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A Thought-Provoking Conversation With a Knowledgeable Owner of AR-15s and Other 'Scary Guns'
May 27, 2022 06:35:15   #
NotBrainwashed
 
You think that the junk the media spits out for the kids has anything to do with this?

Crazy violent video games
Crazy violent TV shows
Crazy violent movies
Crazy violent "music" lyrics

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/05/26/a-thought-provoking-conversation-with-a-knowledgeable-owner-of-ar-15s-and-other-scary-guns-n570234?utm_source=rsafternoonbriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=e8f369aa83def49a44ffcbc196ec00b0

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As pundits across America continued to trip over one another, rushing to write article after article about the horrific Texas elementary school shooting, I held back. So much to think about, so much to say. Yet, maybe not enough. Toss in the redundancy and “solutions” from pundits and politicians alike? Call it what you want, from political expediency to writing for clicks. I’ve never been interested in either.

So, I decided to wait. Until Wednesday night, that is, after I had a thought-provoking conversation over dinner with a good friend, who also happens to be a smart-as-hell guy, a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, and a law-abiding gun owner who is extremely knowledgable about firearms of all kinds— many of which he owns and has a clear purpose for why he owns the guns he owns.

Anyway, my friend — let’s call him “Al” — shared with me his strong opinions on actions he believes should be taken and changes he thinks should be made after yet another unconscionable mass murder by an out-of-control madman. Not among those actions and changes, as you might assume, is further restricting the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding gun owners. “Evil finds a way,” said Al:

As awful as it sounds, Al was right.

Conservatives know that. Perhaps some liberals know it, as well — but even if they do, the gun grabbers seemingly cannot wait to capitalize on tragedy as they arrogantly and ignorantly call for stricter gun legislation.

So what do we do? What do Second Amendment advocates do; beyond repeating what we always repeat, much of which I’ve said in this op-ed regarding Second Amendment rights? Given the impossibility of having an intelligent, fact-based dialogue with the left about “solutions” to mass shootings, we must take the lead and offer our own solutions — beyond “just” the Second Amendment argument.

Certainly, improving the detection, monitoring, and adequate response(s) to people who appear to be troubled — particularly, young men, statistically — who clearly should not have the ability to purchase firearms. Clearly, people who make dark or menacing comments on social media should not only be flagged; they should be promptly contacted by authorities. Also clearly, there are those among us who should not be allowed to move freely in public without supervision. I know; easy to say, hard to implement. But we must do better.

My friend Al also talked at length — as I and others have, as well — about hardening access to our schools. All doors must be fortified and deadbolted. Armed guards must be posted at the main entrance, in supervision and control of entrance and egress. Operable security cameras must be placed around the building(s) and monitored at all times. The list goes on, as it should.

To me, this is no-brainer stuff and must be viewed, if nothing else, for now, as a last-resort stopping of evil in its tracks before evil does evil things, while we continue the same ol’, same ol’ arguments.

As Al asked me, rhetorically: “Is it more important to have armed guards at banks — when the money they protect isn’t even that of depositors — those funds are guaranteed by the federal government — than protecting our children when we cannot?

Finally, at one point, Al again looked me in the eye and said:

Michael, I don’t love guns; I love my family and I love our freedom. Don’t get me wrong. I like my collection, but I’ll be damned if I’ll make it easy for anyone to take my loved ones or my freedom away from me.

Amen.

Incidentally, you ever notice that many of the liberals who rush to TV cameras to exploit the death of children while calling for a ban on “assault rifles” or “weapons of war” also support the murder of unborn children — right until birth? Me, too.

We must do better.

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May 27, 2022 06:45:04   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
NotBrainwashed wrote:
You think that the junk the media spits out for the kids has anything to do with this?

Crazy violent video games
Crazy violent TV shows
Crazy violent movies
Crazy violent "music" lyrics

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/05/26/a-thought-provoking-conversation-with-a-knowledgeable-owner-of-ar-15s-and-other-scary-guns-n570234?utm_source=rsafternoonbriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=e8f369aa83def49a44ffcbc196ec00b0

Text

As pundits across America continued to trip over one another, rushing to write article after article about the horrific Texas elementary school shooting, I held back. So much to think about, so much to say. Yet, maybe not enough. Toss in the redundancy and “solutions” from pundits and politicians alike? Call it what you want, from political expediency to writing for clicks. I’ve never been interested in either.

So, I decided to wait. Until Wednesday night, that is, after I had a thought-provoking conversation over dinner with a good friend, who also happens to be a smart-as-hell guy, a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, and a law-abiding gun owner who is extremely knowledgable about firearms of all kinds— many of which he owns and has a clear purpose for why he owns the guns he owns.

Anyway, my friend — let’s call him “Al” — shared with me his strong opinions on actions he believes should be taken and changes he thinks should be made after yet another unconscionable mass murder by an out-of-control madman. Not among those actions and changes, as you might assume, is further restricting the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding gun owners. “Evil finds a way,” said Al:

As awful as it sounds, Al was right.

