guzzimaestro

Witness describes Ukraine tank firing on its own territory to blame Russians

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/03/13/nazi-slaughter-witness-exposes-ukie-false-flag-attack-on-village/

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

Gee, I wonder which side she's on?

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Which just goes to show you that all Ukraine people are not necessarily for Ukraine. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt places on earth and the people know it. And now, many will die for political ass holes and heir arrogance. On both sides.

Just thought of another point I have not seen mentioned. Before the Russian's move across the Ukraine border, members of NATO, the organization that Russia is/was up set over, was arming Ukraine for a long war of people against massive armor. I don't believe that Russia really wanted to enter Ukraine, just force an agreement that Ukraine would never join NATO. But the possibility always existed. Agreed. If that possibility already exists, and negotiations are not moving forward, when do you use the military option. After they are fully armed by the west or NOW. So, NATO and the west, with their threats of sanctions and arming of Ukraine, actually possibly/probably incited the invasion, and sooner rather then later? None of this would have happened if Ukraine just agreed to never join NATO and allow their expansion right up to Russia's border. Just a logical analysis of the matter.

Another point. When the west (obama and biden) incited, funded and helped plan the Ukraine coup in 2014, what happened. The Ukraine leader ran for his life. And they would have killed him. What is left? That is my question. There is instantly, no government. Does that mob have the right be the government, or appoint their own choice as leader. It was not done by rule of law, but the rule of no laws. So, at that time, isn't it the right of the people to decide where they want to go and who they want to lead them. And isn't that what happened in Crimea and those eastern provinces that were mainly Russians. If obama and the west can interfere in Ukraine leadership, without any actually skin in the game, why can't the Russians in defense of the ethnic Russians. They did and the newly installed, so called leadership attacked those provinces and 14,000 lives have been lost. Just some thoughts on who has a right to fill a leadership void in a coup, and does every province and/or person have to go along with that. Just trying to logically analyze the early situation in 2014 and what led to now.

Logically Right

guzzimaestro

Yes, no mention of these issues on US news. It's " oh the poor Ukrainians"

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

I'm stew that makes the use of FAE's on civilians and maternity hospitals OK? Really? Russians and Serbs are all the same.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

I been saying….

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

It’s getting old too.
My church is sending $ to the refugees.
I am not sure if they will get it.

guzzimaestro

The point is, they make it out like there's a good and bad side here. In reality they're both bad

woodguru

So what's your point?
Both bad but one has no business invading the other regardless.

guzzimaestro

Reread post by Logically Right

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

So we should have stayed out of:
Korea
Vietnam
Libya
Kuwait
Syria
Iraq
Afghanistan?
You might be right!

guzzimaestro

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Did I miss any?

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

I actually think we should have invaded Portland Oregon when they established the new country in the middle of town.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

It's not surprising....

The Russians have not been very cooperative when it comes to brutally murdering civilians....