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Apr 23, 2022 11:21:27   #
kemmer
 
keepuphope wrote:
You last word says it all. As you read I used a different word than you did, completely opposite meanings.

My response is the same in both cases.

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Apr 23, 2022 11:49:12   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
kemmer wrote:
OK, what's wrong with God putting everything in motion and then letting all in existence take its own course; to survive and develop or to become extinct?


Don’t you think that is what he did do??? I do~~

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Apr 23, 2022 11:52:49   #
kemmer
 
lindajoy wrote:
Don’t you think that is what he did do??? I do~~

Disregarding the stories of talking snakes in the garden, men living to the age of 900, and a global flood 4000 years ago killing everyone on Earth except 8 "ark" passengers?

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Apr 23, 2022 12:11:40   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
kemmer wrote:
Thank you.

Makes sense that you developed without intelligent design you maroon.

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Apr 23, 2022 12:13:26   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
keepuphope wrote:
You last word says it all. As you read I used a different word than you did, completely opposite meanings.

You have to understand that kemmer's god is SELF!

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Apr 23, 2022 12:56:07   #
kemmer
 
Parky60 wrote:
You have to understand that kemmer's god is SELF!

You have to understand that 500 years ago Parky would be one of those who’d burn at the stake anyone not believing as he does. He hasn’t changed much.

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Apr 23, 2022 13:58:21   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
kemmer wrote:
You have to understand that 500 years ago Parky would be one of those who’d burn at the stake anyone not believing as he does. He hasn’t changed much.

You, my reprobate friend, lie like a rug. It's like breathing for you, eh?

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Apr 23, 2022 14:16:41   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
kemmer wrote:
To all but the intellectually challenged, evolution is an established fact. Of course people are free to believe in their Adam 'n' Eve/Talking Snake stories if it's simple enough for them to grasp, but please don't insult the rest of us by saying those stories are "logical and reasonable".


Evolution, per se, is pretty well established. The theory part lies in the nuts and bolts everyday operation. There has never been a satisfactory explanation, for instance, of the (for lack of a better term) explosion of life in the early Cambrian Period. Life went from one-celled pseudo-plant/animal forms to complex, multi-celled plants and far more complex invertebrate life in what amounts to a geological eyeblink. The likelihood of some things happening absent intervention of some sort is beyond mathematically impossible, yet we are asked to believe that it happened not once but countless vigintillions of times, since if it happened here, odds are that it happened elsewhere in this unthinkably vast universe we live in. The descent of man from a more primitive primate is nothing compared to the complexity of an amphibian becoming a reptile. There are thousands of fossil remains of both amphibians and reptiles and none of any transitional forms. If this was a gradual evolution as is theorized, where are the thousands of transitional remains? Why are they not found in the same number as the established forms, or found at all?
Much of evolutionary "fact" is simply guesswork. There is little doubt that more than six hundred million years ago there was nothing but one-celled plants and perhaps virus type organisms on Earth. All of a sudden, about 550 million years ago, literally out of nowhere, all these complex life forms just.... happened. As I said there is no satisfactory and verifiable explanation for this phenomenon, yet the best guesses of "scientists" are presented as established and proven fact, not theories. The "Great Die Off" of the Ordovician Period was followed by a rapid repopulation during the Silurian Period for which there are no really satisfactory explanations, and the catastrophic extinctions of the Devonian and the rapid recovery during the following Carboniferous Period are categorized by theories masquerading as fact.
Much of Evolutionary Theory taught as fact violates the laws of Thermodynamics stating that left alone, the complex devolves or decays to the more simple. Evolution as theorized either ignores this fact or tries to explain it away by tying the entropic aspects of thermodynamics into granny knots, ignoring the theory of probability.
Evolution as a phenomenon propelled by entropy is like saying a tornado went through a junkyard and by accident, managed to produce an F-16 by pure chance.
If you put the greatest evolutionary "scientists" in the world in the best laboratory, with all the equipment and supplies they could possibly need, do you think they could produce ONE SINGLE ORIGINAL THOUGHT? How about one entoproct? Evolutionary Theory cannot be tested using the Scientific Method yet is presented as established, proven fact. What's up with that?
Belief in Intelligent Design does not equate to belief in an organized religion, mono or polytheistic. Much of Evolutionary Theory could be better explained as a f*cked up experiment that had to be redone by some kind of Intelligence than an act of randomnity.

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Apr 23, 2022 14:38:43   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
kemmer wrote:
Disregarding the stories of talking snakes in the garden, men living to the age of 900, and a global flood 4000 years ago killing everyone on Earth except 8 "ark" passengers?