Conservatives know that. Perhaps some liberals know it, as well — but even if they do, the gun grabbers seemingly cannot wait to capitalize on tragedy as they arrogantly and ignorantly call for stricter gun legislation.

So what do we do? What do Second Amendment advocates do; beyond repeating what we always repeat, much of which I’ve said in this op-ed regarding Second Amendment rights? Given the impossibility of having an intelligent, fact-based dialogue with the left about “solutions” to mass shootings, we must take the lead and offer our own solutions — beyond “just” the Second Amendment argument.

Certainly, improving the detection, monitoring, and adequate response(s) to people who appear to be troubled — particularly, young men, statistically — who clearly should not have the ability to purchase firearms. Clearly, people who make dark or menacing comments on social media should not only be flagged; they should be promptly contacted by authorities. Also clearly, there are those among us who should not be allowed to move freely in public without supervision. I know; easy to say, hard to implement. But we must do better.

My friend Al also talked at length — as I and others have, as well — about hardening access to our schools. All doors must be fortified and deadbolted. Armed guards must be posted at the main entrance, in supervision and control of entrance and egress. Operable security cameras must be placed around the building(s) and monitored at all times. The list goes on, as it should.

To me, this is no-brainer stuff and must be viewed, if nothing else, for now, as a last-resort stopping of evil in its tracks before evil does evil things, while we continue the same ol’, same ol’ arguments.

As Al asked me, rhetorically: “Is it more important to have armed guards at banks — when the money they protect isn’t even that of depositors — those funds are guaranteed by the federal government — than protecting our children when we cannot?

Finally, at one point, Al again looked me in the eye and said:

Michael, I don’t love guns; I love my family and I love our freedom. Don’t get me wrong. I like my collection, but I’ll be damned if I’ll make it easy for anyone to take my loved ones or my freedom away from me.

Amen.

Incidentally, you ever notice that many of the liberals who rush to TV cameras to exploit the death of children while calling for a ban on “assault rifles” or “weapons of war” also support the murder of unborn children — right until birth? Me, too.

We must do better.
You think that the junk the media spits out for th... (show quote)


Your friend Al raises some good points. I don't think guards at every school is economically feasible. Yes, all the entrances should be hardened, locked all the time until dismissal. In my community, you have to be "buzzed" into the school (unless you're an employee of the school). These rifles don't kill, unbalanced people kill. I do think that maybe the age should be raised to allow purchase of them, maybe 25? Is it necessary to have high capacity clips for these weapons? Like I said, Al raises some good points.

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May 27, 2022 07:36:26   #
Weewillynobeerspilly Loc: North central Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Your friend Al raises some good points. I don't think guards at every school is economically feasible. Yes, all the entrances should be hardened, locked all the time until dismissal. In my community, you have to be "buzzed" into the school (unless you're an employee of the school). These rifles don't kill, unbalanced people kill. I do think that maybe the age should be raised to allow purchase of them, maybe 25? Is it necessary to have high capacity clips for these weapons? Like I said, Al raises some good points.
Your friend Al raises some good points. I don't th... (show quote)





Keep it up and before you know it you'll be a republican

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May 27, 2022 07:50:26   #
NotBrainwashed
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Your friend Al raises some good points. I don't think guards at every school is economically feasible. Yes, all the entrances should be hardened, locked all the time until dismissal. In my community, you have to be "buzzed" into the school (unless you're an employee of the school). These rifles don't kill, unbalanced people kill. I do think that maybe the age should be raised to allow purchase of them, maybe 25? Is it necessary to have high capacity clips for these weapons? Like I said, Al raises some good points.
Your friend Al raises some good points. I don't th... (show quote)


It's difficult if not impossible to legislate against crazy.

Today's "society" has normalized violence so much that kids don't think it's as evil as it really is.

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May 27, 2022 08:05:41   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
Keep it up and before you know it you'll be a republican


Try putting a "high capacity clip" into an AR 15. Nothing will happen. I'm pretty sure you know that with just a little practice, anyone can change out a magazine in about three or four seconds. It's not a highly complex skill. What difference does magazine size make when all but a couple of these mass shootings have happened in gun free zones where there was no one who could shoot back? In Uvalde, the shooter was outside the school shooting for about ten minutes before he walked in, unchallenged. Once in, he began shooting. When the cops finally got there they stood around with their thumbs up their asses for close to an hour, waiting on a SWAT team to show up. Meanwhile, there were kids inside being shot. At least one died that could have been saved had the cops effected entry. How would banning anything or "controlling" anything have solved the problem of incompetent, clueless cops who couldn't be bothered to go after a shooter because they were too busy arresting the parents of the kids who were being murdered? The story has changed drastically since yesterday.

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May 27, 2022 08:11:30   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
NotBrainwashed wrote:
You think that the junk the media spits out for the kids has anything to do with this?

