woodguru

You have to laugh at a revered leader that made such a big deal about repeating over and over the things he wanted to be believed were fake, everything that wasn't in support of him were fake...come on really?

But the flip side was the incessant validation that everyone who believed in him, supported him were the real americans, the patriots, the special people that loved their country.

And these are the same people that can't tell when they are being divided by that person who tells them they are special, anyone who doesn't agree with him are the enemy, they are not the real americans, real patriots.

It doesn't take much in the way of critical thinking skills to see and understand what divisive talk is, and anyone labeling people as real americans versus the fake ones, and the fake ones are the enemy of real americans is dividing people, and intelligent people would object to that divisiveness in principle alone.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Just more of your ignorant rhetoric. You got anything new to talk about

robertv3

The first time I'd even heard of Trump was in 2015 when by chance I tuned into a Republican presidential primary debate on my car radio. Trump was interrupting so much and saying so little of substance that the only way they could have had a reasonable discussion would have been to remove him from the room first.

I listened for at least a few minutes, trying to find something of substance in what he was saying. Finding none, I decided he wasn't worth listening to. The fact that he got elected indicates to me that a lot of voters prefer obnoxiousness more than just about anything else.

Five years later he was acting the same way in a presidential debate with Joe Biden.

While he was president I happened to pick up the information that he had had a TV show where he said "You're fired!" a lot.

What good is such a person? Not much. He made the pandemic worse. What kind of president would publicly scoff at people who follow CDC recommendations to wear a mask in a pandemic? A very bad one.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Nonsense. You are divisive

Smedley_buzkill

He made the pandemic worse? I hate to tell you this but the vaccines were developed while he was president and more people have died under Biden's watch WITH the vaccine developed while Trump was president, than under Trump, whose last year was mostly without the vaccine. You should try and keep up. Masks are useless. Most are ineffective and the few that aren't are usually worn incorrectly. Biden has allowed 2 million illegal aliens into our country in one year, most of them unvetted, untested and unvaxxed.
You should make a stab at knowing what you are talking about before you post fabrications.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

***Trump Supporters Needed To Be Told What Was Real Or Fake..

>>>woodguru needs To Be Told What Was Real Or Fake. He has it sowrong so often.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

The kind that knows better

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

***He made the pandemic worse.
>>>No. He didn't. The democrats sis by tryig to interfer with everything that was tried.
*** He What kind of president would publicly scoff at people who follow CDC recommendations to wear a mask in a
pandemic?
>>>Actually, this is a fact. They are virtually worthless and often times more unhealthy for the healthy. You really need to keep up with the facts

robertv3

The opposite, of almost everything you said.

The vaccines would have been developed no matter who was president.

The pandemic runs it course and is either sped up or slowed down by effects of bad leadership or good leadership. The effects of leadership have ripple effects on subsequent years.

And so on.

robertv3

The Democrats that I know about tended to follow CDC recommendations more than the Republicans that I know about.



"facts". "keep up". Okay:

Aside from news for the past many months, I sometimes search on duckduckgo.com to check facts. Now I enter this in its search box:

"are masks" covid

and here are the first things that pop up:

"Coronavirus Face Masks FAQs - Johns Hopkins Medicine
www.hopkinsmedicine.org › health › conditions-and-diseases › coronavirus
Jan 27, 2022 · The most recent recommendations related to prevention against the spread of COVID-19 include wearing cloth masks as an added measure of ..."

"Does wearing face masks help prevent the spread of COVID-19?
Wearing masks can help communities slow the spread of COVID-19 when worn consistently and correctly by a majority of people in public settings and when masks are used along with other preventive measures, including social distancing, frequent handwashing, and cleaning and disinfecting.
Monitoring and Evaluation Action Guide: Wearing Masks as a COVID-19 Community Mitigation Strategy
www.cdc.gov › coronavirus › 2019-ncov › php › mask-evaluation"

"Does wearing a mask harm your health?
No, wearing a mask will not harm your health even if you are sick with a cold or allergies. If your mask gets too moist just make sure you are changing it regularly.
Mask update No. 4: Can a mask make you sick?
www.novanthealth.org › healthy-headlines › mask-update-no-4-can-a-mas..."

