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Feb 22, 2022 16:46:03   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
I am confused. Why on earth is the Russia-Ukraine border war our business?
It is seven or eight time zones way and with little in the way oF crucial trade for us.
There is little evidence to suspect that Putin will conduct a blood bath if he topples the government.

Our only concern might be from the oil supply across the border and that stems from this administration’s decision to cave into the radical environmentalists’ demands about the XL pipeline. Why worry about the price of gasoline to Americans when you want to appease America haters?

Taiwan is another matter. If Putin is successful in Ukraine, it could spur China to attack it but that may occur anyway. Taiwan is our major source of semiconductors and our prices of automobiles, especially used cars, have soared.
And based upon its history in Tibet and with the Oihhurs, a blood bath is likely to ensue.

That said. It is important to remember that China is communist partly because the left in the West , especially America, backed Mao Zedong over CrXhiang Kai-Shek, right from the get-go. Led by John Stuart Service and The New York Times they covered up all of his massacres and atrocities. They agonized over his corruption, leaving it up to the people to infer Mao’s honesty. He was a bloodthirsty tyrant
who tolerated no opposition and accepted only his bootlickers in government.

Why are we involved?

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Feb 22, 2022 16:57:08   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I am confused. Why on earth is the Russia-Ukraine border war our business?
It is seven or eight time zones way and with little in the way oF crucial trade for us.
There is little evidence to suspect that Putin will conduct a blood bath if he topples the government.

Our only concern might be from the oil supply across the border and that stems from this administration’s decision to cave into the radical environmentalists’ demands about the XL pipeline. Why worry about the price of gasoline to Americans when you want to appease America haters?

Taiwan is another matter. If Putin is successful in Ukraine, it could spur China to attack it but that may occur anyway. Taiwan is our major source of semiconductors and our prices of automobiles, especially used cars, have soared.
And based upon its history in Tibet and with the Oihhurs, a blood bath is likely to ensue.

That said. It is important to remember that China is communist partly because the left in the West , especially America, backed Mao Zedong over CrXhiang Kai-Shek, right from the get-go. Led by John Stuart Service and The New York Times they covered up all of his massacres and atrocities. They agonized over his corruption, leaving it up to the people to infer Mao’s honesty. He was a bloodthirsty tyrant
who tolerated no opposition and accepted only his bootlickers in government.

Why are we involved?
I am confused. Why on earth is the Russia-Ukraine... (show quote)


crazy, Good question. I think the answer is obvious. Bullies like Putin will go as far as we let him. Where do we draw the line, Poland, Spain? how about New York or Ohio? The allies practiced a foreign policy with the nazis. It was called appeasement. They let Hitler take, Czechoslovakia, Austria, The Rhineland. Il Duce took Ethiopia, and Albania. The Japanese took thousands of miles of sea lanes, Indo-China, Mongolia, and parts of China. All this looking the other way whenever the Axis countries led directly to World War 11. The Brits and French no longer believe in this policy, either should we. For better or worse, we are a super power, and have vital interests all over the globe that must be protected.

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Feb 22, 2022 17:44:55   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
crazy, Good question. I think the answer is obvious. Bullies like Putin will go as far as we let him. Where do we draw the line, Poland, Spain? how about New York or Ohio? The allies practiced a foreign policy with the nazis. It was called appeasement. They let Hitler take, Czechoslovakia, Austria, The Rhineland. Il Duce took Ethiopia, and Albania. The Japanese took thousands of miles of sea lanes, Indo-China, Mongolia, and parts of China. All this looking the other way whenever the Axis countries led directly to World War 11. The Brits and French no longer believe in this policy, either should we. For better or worse, we are a super power, and have vital interests all over the globe that must be protected.
crazy, Good question. I think the answer is obviou... (show quote)


We will do very little. The EU doesn't want Putin stopped. Much of Ukraine doesn't want him stopped. But Biden wants to somehow salvages a political win out of it and he is failing miserably.

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Feb 22, 2022 18:22:19   #
American Vet
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
We will do very little. The EU doesn't want Putin stopped. Much of Ukraine doesn't want him stopped. But Biden wants to somehow salvages a political win out of it and he is failing miserably.



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Feb 22, 2022 18:30:13   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
crazy, Good question. I think the answer is obvious. Bullies like Putin will go as far as we let him. Where do we draw the line, Poland, Spain? how about New York or Ohio? The allies practiced a foreign policy with the nazis. It was called appeasement. They let Hitler take, Czechoslovakia, Austria, The Rhineland. Il Duce took Ethiopia, and Albania. The Japanese took thousands of miles of sea lanes, Indo-China, Mongolia, and parts of China. All this looking the other way whenever the Axis countries led directly to World War 11. The Brits and French no longer believe in this policy, either should we. For better or worse, we are a super power, and have vital interests all over the globe that must be protected.
crazy, Good question. I think the answer is obviou... (show quote)




That's not really a good comparison. Poland is a part of NATO. We have treaties with Poland. There is no treaty with Ukraine, nor are they in ANYWAY the responsibility of NATO.

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Feb 22, 2022 18:32:55   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I am confused. Why on earth is the Russia-Ukraine border war our business?
It is seven or eight time zones way and with little in the way oF crucial trade for us.
There is little evidence to suspect that Putin will conduct a blood bath if he topples the government.