So one is either an Atheist or a practitioner of some sort of organized religion? You cannot believe in God unless you are a Christian, or Hindu, or Muslim, or Animist or whatever?
As a matter of fact, there is a growing body of evidence that there was severe flooding in the Eastern Mediterranean Basin (the "Holy Land") about ten to twelve thousand years ago, caused not by rain but tectonic activity. It is not hard to see how that would become a worldwide flood in a story-telling society where written language had not yet been invented. (By the way, Creation happening some 6000 years ago is a myth, since the Biblical city of Jericho is considerably older than that.)
People today cannot comprehend how far semi-nomadic hunter/gatherers traveled. The same people who believe fantastic explanations of evolutionary occurrence scoff at the idea that primitive man could and did travel as much as He did. Stories of a flood in different hemispheres are more than likely stories of several events that were embellished over the years. In a pre-literate world, the village story teller was the rock star of his or her day. You add a little glitz to the story to further enthrall your audience. A little plagiarism from a traveling tribe you met somewhere maybe. Like the rock stars of today, it probably got them laid more often.
I personally consider organized religion an attempt to explain the inexplicable. To reduce the actions of an Intelligence far beyond our own to human-comprehendible terms. A worthy pursuit, but I don't know of any organized religion anywhere that is not riddled with corrupt politics of some sort or another. I did not set out to publicize my own religion oriented thinking, so I will pause here to give you lesser mortals time to digest my profound and erudite offerings.

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Apr 23, 2022 14:40:30   #
kemmer
 
Parky60 wrote:
You, my reprobate friend, lie like a rug. It's like breathing for you, eh?

Truth hurts, eh Parky old sod? 😁

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Apr 23, 2022 17:18:31   #
kemmer
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
So one is either an Atheist or a practitioner of some sort of organized religion? You cannot believe in God unless you are a Christian, or Hindu, or Muslim, or Animist or whatever?
As a matter of fact, there is a growing body of evidence that there was severe flooding in the Eastern Mediterranean Basin (the "Holy Land") about ten to twelve thousand years ago, caused not by rain but tectonic activity. It is not hard to see how that would become a worldwide flood in a story-telling society where written language had not yet been invented. (By the way, Creation happening some 6000 years ago is a myth, since the Biblical city of Jericho is considerably older than that.)
People today cannot comprehend how far semi-nomadic hunter/gatherers traveled. The same people who believe fantastic explanations of evolutionary occurrence scoff at the idea that primitive man could and did travel as much as He did. Stories of a flood in different hemispheres are more than likely stories of several events that were embellished over the years. In a pre-literate world, the village story teller was the rock star of his or her day. You add a little glitz to the story to further enthrall your audience. A little plagiarism from a traveling tribe you met somewhere maybe. Like the rock stars of today, it probably got them laid more often.
I personally consider organized religion an attempt to explain the inexplicable. To reduce the actions of an Intelligence far beyond our own to human-comprehendible terms. A worthy pursuit, but I don't know of any organized religion anywhere that is not riddled with corrupt politics of some sort or another. I did not set out to publicize my own religion oriented thinking, so I will pause here to give you lesser mortals time to digest my profound and erudite offerings.
So one is either an Atheist or a practitioner of s... (show quote)

The ancient Hebrews picked up the flood story from the Babylonian Epic of Gilgamesh, and ran with it, adding lots of color and pathos.

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Apr 23, 2022 17:29:27   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Parky60 wrote:
Yes, kemmer did.


He proves it daily.

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Apr 23, 2022 18:29:34   #
martsiva
 
kemmer wrote:
To all but the intellectually challenged, evolution is an established fact. Of course people are free to believe in their Adam 'n' Eve/Talking Snake stories if it's simple enough for them to grasp, but please don't insult the rest of us by saying those stories are "logical and reasonable".


NO - i is not an established fact!! I read a report years ago where Darwin had doubts about this THEORY!!

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Apr 23, 2022 18:36:38   #
martsiva
 
kemmer wrote:
You don’t have to be an atheist to reject the myriads of creation stories different cultures have. I can be a believing Christian without believing the little stories which have developed to explain things our Science is doing a far better job explaining.


NO you can`t since you know NOTHING about Christianity and you reject these 'little stories' that explain many things through Bible study!

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Apr 23, 2022 18:44:31   #
robertv3
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
I'll piss off both sides. I believe they are compatible. Evolution happens, like the changing of the Covid virus we are all now facing. There are compatible species that through time evolved enough so that the can no longer propagate with each other. Evolution exists.

The Big Bang theory is logical and fact. It is proved by the ample and expanding studies of the universe. The creationists say God created the heavens and the sky on the first day. Big Bang. And what is the measure of God's day? Our day? How can it be our day when earth hadn't been created yet. But I believe that he created this big bang and the laws of physics and Chemistry and just allowed it all to happen after that. Or maybe all matter in the Universe just collapsed into the huge black hole that finally exploded from its own energy into a new Universe we are now experiencing. And maybe there might be a trillion other Universes out there somewhere. Did life spontaneously happen here or there on billions of suitable planets throughout the Universe. Who knows? Not any of us. Or did God just say let there be life on that planet and let it evolve into us. All of the various theories are compatible if allowed a liberal look and the facts and assumptions. Live your beliefs and revel in them. No one can prove their beliefs are right and you can't prove they are wrong. The only real question is, who and what created matter, why and how and for what purpose. I call that God and we are all figments of his imagination. The real question is, what is God and who or what created God. And that is absolutely beyond any of us to know or explain.

Logically Right in my own mind. But you are free to your own explanation
I'll piss off both sides. I believe they are compa... (show quote)


I think your explanation is pretty good.

I agree with parts of it. And I could simply leave out any mention of any god.

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