"What kind of mask should I wear during the COVID-19 pandemic?
Omicron is the most contagious variant we have come across yet, so high-quality, well-fitting masks are more important than ever. This is true for everyone, and even more so for anyone who is unvaccinated, at increased risk for severe illness, or caring for someone with COVID-19.
Not all masks are created equal. High quality KN95, KF94, and N95 masks have the tightest fit and the best filtration. Surgical masks are also effective at filtering out small viral particles. You can wear a cloth mask on top of a surgical mask to improve the fit. Or, you can adjust a surgical mask for a tighter fit using a method called "knotting and tucking." To knot and tuck a surgical mask, knot the ear loops of a 3-ply face mask where they join the edge of the mask, then fold and tuck the unneeded material under the edges.
Preventing the spread of the coronavirus
www.health.harvard.edu › diseases-and-conditions › preventing-the-spread..."

corroborating the stuff I already knew (except that I have doubts about the effectiveness of "frequent handwashing, and cleaning and disinfecting" against Covid, as Covid is so much more transmitted by air than by surfaces). (Back in the early months of the pandemic, I was very careful about surfaces, but now there's more knowledge about how Covid-19 spreads or doesn't spread.)

So: the above came from:

duckduckgo

John Hopkins (Jan. 2022) (this is the only one of these hits of which the date is immediately obvious without clicking into it)

CDC

"novanthealth" (this is the first time I had heard of them)

and:

harvard

(in addition to other news sources which I've tended to read or hear over the past couple of years)

I also get some indications from my younger brother (who was a safety engineer and who reads a lot about Covid and the pandemic) and from my nephew's wife (who is a biochemist and has two small children and a diabetic husband all of whom she wants to protect) and one of my sisters-in-law who seems knowledgeable, smart, practical, and trustworthy. None of us have gotten Covid yet (knock on wood). At least one of us probably _will_ eventually catch Covid, just because it's so hard to avoid over the long term, but so far we're beating the average contagion rate.

I also get some indications from my church. The congregation of this church does and thinks about the same as I do, and almost none (I think maybe I heard one or two of them had mild Covid cases) of them have caught Covid yet (thus beating the average contagion rate), although they frequently report that _other_ people they know have caught it, and they have reported a few deaths from it among those other people.

From where do you get _your_ facts?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Here is the short list of the results of the 2020 election, and there is nothing fake about them:

Massive tax increases,
skyrocketing inflation,
loss of energy independence,
severe obstructions to our supply chain,
thousands of small business closings,
an armed force incapable of winning a war
(America’s military commanders are corrupt, incompetent, arrogant, self-serving, and incapable of providing leadership),
a military disaster in Afghanistan in which many lives were lost,
a sharp increase in violent crime and illegal immigration,
a total failure to deal effectively with the Covid pandemic,
more and more onerous regulations,
increased attacks on white Americans, especially men,
an unprecedented rise in anti-Semitism and racial division,
and now the threat of nuclear war.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Roberttv3, you asked a fair question.
***From where do you get _your_ facts?
Simple answer is the internet, just like you. I did bother to look for some information I recently saved. This is all I have at the moment and I don't have the time to look further. Hope this helps. Meanwhile I'll continue to live free whenever possible. I've read enough to see the dangerous and not enough of the so called positives you present. I'm sure you won't agree to my list as I won't agree to yours. So lets agree to disagree in peace. Cheers and have a nice day.
Logically Right

>>>47 studies confirm ineffectiveness of masks for COVID and 32 more confirm their negative health effects

July 23, 2021 – Prior to facemask mandates as an alleged preventive for Covid infection and transmission, such masks were infrequently worn in hospitals and other medical facilities. They were only used in operating theatres or for visiting seriously ill patients in order to prevent infection from spit or droplets into open wounds or to partially protect visitors from acquiring and transmitting pathogens more dangerous than Covid. Many doctors and nurses have told LifeSite that for decades, if not longer, staff wearing medical masks were an uncommon sight in health care facilities other than as mentioned.