Our only concern might be from the oil supply across the border and that stems from this administration’s decision to cave into the radical environmentalists’ demands about the XL pipeline. Why worry about the price of gasoline to Americans when you want to appease America haters?

Taiwan is another matter. If Putin is successful in Ukraine, it could spur China to attack it but that may occur anyway. Taiwan is our major source of semiconductors and our prices of automobiles, especially used cars, have soared.
And based upon its history in Tibet and with the Oihhurs, a blood bath is likely to ensue.

That said. It is important to remember that China is communist partly because the left in the West , especially America, backed Mao Zedong over CrXhiang Kai-Shek, right from the get-go. Led by John Stuart Service and The New York Times they covered up all of his massacres and atrocities. They agonized over his corruption, leaving it up to the people to infer Mao’s honesty. He was a bloodthirsty tyrant
who tolerated no opposition and accepted only his bootlickers in government.

Why are we involved?
I am confused. Why on earth is the Russia-Ukraine... (show quote)


NATO and the destabilization of Europe.

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Feb 22, 2022 18:35:07   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
the waker wrote:
That's not really a good comparison. Poland is a part of NATO. We have treaties with Poland. There is no treaty with Ukraine, nor are they in ANYWAY the responsibility of NATO.


Russia wants to make sure Ukraine is never admitted to NATO

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Feb 22, 2022 18:41:42   #
woodguru
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I am confused. Why on earth is the Russia-Ukraine border war our business?


Of course you are confused, the misinformation you are being barraged with would confuse anyone that operates on beliefs rather than facts.

Shutting down autocrats and dictators is our business

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Feb 22, 2022 18:44:54   #
woodguru
 
the waker wrote:
That's not really a good comparison. Poland is a part of NATO. We have treaties with Poland. There is no treaty with Ukraine, nor are they in ANYWAY the responsibility of NATO.


Ukraine is of key strategic value to NATO countries and Europe

Russia is taking over other countries step by step, and announced that as far as he is concerned what was once Russian still is.

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Feb 22, 2022 18:57:25   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
NATO and the destabilization of Europe.


There is no NATO think going about this. It is about non-NATO countries and their combined histories. How can the US stabilized Europe? This is what Trump was talking about. The countries of NATO need to take care of their part of the world and stop relying on us from the other side. If they need to beef up their militaries, then they need to get with it!!

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Feb 22, 2022 19:01:20   #
Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
There is no NATO think going about this. It is about non-NATO countries and their combined histories. How can the US stabilized Europe? This is what Trump was talking about. The countries of NATO need to take care of their part of the world and stop relying on us from the other side. If they need to beef up their militaries, then they need to get with it!!


Wow, before posting, why don't you do a little research. Find out what it is Putin wants. Since the dissolution of the USSR, Russia has become surrounded by countries that have been admitted to NATO. Don't bring Trump into it, he's irrelevant now as far a this goes.

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Feb 22, 2022 19:19:07   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
woodguru wrote:
Ukraine is of key strategic value to NATO countries and Europe

Russia is taking over other countries step by step, and announced that as far as he is concerned what was once Russian still is.


So, sanctioning the separatists will fix it? LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems to me that these little dweebs who have taken over Ukraine since 2014 are just corrupt and can't hold the country together. But Ukraine is big, has a big military and plenty to trade for weapons and military up grade, but the fact remains that they want to be taken care of, just like democrats.

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Feb 22, 2022 19:21:49   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
Wow, before posting, why don't you do a little research. Find out what it is Putin wants. Since the dissolution of the USSR, Russia has become surrounded by countries that have been admitted to NATO. Don't bring Trump into it, he's irrelevant now as far a this goes.


I only mention Trump as it pertains to him wanting NATO to take care of their own business, and build up their defenses so as to no rely on the US. I have written about what I think Putin wants. Go find my remarks and respond to them. And speak to some folks from there AND Russia why don't you.

What about post is incorrect??? or do you disagree with. Simple, right??

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Feb 22, 2022 19:31:18   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
crazy, Good question. I think the answer is obvious. Bullies like Putin will go as far as we let him. Where do we draw the line, Poland, Spain? how about New York or Ohio? The allies practiced a foreign policy with the nazis. It was called appeasement. They let Hitler take, Czechoslovakia, Austria, The Rhineland. Il Duce took Ethiopia, and Albania. The Japanese took thousands of miles of sea lanes, Indo-China, Mongolia, and parts of China. All this looking the other way whenever the Axis countries led directly to World War 11. The Brits and French no longer believe in this policy, either should we. For better or worse, we are a super power, and have vital interests all over the globe that must be protected.
crazy, Good question. I think the answer is obviou... (show quote)

Yada yada yada. So tell me oh wise one; what vital interest is there that justifies the certain loss of American lives should we enter into war in the Ukraine? Those gong to fight this war should consider it a one way ticket and realize they’re on their own for returning to the U.S.; all based on this administration’s handling of and the citizens deserted in the Afghanistan debacle.

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Feb 22, 2022 19:50:58   #
Grandpa Rick
 
When the Sovier Union dissolved several years ago the Ukraine held about one-third of its nuclear weapons. The Ukraine gave them all up in return for assurances of protection. That is a major reason for our involvement. Another, I suspect, is because Putin is saying and doing in the Ukraine exactly what Hitler did in Sudetenland. Another is that if Putin is unchallenged he is likely to try the same thing with other former members of the Soviet Union, the breakup of which he considers a great national tragedy.

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