Texas A&M rated Biden 6th best president ever (Page 2): I think Lincoln was a good president, possibly the best. He had reasonable values, could write and speak well, and had a...

robertv3

dtucker300 wrote:

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I think Lincoln was a good president, possibly the best. He had reasonable values, could write and speak well, and had a relevant background before becoming president. Washington was probably also a very good president. Dwight Eisenhower may have been a good one.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

robertv3 wrote:

I think Lincoln was a good president, possibly the best. He had reasonable values, could write and speak well, and had a relevant background before becoming president. Washington was probably also a very good president. Dwight Eisenhower may have been a good one.

He was a huge racist, did you know that?? He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa. He did not think they were humans on the same level as white's.

From a presidential debate: “While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. … I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.]”

manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA

nwtk2007 wrote:

He was a huge racist, did you know that?? He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa. He did not think they were humans on the same level as white's.

From a presidential debate: “While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. … I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.]”

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I never knew that! What a surprise considering that he was behind the Emancipation Proclamation.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

nwtk2007 wrote:

He was a huge racist, did you know that?? He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa. He did not think they were humans on the same level as white's.

From a presidential debate: “While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. … I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.]”

He was a huge racist, did you know that?? He want... (show quote)

He was debating Douglas before he was President. He was very much against slavery as this was the foundation of the new Republican party. But he was also affirming his respect for the law, both state and constitutional. You have to look at his comments in the context of society standards at the time he said this and not today's standards. To say that Lincoln was a "huge racist" is not accurate.

woodguru

dtucker300 wrote:

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And where was trump?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

manning5 wrote:

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I never knew that! What a surprise considering that he was behind the Emancipation Proclamation.

I know!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

dtucker300 wrote:

He was debating Douglas before he was President. He was very much against slavery as this was the foundation of the new Republican party. But he was also affirming his respect for the law, both state and constitutional. You have to look at his comments in the context of society standards at the time he said this and not today's standards. To say that Lincoln was a "huge racist" is not accurate.

It is accurate, but a part of the times. As you point out.

Rose42

eden wrote:

The value of the First Amendment is aptly demonstrated here by the sheer blizzard and scale of half baked, distorted, half truths and political pulp fiction. I guess those of us in the middle appreciate your erratic drivel for how it reassures us of how much angry extremist rants are not to be taken seriously.

If you think he’s an extremist for posting those you’re either not in the middle or have no discernment.

son of witless

woodguru wrote:

And where was trump?

Higher than Joe and Barry.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

dtucker300 wrote:

BIDEN RATED 6TH BEST PRESIDENT IN OUR HISTORY!! by... (show quote)

Antimarxist21

eden wrote:

The value of the First Amendment is aptly demonstrated here by the sheer blizzard and scale of half baked, distorted, half truths and political pulp fiction. I guess those of us in the middle appreciate your erratic drivel for how it reassures us of how much angry extremist rants are not to be taken seriously.

Agreed.

chuckybrass

Can't believe it for a minute. The lamestream media would've jumped that opportunity immediately!

Iliamna1

[quote=Ronald Hatt]**
**Texas A & M....{ A, & M...stands for #Assinine morons! } :O{{{

What else could it be? ? ? ? ?

How could A-Morality, [ Clinton}....Criminality, Biden, & Cl;inton,....even some Obama}.....& ignorance { Carter}....be ranked so high?

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[/quote]

It HAS to be an Aggie joke. It just has to be. Please, Lord, let it be a good, old-fashioned Texas Aggie joke. Iliamna (a Longhorn graduate)

robertv3

woodguru wrote:

And where was trump?

Per the Original Post, "1. Reagan, Lincoln, and Trump tied for first". It gives you an idea of how worthless the survey respondent's opinions were.

robertv3

nwtk2007 wrote:

He was a huge racist, did you know that?? He wanted to ship blacks back to Africa. He did not think they were humans on the same level as white's.

From a presidential debate: “While I was at the hotel to-day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. … I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.]”

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The earlier post referred to 3 presidents, but after reading I can see that the above reply is about Lincoln.

I had never heard such a thing (and I can see why -- the schools of my time wouldn't want it known). I think it's believable though, because people in earlier times (even Lincoln) didn't know what we know now.

Assuming Lincoln said that, I'm disappointed. Yes it is racist. But no, I would not call him a "huge" racist, because I make an allowance for his ignorance, and for his being a product of his times, and for him having to function within the society in which he existed (even if he were wiser and less ignorant).

So, after assuming he gave that racist speech, what's left of Lincoln to admire? This: Within that same speech are included these remarks: "My understanding is that I can just let her alone." "[I]t seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes." Those remarks by themselves are good, maybe even laudable for his time or taken in context. He also says he will "stand by the law of this State", which is a reasonable thing for him to say (though I think the law was bad). He also said, in the same speech, this sentence which is half good: "I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing." The good part is that the negro would not necessarily have to be denied some things. These excerpts from his speech indicate that Lincoln is far better than the people who would enslave, persecute, or arbitrarily deny rights to others. These factors are worth a lot, and put him at a higher moral footing than many people of today.

So in my opinion the speech shows he had a lot of ignorance (about negroes, anyway) but had the good moral sense to let negroes alone rather than to abuse them (while so many other people of his time were abusing them). This good moral sense (which is worth a lot even in a state of ignorance) is one of the things that made Lincoln a good president for his time. That's my opinion. But if you could ask Lincoln himself about it, he'd probably say that he didn't think much about race and was more interested in other things such as keeping the union together. And that's also true.