Crazy violent video games
Crazy violent TV shows
Crazy violent movies
Crazy violent "music" lyrics

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/05/26/a-thought-provoking-conversation-with-a-knowledgeable-owner-of-ar-15s-and-other-scary-guns-n570234?utm_source=rsafternoonbriefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&bcid=e8f369aa83def49a44ffcbc196ec00b0

Text

As pundits across America continued to trip over one another, rushing to write article after article about the horrific Texas elementary school shooting, I held back. So much to think about, so much to say. Yet, maybe not enough. Toss in the redundancy and “solutions” from pundits and politicians alike? Call it what you want, from political expediency to writing for clicks. I’ve never been interested in either.

So, I decided to wait. Until Wednesday night, that is, after I had a thought-provoking conversation over dinner with a good friend, who also happens to be a smart-as-hell guy, a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment, and a law-abiding gun owner who is extremely knowledgable about firearms of all kinds— many of which he owns and has a clear purpose for why he owns the guns he owns.

Anyway, my friend — let’s call him “Al” — shared with me his strong opinions on actions he believes should be taken and changes he thinks should be made after yet another unconscionable mass murder by an out-of-control madman. Not among those actions and changes, as you might assume, is further restricting the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding gun owners. “Evil finds a way,” said Al:

As awful as it sounds, Al was right.

Conservatives know that. Perhaps some liberals know it, as well — but even if they do, the gun grabbers seemingly cannot wait to capitalize on tragedy as they arrogantly and ignorantly call for stricter gun legislation.

So what do we do? What do Second Amendment advocates do; beyond repeating what we always repeat, much of which I’ve said in this op-ed regarding Second Amendment rights? Given the impossibility of having an intelligent, fact-based dialogue with the left about “solutions” to mass shootings, we must take the lead and offer our own solutions — beyond “just” the Second Amendment argument.

Certainly, improving the detection, monitoring, and adequate response(s) to people who appear to be troubled — particularly, young men, statistically — who clearly should not have the ability to purchase firearms. Clearly, people who make dark or menacing comments on social media should not only be flagged; they should be promptly contacted by authorities. Also clearly, there are those among us who should not be allowed to move freely in public without supervision. I know; easy to say, hard to implement. But we must do better.

My friend Al also talked at length — as I and others have, as well — about hardening access to our schools. All doors must be fortified and deadbolted. Armed guards must be posted at the main entrance, in supervision and control of entrance and egress. Operable security cameras must be placed around the building(s) and monitored at all times. The list goes on, as it should.

To me, this is no-brainer stuff and must be viewed, if nothing else, for now, as a last-resort stopping of evil in its tracks before evil does evil things, while we continue the same ol’, same ol’ arguments.

As Al asked me, rhetorically: “Is it more important to have armed guards at banks — when the money they protect isn’t even that of depositors — those funds are guaranteed by the federal government — than protecting our children when we cannot?

Finally, at one point, Al again looked me in the eye and said:

Michael, I don’t love guns; I love my family and I love our freedom. Don’t get me wrong. I like my collection, but I’ll be damned if I’ll make it easy for anyone to take my loved ones or my freedom away from me.

Amen.

Incidentally, you ever notice that many of the liberals who rush to TV cameras to exploit the death of children while calling for a ban on “assault rifles” or “weapons of war” also support the murder of unborn children — right until birth? Me, too.

We must do better.
You think that the junk the media spits out for th... (show quote)


New facts have come to light about the shooting. The shooter was outside the building shooting for about ten minutes before he entered unchallenged. The story that he was engaged by a school resource officer who was wounded is bullshit. There was no officer. When the cops finally got there they stood around with their thumbs up their asses for an hour while kids were being murdered and wounded children, at least one of whom died who could have been saved. They were purely mortal hell on tazing and arresting frantic parents of the kids being murdered, however.
The citizens of Uvalde should demand action and answers. They should, en masse, refuse to pay any and all fines levied by these incompetent dipsticks. They should plead not guilty for every parking violation and every chickenshit citation issued by the cops, and demand a jury trial for every speeding ticket.
Protect and Serve, my ass.

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May 27, 2022 11:06:41   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
Weewillynobeerspilly wrote:
Keep it up and before you know it you'll be a republican


I don't know what I am except old. Nice to hear from you willy.

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May 28, 2022 16:59:50   #
Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Your friend Al raises some good points. I don't think guards at every school is economically feasible. Yes, all the entrances should be hardened, locked all the time until dismissal. In my community, you have to be "buzzed" into the school (unless you're an employee of the school). These rifles don't kill, unbalanced people kill. I do think that maybe the age should be raised to allow purchase of them, maybe 25? Is it necessary to have high capacity clips for these weapons? Like I said, Al raises some good points.
Your friend Al raises some good points. I don't th... (show quote)


Tiptop, There are some things you need to know before you start talking about guns, clips, and magazines. Smedley is correct, the AR 15 will NOT take a clip, it uses a magazine. There is a gun that uses a 'clip' and that is the M1 Garand. There may be more that I don't know about. I think someone explained to you the difference between a rifle and an 'assault weapon' in another thread. The point is, if you're going to talk about these things, you should study up and be more knowledgeable about the subject.

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