If Roe vs Wade overturned.. (Page 8): Because they disagree with you, they're assholes? I suggest you look in the mirror. I also suggest you do a little research and see what this case...

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:

Being intentionally thick is a decent tactic when you've got nothing to contribute.

Kavanaugh, alito, gorsuch, Thomas, all are assholes who think they should have control over women's bodies.

I missed at least one... roberts?

Oh yes, edit to add the handmaid Amy

Because they disagree with you, they're assholes? I suggest you look in the mirror. I also suggest you do a little research and see what this case is really about. Overturning Roe v. Wade won't outlaw abortions, unfortunately, it just puts the law in states jurisdictions as it should be. No where in the Constitution (Federal Law) does it say a woman, or anyone else for that matter has the right to terminate a life. If you believe the fetus is a human life., as I do, then the right to life, liberty, happiness, extends to the unborn. Your side always says, go with the science. will science has now proven that fetus's feel pain and other stimuli much earlier than previously believed. How come the science doesn't matter in this case?

Big Bass

microphor wrote:

There is something wrong with your brain. You make no sense!

Brain? What brain??

Owl32 Loc: ARK

proud republican wrote:

Your ewes will be rooting in protest if it really happens...

It is not a RIGHT to destroy a LIFE. The time for a woman to make her decision is before she has unprotected intercourse not after when she discovers she is pregnant for then it becomes a choice between HATE and LOVE and in this case HATE generally wins. Sorry State of Affairs for LOVE should always win in cases where LIFE is involved.

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

JFlorio wrote:

The Supreme Court decision was a flawed law and decision in the first place. This is a states rights issue period.

So now I'm curious: how is it a states rights issue? I get the argument that right not enumerated in the constitution are left to the states and the people. But what in any state's constitution gives the state government the right to ban abortions? If the feds don't have a right to weigh in, where does the state get a right to weigh in? Why isn't this one of the rights delegated to 'the people'?

federally indicted mattoid

working class stiff wrote:

So now I'm curious: how is it a states rights issue? I get the argument that right not enumerated in the constitution are left to the states and the people. But what in any state's constitution gives the state government the right to ban abortions? If the feds don't have a right to weigh in, where does the state get a right to weigh in? Why isn't this one of the rights delegated to 'the people'?

They don't like "people" making decisions for themselves.

They're into a more authoritarian type of government.

That's my take on the rwnjs anyway.

Any rwnjs want to chime in and explain how states are authorities over women's bodies?

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

working class stiff wrote:

So now I'm curious: how is it a states rights issue? I get the argument that right not enumerated in the constitution are left to the states and the people. But what in any state's constitution gives the state government the right to ban abortions? If the feds don't have a right to weigh in, where does the state get a right to weigh in? Why isn't this one of the rights delegated to 'the people'?

16 states and the District of Columbia have laws that protect the right to abortion.

-- 4 states and the District of Columbia have codified the right to abortion throughout pregnancy without state interference.
-- 12 states explicitly permit abortion prior to viability or when necessary to protect the life or health of the pregnant person.

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/abortion-policy-absence-roe

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Parky60 wrote:

16 states and the District of Columbia have laws that protect the right to abortion.

-- 4 states and the District of Columbia have codified the right to abortion throughout pregnancy without state interference.
-- 12 states explicitly permit abortion prior to viability or when necessary to protect the life or health of the pregnant person.

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy/explore/abortion-policy-absence-roe

OK....but how does any state come to the right to regulate that issue, either for or against? If the abortion issue isn't enumerated as part of a state's constitution, if we are to be consistent then shouldn't that be a right delegated to the people?

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

working class stiff wrote:

OK....but how does any state come to the right to regulate that issue, either for or against? If the abortion issue isn't enumerated as part of a state's constitution, if we are to be consistent then shouldn't that be a right delegated to the people?

I don't really care to go down your rabbit trail. If you want to know so bad why don't you look it up for yourself?

working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina

Parky60 wrote:

I don't really care to go down your rabbit trail. If you want to know so bad why don't you look it up for yourself?

I have looked for an answer on the internet thingie. It appears an obscure question. OTOH, it seems many on the right assume a state has that right, so I'm thinking there must be an answer. It might be a rabbit hole, but that makes the assumption that a state has that right questionable, no?

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

working class stiff wrote:

So now I'm curious: how is it a states rights issue? I get the argument that right not enumerated in the constitution are left to the states and the people. But what in any state's constitution gives the state government the right to ban abortions? If the feds don't have a right to weigh in, where does the state get a right to weigh in? Why isn't this one of the rights delegated to 'the people'?

But you6ok for 9 unelected judges to decide women's rights, instead of people of the states??

federally indicted mattoid

proud republican wrote:

But you6ok for 9 unelected judges to decide women's rights, instead of people of the states??

I believe it's a "neither, nor" situation.

Only a woman has the right to determine what to do with her body.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:

I believe it's a "neither, nor" situation.

Only a woman has the right to determine what to do with her body.

Let me fill you in on a little something...there's another human being in her body that can't speak for himself/herself that has the inalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that hasn't had the chance to exercise those rights yet.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:

I believe it's a "neither, nor" situation.

Only a woman has the right to determine what to do with her body.

Are you ok with a woman using abortion as a method of birth control??

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

working class stiff wrote:

So now I'm curious: how is it a states rights issue? I get the argument that right not enumerated in the constitution are left to the states and the people. But what in any state's constitution gives the state government the right to ban abortions? If the feds don't have a right to weigh in, where does the state get a right to weigh in? Why isn't this one of the rights delegated to 'the people'?

soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:

They don't like "people" making decisions for themselves.

They're into a more authoritarian type of government.

That's my take on the rwnjs anyway.

Any rwnjs want to chime in and explain how states are authorities over women's bodies?

States do not have authority over anyone's body.

If a woman who doesn't want a baby has the right to kill it, she also has the right to prevent a pregnancy.

What we rwnjs don't like is so-called American citizens who know little or nothing about our nation's founding,
primarily the concept of Federalism.

The Constitution of the United States guarantees and protects the sovereignty of the several states.

The Ninth Amendment warns against drawing any inferences about the scope of the people’s rights from the partial listing of some of them. The Tenth Amendment warns against using a list of rights to infer powers in the national government that were not granted. In referring, respectively, to “rights . . . retained by the people” and “powers . . . reserved . . . to the people,” the Ninth and Tenth Amendments also evoke themes of popular sovereignty, highlighting the foundational role of the people in the constitutional republic.

The Tenth Amendment’s simple language—“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”—emphasizes that the inclusion of a bill of rights does not change the fundamental character of the national government. It remains a government of limited and enumerated powers, so that the first question involving an exercise of federal power is not whether it violates someone’s rights, but whether it exceeds the national government’s enumerated powers.

If that is over your head, maybe this will help.
The population, culture, infrastructure, environment, climate, economics, social issues, and the specific needs of the people living in Florida are quite different than those in Washington state. State governments are far more intimate with the needs of their people and their state than is the federal government.

The obligations of the states are specified in Article IV, US Constitution, and
the restrictions on the states are specified in Article I, Section 10.

federally indicted mattoid

proud republican wrote:

Are you ok with a woman using abortion as a method of birth control??

Oftentimes there is no availability of reliable birth control in poorer sectors of the country. Or they are in abusive relationships that have controlling partners. Unfortunate but true.

It's a last resort for the woman who finds herself in those or other worse positions.

You should read some testimonials on how it saved many women from a fate that was not meant for them.

Women deserve bodily autonomy.