No studies were needed to justify this practice since most understood viruses were far too small to be stopped by the wearing of most masks, other than sophisticated ones designed for that task and which were too costly and complicated for the general public to properly wear and keep changing or cleaning. It was also understood that long mask wearing was unhealthy for wearers for common sense and basic science reasons.

There has been an international flood of lies about mask wearing in order to justify the bizarre and disturbing situation we have today of almost everyone wearing masks in many regions, inside and outside healthcare facilities, in schools with children of all ages, during sports events, in churches, in grocery stores and all commercial facilities, while driving and walking, and long after peak infection has passed.

It has also continued long after it was discovered that Covid was not nearly as dangerous as we were led to believe, that many of the mitigation policies caused serious damage of all kinds, including many deaths, and long after prevention and treatment protocols were discovered and used with great success, and the very best ones often criminally suppressed by government and health authorities.

The unnecessary and greatly exaggerated fear during the first few months of this pandemic, which would never have been labeled a pandemic until the WHO unilaterally changed the pandemic definition to include much less dangerous pathogens, has been manipulated to continue to this day, unlike past experiences with similar virus outbreaks. There have been numerous lies fed to the public by the WHO, national and regional government leaders and health bureaucrats and the media and many other institutions – all certainly for the purpose of maintaining fear until the large majority of the public has been injected with the poorly tested, unnecessary and dangerous Covid vaccines for which we have no evidence of their long-term safety.

President Joe Biden has been consistently presenting numerous, outrageous lies to justify his extreme Covid and vaccine policies and Paul Elias Alexander, Ph.D, has written an article published on LifeSite today that summarizes all of the most prominent and damaging lies that have generated continuing fear and caused a large percentage of Americans and citizens of other nations to accept the Covid vaccines in order to allegedly be able to return to a normal life. Included in Alexander’s list are the lies related to mask mandates.

An acquaintance of Paul Alexander has written the list below of 47 studies confirming that masks are useless in preventing Covid infection and transmission and a second list further down of 32 studies confirming the negative health effects caused by frequent mask wearing, especially for young children. This has been a growing, serious concern in recent months as the dangerous health and emotional effects, especially on children, who are at almost zero risk of Covid harm, are becoming more pronounced and deeply worrisome.

VARIOUS FACE MASK STUDIES PROVE THEIR INEFFECTIVENESS

1. Surgical mask / cloth face mask studies

Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities — United States, July 2020

The US Centre for Disease Control performed a study which showed that 85 percent of those who contracted Covid-19 during July 2020 were mask wearers. Just 3.9 percent of the study participants never wore a mask.

2. Facial protection for healthcare workers during pandemics: a scoping review

3. Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses

4. Disposable surgical face masks for preventing surgical wound infection in clean surgery

5. Disposable surgical face masks: a systematic review

6. Evaluating the efficacy of cloth facemasks in reducing particulate matter exposure

7. Face seal leakage of half masks and surgical masks

8. Comparison of the Filter Efficiency of Medical Nonwoven Fabrics against Three Different Microbe Aerosols

9. Aerosol penetration through surgical masks

10. Particle removal from air by face masks made from Sterilization Wraps: Effectiveness and Reusability

11. A New Method for Testing Filtration Efficiency of Mask Materials Under Sneeze-like Pressure

12. Protecting staff against airborne viral particles: in vivo efficiency of laser masks

13. Quantitative Method for Comparative Assessment of Particle Removal Efficiency of Fabric Masks as Alternatives to Standard Surgical Masks for PPE

14. The efficacy of standard surgical face masks: an investigation using “tracer particles”

15. Testing the efficacy of homemade masks: would they protect in an influenza pandemic?

16. Using half-facepiece respirators for H1N1

17. Why Masks Don’t Work Against COVID-19

18. Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy

19. Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review

20. “Exercise with facemask; Are we handling a devil’s sword?” – A physiological hypothesis

