.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

True but I am pretty sure that the FBI can over ride HIPPA.

Fab

Where were the coward police? It’s sad when an off duty Border patrol officer went into the school after a text from his wife to save his daughter and shoot the gunman, from what I read, the police were being fired at and wouldn’t enter the room. Mental illness perhaps but not according to his mother, he was a good boy! Clueless parent!

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

True, with a court order. This needs to be changed.