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Apr 9, 2022 12:28:04   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
https://www.rt.com/russia/553599-zelensky-eu-leader-wants-proof-bucha-killings/

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Apr 9, 2022 12:49:07   #
vernon
 
Here you are again trying to defend the evil bastards.

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Apr 9, 2022 12:50:10   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
vernon wrote:
Here you are again trying to defend the evil bastards.


Looking for the truth. You sound like a leftist, vernon!

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Apr 9, 2022 18:16:01   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
https://www.rt.com/russia/553599-zelensky-eu-leader-wants-proof-bucha-killings/


Imagine wanting proof of a war crime..

Especially when the accusations are coming from a proven liar...

The outrage from those following the narrative is palpable...

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Apr 9, 2022 18:16:32   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
vernon wrote:
Here you are again trying to defend the evil bastards.


Yes... Asking for the truth is defending evil...

Interesting world you live in...

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Apr 9, 2022 18:22:57   #
woodguru
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
https://www.rt.com/russia/553599-zelensky-eu-leader-wants-proof-bucha-killings/


No, there are a lot of really brain dead people that are coming around to Russia's misinformation...

Who gives a horse turd about proof when the fact of the matter is Russia has no business being there?

This dialog about did they do it runs right around the fact that they had no reason to being there, so now when we get sick of this and say enough it ends now the debate is supposed to be about whether Russia did it or not?

Russia is indiscriminately bombing and firing rockets, so you think they are being stupidly and randomly fired, or would you credit them with having a certain degree of targeting control on specific civilian targets?

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Apr 9, 2022 20:47:22   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Yes... Asking for the truth is defending evil...

Interesting world you live in...


Very!

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Apr 9, 2022 20:48:46   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
No, there are a lot of really brain dead people that are coming around to Russia's misinformation...

Who gives a horse turd about proof when the fact of the matter is Russia has no business being there?

This dialog about did they do it runs right around the fact that they had no reason to being there, so now when we get sick of this and say enough it ends now the debate is supposed to be about whether Russia did it or not?

Russia is indiscriminately bombing and firing rockets, so you think they are being stupidly and randomly fired, or would you credit them with having a certain degree of targeting control on specific civilian targets?
No, there are a lot of really brain dead people th... (show quote)


Easy to solve the truth problems. Independent, third party investigation, backed by other third party investigators. Why do you object??

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Apr 9, 2022 21:18:54   #
Bevvy
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
https://www.rt.com/russia/553599-zelensky-eu-leader-wants-proof-bucha-killings/


Can you say "Russia started it " ?

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Apr 9, 2022 23:52:47   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Bevvy wrote:
Can you say "Russia started it " ?


No, I can't.

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Apr 10, 2022 00:11:01   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
No, I can't.


Leave the lying to the sheeple

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Apr 10, 2022 09:18:07   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Leave the lying to the sheeple


Unsure what you are saying. I say it started when Ukraine attacked the separatists in the donbas and Crimea. To me, the Russian invasion is simply a response to that and Ukraines refusal to leave those people alone.

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Apr 10, 2022 09:40:40   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Unsure what you are saying. I say it started when Ukraine attacked the separatists in the donbas and Crimea. To me, the Russian invasion is simply a response to that and Ukraines refusal to leave those people alone.


I agree... You're not a sheeple

(Sheeple = Someone who's entire source of knowledge on any given subject is provided by te MSM)

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Apr 10, 2022 15:19:53   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree... You're not a sheeple

(Sheeple = Someone who's entire source of knowledge on any given subject is provided by te MSM)


And they believe it all! Never question!! If it's on the internet or CNN, it's true!!!

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Apr 10, 2022 19:21:59   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I agree... You're not a sheeple

(Sheeple = Someone who's entire source of knowledge on any given subject is provided by te MSM)


Why do you think you have the qualification or knowledge to judge who is or isn’t a sheeple? Just because someone disagrees with your round the clock comments on this invasion by Russia into Ukraine doesn’t make them a sheeple. How would you know if anyone got “ALL” their information from MSM? Actually, most members who discuss this subject state that they get their information from many different sources. LOL!

It is a well known FACT that Russia and China continually use false information and they use social media to spread it! You are the perfect example spending most of your waking hours commenting on this subject, including anti-American/Israel/western democracies…….every single day! Sigh! Don’t you ever get a day off? 😂

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-war-how-russian-propaganda-dominates-chinese-social-media/a-6137538

While Russian propaganda has dominated information about the war in Ukraine on Chinese social media, there have been some efforts by individuals to push back against the propaganda. Wang Jixian, a Chinese programmer living in Odesa, has been uploading daily videos to multiple social media platforms including YouTube, WeChat and Douyin, the Chinese version of TikTok, showing first-hand information in Ukraine to the Chinese-speaking audience.
However, his Chinese social media accounts were subsequently banned last month. "Is my voice so scary to you?" he said in one video uploaded to YouTube on March 18. "If not, why would all the social media accounts under my name be canceled at 3 p.m.? The only way for my parents to contact me has been canceled. Why can't you tolerate one of your citizens? I'm just a programmer, not someone fighting in the war."

Wang told DW that he began to record these videos because he thinks a lot of the heroic acts by the Ukrainian people have been overshadowed. "I think the world needs to see their heroic deeds, but when I search for information about the war in Ukraine on the Chinese internet, most content portrays Ukrainian people as terrorists," he said in a telephone interview.

"I think it's unfair for my Ukrainian friends and neighbors to be stigmatized. I also want to encourage Chinese people to reclaim their ability to think critically. I hope Chinese people can receive information from more perspectives and make their own judgments about the war accordingly," he added.
Additionally, a prominent scholar in Shanghai also published an article that suggested China needed to cut ties with Russia over the Ukraine war, but hours after the essay was published by the Carter Center's US-China Perception Monitor, the website was blocked in China.

How effective are China's propaganda efforts?

Professor Repnikova told DW that even though there are some critical messages and fact-checking efforts on Chinese social media to counter the dominant anti-Western rhetoric, those critical messages are often quickly censored. "The strongest voices tend to be nationalistic and anti-Western messaging which aligns with the pro-Russia statement," she said. "Other voices that have tried to challenge that have been quickly censored."
Freedom House's Sarah Cook says that, in addition to amplifying the Russian propaganda, muzzling dissenting voices is equally essential for the propaganda to be effective.

"If the voices within China, including some very prominent intellectuals, or content liked by a Chinese resident in Ukraine, were not being restricted, then the propaganda would be much less effective," she told DW.
While China may officially be taking a neutral stance, its online maneuverings suggest a very different position regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Edited by: John Silk

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