21. Use of face masks by non-scrubbed operating room staff: a randomized controlled trial

22. Surgical face masks in modern operating rooms – a costly and unnecessary ritual?

23. Masks: a ward investigation and review of the literature

24. Aerosol penetration and leakage characteristics of masks used in the health care industry

25. Masks for prevention of viral respiratory infections among health care workers and the public: PEER umbrella systematic review

26. Modeling of the Transmission of Coronaviruses, Measles Virus, Influenza Virus, Mycobacterium tuberculosis, and Legionella pneumophila in Dental Clinics

27. Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings-Personal Protective and Environmental Measures

28. Effectiveness of personal protective measures in reducing pandemic influenza transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis

29. Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta- analysis

30. Adolescents’ face mask usage and contact transmission in novel Coronavirus

31. Visualizing the effectiveness of face masks in obstructing respiratory jets

32. Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: a randomized controlled trial

33. A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

34. Simple respiratory protection–evaluation of the filtration performance of cloth masks and common fabric materials against 20-1000 nm size particles

35. Respiratory performance offered by N95 respirators and surgical masks: human subject evaluation with NaCl aerosol representing bacterial and viral particle size range

36. Do N95 respirators provide 95% protection level against airborne viruses, and how adequate are surgical masks?

37. Do Surgical Masks Stop the Coronavirus?

38. Effectiveness of personal protective measures in reducing pandemic influenza transmission: A systematic review and meta-analysis

39. Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta- analysis

40. Adolescents’ face mask usage and contact transmission in novel Coronavirus

41. Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: a randomized controlled trial

42. Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers : A Randomized Controlled Trial

43. A cluster randomised trial of cloth masks compared with medical masks in healthcare workers

44. Respiratory performance offered by N95 respirators and surgical masks: human subject evaluation with NaCl aerosol representing bacterial and viral particle size range

45. Performance of N95 respirators: filtration efficiency for airborne microbial and inert particles

Coronavirus is 0.125 micron, as you can read in this study, it states that most N95 masks can only filter particles as small as 0.75 microns. This is too big to trap this virus. that is a fact.

And even with an efficiency of 95 percent (depending on brand, so filtration may be lower) IF the virus can be trapped… it’s still missing 5 percent and maybe more based on an N95 that has 0.1 microns .

Study article: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9487666/

CORONAVIRUSES ARE 0.125 MICRON. SO THE BEST N95 ON THE MARKET WOULD DO NOTHING .

46. A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019

47. Airborne coronavirus particle (<0.125 micron) will pass directly through a N95 face mask.

FACE MASK SIDE EFFECTS AND HEALTH IMPLICATIONS

1. Preliminary report on surgical mask induced deoxygenation during major surgery
2. Impact of structural features on dynamic breathing resistance of healthcare face mask
3. Respiratory consequences of N95-type Mask usage in pregnant healthcare workers-a controlled clinical study
4. Headaches and the N95 face-mask amongst healthcare providers
5. Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: a randomized controlled trial
6.Your Health Your Responsibility
7. Physiological impact of the N95 filtering facepiece respirator on healthcare workers
8. The adverse skin reactions of health care workers using personal protective equipment for COVID-19
9. Your Mask May Be Causing Candida Growth in Your Mouth
10. ‘Mask mouth’ is a seriously stinky side effect of wearing masks
11. All That Mask-Wearing Could Be Giving You (Gasp!) Mouth Fungus—Here’s How to Deal With it
12. ‘Maskne’ Is a Real Thing—Here’s How to Stop Face Mask Breakouts
13. Improper use of medical masks can cause infections Face mask side effects include mould and infections
14. Mould Colonization in Your Sinuses Could Be Holding You Back From Making a Full Recovery <
15. An investigation into the efficiency of disposable face masks
16. Can the Elastic of Surgical Face Masks Stimulate Ear Protrusion in Children?
17. When You Wear A Face Mask Every Day, This Is What Happens To Your Lungs
18. The physiological impact of wearing an N95 mask during hemodialysis as a precaution against SARS in patients with end-stage renal disease
19. Other Face Mask Side Effects and Health Implications to Consider
20. [Gaps in asepsis due to surgical caps, face masks, external surfaces of infusion bottles and sterile wrappers of disposable articles]
21. Mask Production Video
22. Allergies and the Immune System
23. Virus interactions with bacteria: Partners in the infectious dance
24. When viruses and bacteria unite!
25. An empirical and theoretical investigation into the psychological effects of wearing a mask
26. Mask mandates may affect a child’s emotional, intellectual development
27. Disabled People and Masks Contributing Toward Mental Health Issues
28. Maine study looks into long-term psychological effects of wearing face masks coronavirus, COVID-19 pandemic
29. Masks: Have You Been Captured by This Psyop?
30. Masking the Truth – Face Masks, Empathy and Dis-inhibition
31. Covid-19 face masks: A potential source of microplastic fibers in the environment
32. Why Masks Don’t Work Against COVID-19

