SSDD

Ah, now we get to the core of the issue. Because the MSM ignored baseless conspiracy theory, they are biased.

A. We do not even know for sure that the laptop in question was even Hunter Biden's laptop in the first place

B. Many "damning things" were SAID to be found on this laptop but never fully revealed, in fact, Tucker Carlson GREATLY hyped that he would reveal the contents but then NEVER DID.

C. The owner of the shop who eventually admitted that he couldn't verify that the laptop was indeed Hunter Biden's laptop, he was in fact a Trump supporter. The lawyer, Rudolph Giuliani, that the shop owner gave the laptop to who EVENTUALLY handed it over to the FBI, was IN FACT, Trump's lawyer. Giuliani had the laptop for quite some time BEFORE turning it over to the FBI, and finally, the FBI DID NOT file ANY charges against Hunter Biden. Have I missed any of the key elements? If so, please enlighten me. Obviously the entire story was legitimate and the MSM chose not to run with it... Give me a break with these damned CTs...


As for your assertion that I will do anything to further the cause of the Democrats, normally you would be mistaken and technically you still are. I WILL NOT lie for them. But, I will grant you this, I will do quite a bit for them, something that wouldn't have been true even as recently as during Obama's presidency. The reason why is this. The Republican party is NO LONGER the Republican party, it is transforming into the DJT party. A party so fringe that it threatens the American way of life and even what little democracy America has. I am not FOR authoritarian dictatorships. IF you are, there are already countries with just such leadership. Instead of converting the America that I love into one, why not move to the one you like best? Why convert THIS America into one that will fall into authoritarian rule just to satisfy what I believe to be the minority of it's citizens?

As for your assertion that I shy away from a real debate or discussion, if you have been paying attention, you would realize that couldn't be further from the truth. Let's discuss this, WITHOUT of course baseless CTs mind you.


I notice that you claim a "science and engineering background and a base of facts. If that is so, why is so much of what you are saying being based in feelings, CTs, talking points and propaganda? I am ALL FOR facts, bring the FACTS, leave the talking points, lies, CTs and propaganda behind and let's move forward on facts alone.


You further assert that I am the one that left reality behind. Not true. I have looked into the reality of our situation, researched it, used reliable source of information, used logic, reasoning and even mere "sniff tests" to ascertain the truth of the matters. The truth is that some RW media admits the truth, at least in their news department and to some extent, even Fox "News" does as well, primarily on non-political issues that HAVEN'T been politicized by "culture war politicians". But Fox "News" and on down the rabbit hole, NewsMax, OANN and the like, they tend to veer away from reality where politics or "culture wars" are concerned. The fact that you can not see this means that you have bought into what they are selling.

As for, "Therefore I will do some research and when I have something, I will start a new topic. Look for it in March.", I will try, schedule permitting, but I can not make any guarantees, earlier may, or may not be better. I can not foresee the future, my schedule clears and fills on it's own schedule, not mine, but I will make an honest attempt of course.


I wish you well as well.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

HUA. That does not mean I agree, by the way. The deluded mind-managed self deluded person you see ME as being, is EXACTLY how I see you.
Nevertheless, have a good one.

Ri-chard Loc: 23322

Wishing your wish list well.
In the later years of the Obama administration, then-Vice President Joe Biden, the current Democratic nominee for president, led U.S. diplomat relations with Ukraine. Joe Biden’s son Hunter sat on the board of Burisma at the same time.

According to Carlson, Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to Burisma’s board, emailed Biden and his then-business partner Devon Archer about their “final goals” and to form a “concrete course of action” related to their dealings with Burisma.

“So what did Burisma want exactly? Well, good PR for starters,” Carlson said. “The executive wanted, quote, high-ranking U.S. officials to express their, quote, positive opinion of Burisma. And then he wanted the administration to act on Burisma’s behalf.”

Pozharskyi told Hunter Biden that Burisma executives wanted public support from U.S. officials, as well as to “close down any cases/pursuits against the head of Burisma in Ukraine,” Carlson said, quoting Pozharskyi’s email.

