Liberty Tree

The Sons Of Liberty

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Suffragettes.

elledee

So it wasn't the Jews

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

The Jews ?

RobertV2

I'll be a Liberal in this post (and usually). The First American Terrorists: I would look back in time to before this was called "America". Anyone who used violence unnecessarily _might_ reasonably be considered a terrorist. So, for example, if one native tribe made a violent attack on another, unnecessary to the first tribe's survival, then there was probably some terrorism involved.

If it was necessary to the first tribe's survival, then, while the violent attack might still be a form of terrorism, I might just call it war.

Then, starting from the time this was called America, the First Terrorists _in_ America were the crew of Christopher Columbus and probably himself also, in the way they treated the natives.

Then, starting from the time people identified themselves as "Americans", the First American Terrorists were themselves (the "Americans"), and that occurred most of the times when they inflicted violence upon the Native Americans (called "Indians").

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Our founding fathers.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Obviously you have no idea at all what the 1200+ "Native American" tribes were up to before the Europeans ever discovered this continent.

Many were at war with each other, they raped, tortured, enslaved, and massacred members of opposing tribes.
They fought over land and resources.
The Commanche, for example, are considered the most vicious of the warring tribes,
the Commanche were far more brutal in their treatment of people of other tribes than they were in their treatment of "whites". They were especially mean to women.

America is named after Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer who set forth the then revolutionary concept that the lands that Christopher Columbus sailed to in 1492 were part of a separate continent. A map created in 1507 by Martin Waldseemüller was the first to depict this new continent with the name "America," a Latinized version of "Amerigo."

woodguru

I would have guessed ranchers discouraging legal settlers on open range land they had been running cattle on

RobertV2

That's why I included them in my list. That's when I wrote: "So, for example, if one native tribe made a violent attack on another, unnecessary to the first tribe's survival, then there was probably some terrorism involved." But maybe you weren't satisfied, that I didn't made them look evil enough compared with the invading European illegal immigrants who tried to wipe most of them out and ethnically cleanse the remainder. The behavior of Columbus's crew was worse than what had been going on before (in the part of the Americas where _they_ landed); you'd be wrong if you lump all the native American tribes together as mere savages; there was a wide variety of them and a wide variety of how their cultures worked; the encounter between Columbus's crew and the friendly natives on the island they landed on was described by Bartolome de las Casas and it was really awful and totally undeserved abuse upon the natives. Besides all that, the natives were here first and the Europeans were usurpers. The Europeans (not all of them, of course, but generally in the long-term effects they had culturally, especially in the Americas) were arrogant dehumanizers and usurping invaders. I'd say "disrespecting" but maybe "arrogant dehumanizers" already covers that part.

If you want to compare the great big groups culturally (native Americans in America and native Europeans in Europe), part of the European behavior to take into account is the Spanish Inquisition. Much earlier, while the native Americans were doing whatever they were doing, the Romans were crucifying Christians and various other people, primarily to terrorize whole groups of people.

(Addendum: If you want to know more about what the native Americans were like and the encounters between them and the European newcomers, you could read the book _1491_. I guess you won't; you're too busy saying things like "Obviously you have no idea at all". Thank you for the bit of information about Amerigo Vespucci, which is not what I had heard about him, but may be true, I suppose, anyway.)

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I grew up among Indians,
went to high school on a reservation,
was the only white man in my graduating class,
and I became a blood brother to a Lakota (Oglala).

I joined them in their celebrations,
danced and chanted and beat the drums,
wore beaded buckskins and feathers.

I hunted with Indians,
played their games,
attended their weddings
and funerals.

I don't need to read a book on "what the native Americans were like and the encounters between them and the European newcomers."

The Most Violent Era In America Was Before Europeans Arrived

Whose Land Did Native Americans Steal Before Europeans Stole It From Them?

We all know that history is not the left’s favorite subject. Many times, it’s just too inconvenient for their political narratives. Often, history has to be erased or submerged in order to achieve the “greater good” of creating a just and moral society.

In truth, it’s not much better on the right, although generally, the conservative take on American history is more nuanced. Christopher Columbus was an ass — a greedy, cruel, ambitious man who didn’t let anyone stand in his way to achieving riches and power, especially native people. But he was courageous enough to cross an unknown ocean in a rickety ship and with a mutinous crew.

Do his sins outweigh the good he’s done? Not our call. And certainly not the call of biased, cretinous leftists who don’t want to understand Columbus and only use his sins as illustrations in their little morality plays to condemn the entire “Age of Exploration.”

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Native Americans before Columbus lived short, brutal lives — just like white people in Europe did. They could be just as devious as any white Europeans. They could lie like white Europeans. They could kill just like white Europeans. Native Americans didn’t need white Europeans to teach them these things.

Antimarxist21

Susan b.Anthony and her fellow eugenics followers.
(All followers of Ms.Margaret Sanger)

RobertV2

Good for you, if you did all that. Did you ask your blood brother what happened when Columbus landed and how he and his crew treated the natives there?