One Patriot

I have a question for all of you sheeple.

If masks are so effective, then why (in the past 40+ years) haven’t you put a mask on during the flu season?

elledee

And bribem suckers need to get treatment for cranial rectosis

robertv3

Ignoring the "sheeple" word for the moment --

2 or 3 reasons:

1. Flu's less deadly. Aside from mortality, it also often has significant long-term effects, some of which have been quite distressing and mysterious. Flus don't as much.

2. Hospitals have not been as crowded from just flu seasons. Nowadays, surges in Covid cases severe enough for hospitalizations have endangered everybody by crowding the hospitals, making it harder (or riskier, or less likely) to get hospital care for anything. For example, in some places elective surgeries are being postponed because hospitals are too busy with Covid cases. If this had been going on 3 years ago I might still be handicapped with a hernia I couldn't get an operation for. Another thing about crowded hospitals is that staff are overwhelmed with treating Covid patients; staff (nurses) are stressed and burning out and quitting.

3. Covid-19, during its first year or two, being less understood, and being apparently more deadly than flus (even Trump said, to Woodward, that Covid-19's much worse than a bad flu), it is a civic duty to help slow the spread of it, yet more than it's a civic duty to help slow the less deadly and more-understood (therefore less risky and less dangerous) flus.

There's another thing I want to say about masks (which is not direct to your question, but may still be relevant): Elsewhere on OPP someone recently said, in effect, that the holes in even N95 masks are larger than the virus particles. This can be argued about, in a couple of ways that I know of. One, expressed metaphorically, is that a doorway is big enough to let a football player walk through, but small enough to greatly slow down 3 football players all converging on it at once. The other is that a mask slows down virus particles like denim slows down urine so that a person wearing jeans is unlikely to get urine onto another person even if he tries to. But the urine still soaks through because holes in denim are bigger than the particles of urine. A third argument: Virus particles may be riding on other things which are bigger particles; and even if they're not, they probably go where the air goes, and the air can be deflected or slowed by the presence of a mask. Finally, as far as I know, nobody has claimed that masks are foolproof or absolute protection; they are PARTIAL protection. If people are in a small room with lots of other people, with poor ventilation, talking or singing loudly in there for two hours, then even if they're all wearing masks, one can transmit Covid to others, because the viral LOAD in the room reaches an infectious level. So the sensible thing to do is be only a much shorter time (if at all) in such a crowded poorly ventilated room during a pandemic, and if you must be in there at all, then wear a mask during that time, and hope that everybody else in there is also wearing a mask, because you don't know who in there's got Covid and who doesn't -- even _they_ themselves don't know.

Now that all that's said, why is it that some of you can't seem to enter a discussion without automatically slurring somebody (such as by calling them "sheeple")? Would _you_ prefer to be automatically addressed all the time as "dummies" or "stupid ignoramuses" or whatever other derogatory term might come to mind?