Carlson then revealed a Dec. 2, 2015, email from the PR firm Blue Star Strategies obtained exclusively by “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”

“Hello all … This morning the White House hosted a conference call regarding the Vice President’s upcoming trip to Ukraine. Attached is a memo from the Blue Star Strategies team with the minutes of the call, which outlined the trip’s agenda and addressed several questions regarding U.S. policy toward Ukraine,” the email said.

“So here you have a PR firm involved in an official White House foreign policy call. How could that happen? Good question—but it worked. Days later, Joe Biden flew to Ukraine and did exactly what his son wanted. The vice president gave a speech slamming the very Ukrainian law enforcement official who was tormenting Burisma. The exact guy,” Carlson said, referring to former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

SSDD

Nothing personal about it really, just pointing out that I AM NOT so liberal as you appear to believe me to be.


The thing that the Democrats are claiming to be, "immoral, unethical, and/or despicable", that is the "Trumpian" Republicans' attempts to essentially destroy what America has of democracy, that and the myriad of things the "Trumpian" Republicans are trying, and in some cases succeeding in doing, that will do nothing but harm American citizens, primarily the less fortunate ones.

Now you have also asserted that the MSM "MSM REGULARLY states left wing CTs as factual news". Okay, please point out some of these that I must have either glazed over or missed entirely. I genuinely would like to know what the MSM has been pushing that isn't reality. I will admit that I don't always have time for televised news, don't like listening to the news on the radio and typically get my news from news feeds on my phone and the internet, both written and videos. I avoid sensationalized stories and/or save those for last. I prefer the more "prescient" and less salacious news. It is highly likely that I could have EASILY missed the CTs of which you speak due to my own proclivities and preferences. That is on me and my limited free time. You can help me with that, point out to me what I have missed.



I have in the past looked into such allegations and did so again just now. As I found with past attempts, the allegation that you are making DOES stand true, though the severity of the false and/or faulty reporting falls a tad lacking, especially when compared to the over hyped CTs that we find with much of the RW media's falsified "facts". The events that I find with the MSM reporting false information, it typically deals with a trivial part of the overall story. Such as with the Paul Manafort passing polling data to Russian oligarchs issue, Manafort passed the polling data to Ukrainian oligarchs Serhiy Lyovochkin, a pro-Russian, Ukrainian oligarch & Rinat , a pro-Russian, Ukrainian oligarch, and NOT to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch. A distinction with no actual REAL difference. The information was bound for Russia regardless of whether it was passed to pro-Russian, Ukrainian oligarchs or just straight to Russian oligarchs. Not much of an attempt to paint a false picture there. The INTENTION of Manafort in passing that data to the oligarchs was to get it to Russia so that Russia could assist Trump, does it matter whether it passed through pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarchs or Russian oligarchs? Can one be more pedantic? Perhaps that one isn't one YOU were concerned about, it certainly concerned some on the RW, they went nuts over it. Please, point to the examples YOU are concerned about, I will delve in and see what I see.


What I see is that the MSM DID post retractions, even IF weakly and perhaps not consistently. It is more than I have seen from some RW media over much larger scandals. Take for instance, the "Hilary spied on the Trump administration" scandal that fell flat as the "events" occurred during the Obama administration. What? Were they using time traveling hacks" Notice that when John Durham pointed out the fake allegations supposedly based on his reports and court filings, those same RW media outlets that were hyping these false allegations to the heavens, they went REAL quiet afterwards with NO retractions... Yeah, I think I should definitely trust media that DOESN'T retract their allegations when proven false over media that DOES... Wait... Did I just say that backwards? Case not made...

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

quote: "ust pointing out that I AM NOT so liberal as you appear to believe me to be."
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and bobs around in the water, I don't care if you call it a turkey. It's still a duck.
Goodnight.

SSDD

Precisely the way I KNOW you to be an easily deceived Trumplican. You fall for the lies of RW media and politicians so easily. Though, in my case... Yeah, "If it walks like" someone that can tell fantasy from reality, quacks like someone that can tell fantasy from reality, and bobs around in the water" like someone that can tell fantasy from reality, it must be a liberal, right? Wrong, not everyone that resisted the Kool-Aid is a Democrat, some of us are non-partisan, some are Republican, strangely enough, some are even Libertarian and yes, Many of the rest are Democrats or Progressives. Me personally, I am not Republican, Libertarian, Democrat or Progressive, I am more centrist or non-partisan. You know, the thing you don't believe exists. It would seem that you suffer the same affliction that it seems ALL Trumplicans are afflicted with, the inability to perceive the world as anything other than binary. The whole world knows of reality, the fact that the world is NOT binary. There are many states of things and many shades of colors or light and dark. Some things CAN be looked at in a binary sense, moving, not moving, alive, dead, black, white, but even those things have shades or additional states. Rejoin reality and see the world the way it is meant to be seen, it really isn't that scary of a place.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

Does it make you feel smart to state the obvious? Of COURSE the world is not binary. There are a infinite shades of gray between black and white. And then there are colors. You think I am a Trump supporter, and I am, but only because I agree with most (not all) of his policies. I am an independent, if you want a label. I voted for Trump in 2016 ONLY because Hillary's proposed policies were SO terribly bad. it was not personal at all. I voted for Trump while holding my nose. But he proved himself with successful workable realistic policies. I have never followed a person. I either agree or disagree with individual actions or policies. You say I do not believe in centrists? You are mistaken. I know a great many people who are exactly that. Some lean a little to the right, some a little to the left.
What I do NOT believe is that you are one of them. Are you like me? Do you evaluate each proposal, each policy, each bill on its merits and its probable consequences? Perhaps, but by all indications, if you do, you always swing to the left. I suspect that is always a foregone conclusion with you. Thus, my inclination to believe that you are not a centrist nor a non-partisan, but another wildly self-deluded liberal, who sees facts, but still chooses to pursue the fantasy.
I could be wrong. i do not know you except by your posts.

martsiva

You are not non-partisan when you support the biased left wing MSM and say a Trump supporter is deceived!! It is YOU who promotes fantasy and not the reality of what the Democrats have done to this country!! You can spin any way you want but your posts tell us what you really are - Democrat supporting leftist!!

martsiva

'Republicans trying to destroy democracy' when it`s the Democrats who have openly supported Marxist communism!! You gonna deny that?? The MSM that you think is more truthful is biased beyond belief!! The MSM has been pushing lies about this experimental drug being a 'vaccine' when it takes years to produce a safe and effective vaccine- not the months it took to roll out this drug!! The MSM has been hyping for the Democrats and their totally illegal mandates to try and force Americans to take this experimental drug!! Are you denying that the Democrats bought and paid for the fake dossier against Trump?? Who said that the allegations in his report are false? You or are you believing the biased MSM again?? Are you going to deny the damage the Democrats have done to this country??

SSDD

How would YOU know what way I swing? I have not commented on what policies I like or dislike. See, That is how I know you lie. You ASSUME that since I see Trump and his minions for who and what they are, that I would be a leftist, you assume incorrectly. Personally, I do not care what you think since you come off to me as... If there were to be only one thing that I couldn't tolerate, It would likely be lying scumbags. Am I saying you might be one? Maybe I am, maybe I ain't, that is for me to know and others' to guess.


As for your "maverick", policy, not politician stance... Pardon me if I am a tad skeptical, I have seen far too many Trumplicans lie about their stance. Trumplicans, in my experience, are no less dishonest or more honest than Trump himself and with Trump, the best way to know whether he is lying or not is to see if his lips are moving.

SSDD

I am not prone to lying, I am assuming that you can't HONESTLY make that same claim...


With that, I say, good day to you.

SSDD

I say again, good day to you.

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

I have never lied to anyone on OPP. I'm not about to start with you. My Lord and my King Jesus Christ would not be happy with me if I did, and that is far and away the most important thing to me.
Therefore you can believe me when I say I grinned when I read your post. If you really believe that you are open minded and centrist, then fine with me. But you may want to go back and check out your posts, because they most CERTAINLY do not reflect anything but a hard left wing mentality. IMO.

martsiva

What - you didn`t like me pointing out the obvious?? Please point out where you have criticized Biden and the Democrats for the damage they have done to this country! Please point out where you criticized Biden and the Democrats for breaking our immigration laws and creating the mess at the border and allowing 1000s of unvetted illegals into this country! Please point out where you criticized Biden`s illegal mandates trying to force Americans to take a shot of an experimental drug! I can go on if you want but I would like to know just where you criticized any of the things I`ve posted.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

If evolution is a fact why do they call it THE THEORY of evolution?