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Feb 12, 2022 18:28:25   #
martsiva
 
permafrost wrote:
We do not want the destruction of America , that is why we can accept those outliers who oppose and fight the orange mob who attempts to bring down America and put a dictator into office who would end the country as it has been for over 200 years.. only fools and those in cahoots with the evil wanna be ruler would ever say the things you trump cult right wingers post and claim to believe..


OH yes you and your disgusting ilk DO want the destruction of America and you prove it all the time with your support of all the destruction the Democrats have done!! You support the Democrats who have blatantly shown their support for Marxist communism, which is the goal of communists to bring down this country!! Any more bold face lies you want to post??

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Feb 12, 2022 18:43:59   #
guzzimaestro
 
martsiva wrote:
You have just proven yourself to be a bold face liar when you say that Anti-fa is a 'fine grass roots group' when all here have seen the videos of them attacking Trump supporters and even the elderly!! You have also proven that are against freedom when you complain about these truckers who are fighting for freedom from these illegal mandates!! You have also proven yourself to be a traitor to this republic when you support the destruction the Democrats have done to this country!!!!


Great!

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Feb 12, 2022 18:46:07   #
fullspinzoo
 
martsiva wrote:
OH yes you and your disgusting ilk DO want the destruction of America and you prove it all the time with your support of all the destruction the Democrats have done!! You support the Democrats who have blatantly shown their support for Marxist communism, which is the goal of communists to bring down this country!! Any more bold face lies you want to post??


Spot on revealing just out of touch this guy is.

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Feb 12, 2022 18:46:18   #
martsiva
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Right on, martsiva!!! You have him pegged to a tee. Well said. Why anybody bothers with this traitor to this country..... ?


Thank you but Perma himself, proved my point with all of his posts supporting what the Democrats have done!!

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Feb 12, 2022 18:49:24   #
fullspinzoo
 
martsiva wrote:
Thank you but Perma himself, proved my point with all of his posts supporting what the Democrats have done!!


I've gone back and forth with this guy for at least 4 years. Why?, I don't know.

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Feb 12, 2022 18:53:53   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
You’re obvious talking to the wrong person or didn’t understand what I said. I meant who cares what grandpa’s opinion is.
martsiva wrote:
'To act in the public`s interest'??? You are a shallow, petty man who doesn`t give a damn about public interests when you ignore the REAL threat to the public`s interests which is all the damage that the Democrats have done to this country!!!! I find you and those like you to be repugnant who ignore the real problems we have that are NOT in the public`s interest!! You are a hypocrite!!!

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Feb 12, 2022 19:07:34   #
EmilyD
 
JFlorio wrote:
You’re obvious talking to the wrong person or didn’t understand what I said. I meant who cares what grandpa’s opinion is.


I read that and thought the same thing. I think it's a misunderstanding....

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Feb 12, 2022 19:48:57   #
jelun
 
Trump isn't worth giving any thought to, just like his pals Albert, Clinton, and Epstein.


Grandpa Rick wrote:
Recent revelations about Trump's handling of presidential documents is likely to start a new round of attacks and defenses, usually ad hominem but almost certainly to rehash his perceived (according to your political view) successes and failures. Defenders will accuse attackers of Trump Derangement Syndrome, and call them "Trump haters".

I don't hate Trump; I despise (feel contempt or deep repugnance for) him. I'll tell you why, and offer the materials I rely on for this opinion so you can judge for yourself. But I want to make it clear from the outset that I am dealing with the person, not the politician, so please don't try to refute me by reciting all the "good" things he did.

One other preliminary point: Trump is well known for rushing to the courts for relief. The fact that apparently he did not do so for the first two occurrences I'm about to discuss gives rise to a pretty strong inference of veracity.

When Trump first became a serious presidential candidate I wanted to learn more about him, so I went to the internet. Two articles came up that I found significant. You can read them, and related articles, for yourself. Just google "trump bulgari jewelry" and "trump deposition perjury article". Here are brief summaries:

Bulgari: Forbes magazine reports on a history of conspiracy to evade New York tax laws in which Trump was an active participant. He escaped conviction by turning on the Bulgari jewelry company. Go to the web for details of the duration and extent of Trump's involvement, and consider this: why would a rich man like Trump engage in a criminal operation for a relatively small return? Conclusion: Trump is not only a crook, but a cheap one to boot. Inference: if he is willing to engage in one criminal enterprise for a relatively small return, he willing to engage in others. Areas of suspicion: the Trump Foundation; the lawsuit brought by his niece; the current investigations by New York and Georgia.

Deposition: This article appeared in Newsweek. Google will also show several related articles. Cynics often tell us that "all politicians lie", and sadly, they are pretty much right. But how would you like to be in court with your life or liberty on the line and hear a police officer lie? Or be a victim in a civil or criminal case listening to a defendant and his friends lie? I'm a retired trial lawyer, and I have to acknowledge that I've lost cases where I am convinced the other side fabricated testimony. If you have a lawyer, ask him or her about lying witnesses.

If your oath means nothing when a personal interest is at stake, can I rely on you to act in the public interest rather than your own?

As time passed, other incidents came to light. Google "trump central park 5 article", and put it together with Trump (and his father) being sued by the Justice Department in 1973 for discriminating against black rental applicants, his repeal during his presidency of a rule intended to combat historical racial discrimination in housing, and his (in)famous comment on Charleston, about good people on both sides. Even if you're not prepared to infer racism you must admit a insensitivity to a substantial percentage of our population that is inappropriate to one who is supposed to lead us all.

And the word "inappropriate" brings to mind his attitude towards and conduct with women.

As to his propensity for fraud, we learned that he avoided the prospect of military service because of shin splints, diagnosed by a doctor who was a tenant of his father. Fortunately, they weren't so severe as to keep him from playing golf. Much more serious, however, was the Trump University scandal. For many years I taught law as an adjunct professor (translation: minimum paid lecturer) at a law school that focused on law as either a second career or to further a current career. Students paid a lot of money to try to enhance their earning ability, often sacrificing time with their family and common pleasures (movies, dining out) for financial reasons. I developed a lot of respect for my students, which is why I have great sympathy for the Trump University students who were defrauded of both time and money. Trumped coughed up $25 million to settle the lawsuit.

Current fraud problems involve real estate valuations in the context of both loan applications and property tax evaluations. It's fair to assume some court action is on the horizon.

Conclusion: I've given you several examples showing Trump's immorality. I could go on but I've probably exhausted your patience. Suffice it to say that I have a deep repugnance for Trump's conduct as described, and for that reason have nothing but contempt for the man. "Hatred", which is defined as "intense ill will", is insufficient to describe my feelings about him.
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Feb 12, 2022 19:51:54   #
fullspinzoo
 
jelun wrote:
Trump isn't worth giving any thought to, just like his pals Albert, Clinton, and Epstein.


What, did they finally let you out of prison????? Not a joke.

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Feb 12, 2022 20:12:35   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Recent revelations about Trump's handling of presidential documents is likely to start a new round of attacks and defenses, usually ad hominem but almost certainly to rehash his perceived (according to your political view) successes and failures. Defenders will accuse attackers of Trump Derangement Syndrome, and call them "Trump haters".

I don't hate Trump; I despise (feel contempt or deep repugnance for) him. I'll tell you why, and offer the materials I rely on for this opinion so you can judge for yourself. But I want to make it clear from the outset that I am dealing with the person, not the politician, so please don't try to refute me by reciting all the "good" things he did.

One other preliminary point: Trump is well known for rushing to the courts for relief. The fact that apparently he did not do so for the first two occurrences I'm about to discuss gives rise to a pretty strong inference of veracity.

When Trump first became a serious presidential candidate I wanted to learn more about him, so I went to the internet. Two articles came up that I found significant. You can read them, and related articles, for yourself. Just google "trump bulgari jewelry" and "trump deposition perjury article". Here are brief summaries:

Bulgari: Forbes magazine reports on a history of conspiracy to evade New York tax laws in which Trump was an active participant. He escaped conviction by turning on the Bulgari jewelry company. Go to the web for details of the duration and extent of Trump's involvement, and consider this: why would a rich man like Trump engage in a criminal operation for a relatively small return? Conclusion: Trump is not only a crook, but a cheap one to boot. Inference: if he is willing to engage in one criminal enterprise for a relatively small return, he willing to engage in others. Areas of suspicion: the Trump Foundation; the lawsuit brought by his niece; the current investigations by New York and Georgia.

Deposition: This article appeared in Newsweek. Google will also show several related articles. Cynics often tell us that "all politicians lie", and sadly, they are pretty much right. But how would you like to be in court with your life or liberty on the line and hear a police officer lie? Or be a victim in a civil or criminal case listening to a defendant and his friends lie? I'm a retired trial lawyer, and I have to acknowledge that I've lost cases where I am convinced the other side fabricated testimony. If you have a lawyer, ask him or her about lying witnesses.

If your oath means nothing when a personal interest is at stake, can I rely on you to act in the public interest rather than your own?

As time passed, other incidents came to light. Google "trump central park 5 article", and put it together with Trump (and his father) being sued by the Justice Department in 1973 for discriminating against black rental applicants, his repeal during his presidency of a rule intended to combat historical racial discrimination in housing, and his (in)famous comment on Charleston, about good people on both sides. Even if you're not prepared to infer racism you must admit a insensitivity to a substantial percentage of our population that is inappropriate to one who is supposed to lead us all.

And the word "inappropriate" brings to mind his attitude towards and conduct with women.

As to his propensity for fraud, we learned that he avoided the prospect of military service because of shin splints, diagnosed by a doctor who was a tenant of his father. Fortunately, they weren't so severe as to keep him from playing golf. Much more serious, however, was the Trump University scandal. For many years I taught law as an adjunct professor (translation: minimum paid lecturer) at a law school that focused on law as either a second career or to further a current career. Students paid a lot of money to try to enhance their earning ability, often sacrificing time with their family and common pleasures (movies, dining out) for financial reasons. I developed a lot of respect for my students, which is why I have great sympathy for the Trump University students who were defrauded of both time and money. Trumped coughed up $25 million to settle the lawsuit.

Current fraud problems involve real estate valuations in the context of both loan applications and property tax evaluations. It's fair to assume some court action is on the horizon.

Conclusion: I've given you several examples showing Trump's immorality. I could go on but I've probably exhausted your patience. Suffice it to say that I have a deep repugnance for Trump's conduct as described, and for that reason have nothing but contempt for the man. "Hatred", which is defined as "intense ill will", is insufficient to describe my feelings about him.
Recent revelations about Trump's handling of presi... (show quote)


Such feelings will lead to physical maladies to go along with your mental issues.

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Feb 12, 2022 20:30:29   #
son of witless
 
jelun wrote:
Trump isn't worth giving any thought to, just like his pals Albert, Clinton, and Epstein.


Sure he is. You guys got nothing else. Your boy Joe is going down the tubes. Fantasizing about Donald J. Trump going to jail is the only escape you guys have.

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Feb 12, 2022 21:19:20   #
fullspinzoo
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Blade runner: faithful to Melania?
Does the name Stormy Daniels ring a bell? And apparently he paid for it. Both up front and for hush money later.
P.s. you shouldn't engage in name calling. It's juvenile. Which means many people will think less of you and of your opinions.

When you come <p the worst rebuttal, you have to be put in your place, sonny.

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Feb 12, 2022 21:20:23   #
martsiva
 
JFlorio wrote:
You’re obvious talking to the wrong person or didn’t understand what I said. I meant who cares what grandpa’s opinion is.


Sorry - wrong person - my bad!!

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Feb 12, 2022 21:35:50   #
fullspinzoo
 
slatten49 wrote:
What was the strangest lie told about the 2020 US presidential election?

The idea that voter fraud impacted the results. This is a statistical impossibility.

The highest rate of voter fraud ever found in the US is 0.0025%, or 1 in 40,000 votes. With 160 million votes cast nationwide, that’s 4,000 fraudulent votes ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY.

Biden’s win margin in 2020 exceeded 4,000 votes in every state he won, so it’s laughable that fraud could have changed the results.

Biden won Georgia by the closest margin, about 0.23%. There, Biden and Trump combined for 4,935,487 votes. Statistically, no more than 124 of those votes were fraudulent, and Biden won by a margin of 11,779 votes—about 95 times that number. So for Trump to have only lost that state due to fraud, we would have needed to see 95 times as much fraud in that state as ever found to have happened before in American history, all of that fraud would have had to have been for Biden, and this would have had to have happened invisibly under the watchful eyes of the Republicans who controlled the state. This is absolutely impossible.

But suppose Biden pulled off the greatest election fraud in history in Georgia—almost a hundred times greater than any election in history. Without Georgia, Biden still wins. So now we have to see an even greater degree of fraud in Arizona—120 times more than ever before, and even without Georgia and Arizona, Biden still wins. So now we have to see over 250 times the fraud in Wisconsin. And if that happened, it’s an electoral tie.

So if Biden gets 100 times as many fraudulent votes as ever in history in two states under Republican control, and 250 times that amount in one swing state, then it’s possible he stole the election. You’d have to be a complete idiot to think that was possible. So that lie is the strangest, because it defies all reason.
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What a waste of time. Eight more million votes than the first black HISTORIC President?? Give me a break.

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Feb 12, 2022 21:45:42   #
fullspinzoo
 
martsiva wrote:
Sorry - wrong person - my bad!!


Mr. