jeff smith

yep, wasn't President Trump, a damn good President?
and yes the conservative party does seem to be for the working people of the nation.

jeff smith

don't know that person.
i, if i needed a lawyer i would hire one i know that i know would do the best job needed.

jeff smith

no, i'm an independent that vote conservative. many years ago i use to vote bimbocratic. now days you couldn't pay me to vote for a bimbocratic nationalist communist party.
don't get me wrong, i'll take your money, but once in that voting booth i will vote for the one i vote for and it aint going to be any F-ing bimbo.

robertv3

Yes, that's how it is.

I didn't know about that GOP Adviser. But Greg Palast writes about the same situation, in detail.

Kemp was _Secretary_of_State_ overseeing the exact same election in which he was running for governor. He'd been urged to resign as Secretary of State because of the (obvious) conflict of interest, but he didn't.

Regarding the two biggest political parties: So far I've never heard of any Democratic Secretary of State overseeing the exact same election in which he was running for governor. Democratic Secretaries of State do some wrong things, but nothing that brazen.

robertv3

You did spend a "few minutes" doing research, and chided another poster for (supposedly, in your view) not doing so.

Now here's a whole book by an expert who's been in the field for twenty years, but you are dismissive of it; your time is too valuable for that. I did read the book (and have quoted from it several times, since then).

The dramatic title of the book was intended as a warning (and it's reasonable that it be a warning rather than a prediction, since it was written earlier than the election). It turned out that it was quite an apt warning.

The content of the book is factual enough. He's reporting what he's seen and done, and what his team has gathered and analyzed as data, and what various people have said; e.g., he interviewed Stacey Abrams (at length) and tried to interview Brian Kemp and Kris Kobach (short interviews -- that is, cut short by them backing away as soon as they recognized who he was), and various other people, including at least one or two professors about the subject matters. He attended Republican rallies, undercover, to see what was happening there. He went to polling places to see for himself where the long lines are or aren't, and what the people running the polling places are saying about their machine malfunctions, orders from above on what they are to say to voters, etc.

He's the same guy who wrote _The Best Democracy Money Can Buy_ and various other books, probably more on this subject of corruptions in elections than on any other single topic. He seems to have gotten into the area of investigating corruptions in elections, in a big way, when he was investigating what happened in Florida in the 2000 presidential election (Bush vs Gore) (the secretary of state of Florida at that time was Katherine Harris).

You don't have to read the book (How Trump Stole 2020), of course; but trying to laugh it off doesn't make you appear any smarter. I've had doubts about whether the title was too bold, but have to allow for some dramatic license in the title of a book as long as its contents match up with honest reality (about the things he's already seen and done). No-one can reliably predict the future in details like the exact methods Trump (or some people working on his side of the election) would try for stealing the election and how well each one would work, and what the results would be. It _was_ pretty close: even just by counting the votes: something like 77 million to 81 million votes, both candidates getting record numbers of votes.

robertv3

Your first word ("maybe") appeared very wise.

After reading the rest of your post (I made myself wade through it), I don't feel that you're very qualified to judge who might be a "dingbat of a lawyer".

robertv3

No.

No.

Or maybe it "seems" to some people that it is, but really isn't.

moldyoldy

It seems that his problem is her color.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

moldy knows that cleaning the voter rolls would lower their vote collections that's why they hate voter ID's

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Bullshit

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Did I give you the impression that I care about your opinion of my intelligence? If so, I apologize. Anybody can write anything, and putting it into a book doesn't count for much. The data and analysis must be considered. You seem to think the author is an 'expert', and he may be, but lots of other authors have written books that come to different and opposite conclusions, and the left gives THEM no credence. But you did get one thing correct. I have no intention of reading the book. Nor would I read one titled "How Hillary Won in 2016" or one titled "How the Republicans Beat Joe Biden With A Landslide Victory".
I appreciate your opinions, and have enjoyed reading them and debating about it, but I do not accept your book as factual since the author makes no pretense of being objective.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Nope. 4430 speaks truth.

straightUp Loc: California

It's only a topic of discussion on the left, if that's what you mean.


If there is one truth in all the accusations crossing the partisan line, it's that the right is about division and the left is about unity. That is essentially what defines them. The right "says" they are for unity but they insist on borders and walls, the left does not... The right says it's ok for heterosexual couples to get married, but homosexual couples can not. The left makes no such distinctions. These are just two examples. On every turn in politics the left are always the one looking to include others while the right looks to exclude others.

With that much imparity it's rather silly to keep pretending that you can keep playing the parrot game.


I know it does seem that way but really it's not about the parties... It's about the movements. It seems the only movements that are looking out for us anymore are on the left because it's there that Americans realize the backbone of America deserves more than the trickle-down, left-overs.

straightUp Loc: California

Name one thing Trump OR the Republican Party did for the people of the nation that isn't total BS.

Did they give us better healthcare? No, but they tried to kill the best deal we have so far.
Did they give us better schools? No, but they did turn our public schools into targets of false accusations.
Did they protect any of the water we depend on to live? No, but they rolled back the protections we did have.
Did they protect any of the air we depend on on to live? No, but they invalidated the obligation to do so.
Did they make the economy any better? Absolutely not. There was some growth at the beginning of Trumps term as the momentum from the Obama years continued, but Trump and the Republicans did nothing to keep it going.
Did they help reduce the national debt that out children will have to pay? No, they actually made it much bigger, which is why right-wing media doesn't talk about it anymore.
Did they unite us? No, in fact Trump was so effective at dividing America that his supporters actually attacked our capitol.
Did they invest in our infrastructure? No, they said they would but they made no effort. We had to wait for Biden on that one.
Did they help produce jobs? Yes, but not as many as the jobs that were lost. The net Trump effect was actually less jobs, not more.

All the right is left with here, are broad generalizations and touchy-feely stuff that deplorables keep bringing up, like how he made America strong but that's a false impression that only plays on our egos anyway.

What Trump actually did was he reneged on several agreements the U.S. made with the world, such as the Iran-deal, the Paris Accord and of course the surrender to the Taliban which was pretty much a "Dear John" letter to our allies and message to Putin, that we really aren't much of a threat.

Trump and the Republicans turned America into a confused, self-abusing, basket case of a nation, leaving the rest of the world looking for leaders that can actually stand by their word.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Good grief, Straightup!! You not only drank the koolaid, you liked it so much that you are making up your own custom flavored batch!
You have done nothing more than provide a list of partisan talking points thrown out by democrats over the past five years. No supporting evidence. Very little truth. Just a bunch of hooey and exaggerations.
I will not bother addressing any but one, other than to say they are all fictions. I'll address the one, because you have been beating this drum on several of your posts. Trump did NOT divide our nation! That came COMPLETELY from the left, who happily swallowed every single outrageous lie the Democrats said about Trump starting in 2016. There was not one accusation too ugly, too despicable, too unproven, too vile, that they refused to use to try to incinerate this business man who DARED to try and be a winning politician, and beat their anointed one. They even went so far as to proclaim that anyone ANYone who voted for him were defective humans, if human at all. EVERY political divide, racial divide, economic divide, and every other division came directly and intentionally from the Democrats.
And THAT is the truth!
As for the rest of this post, you sound like Milosia, and that is NOT a compliment.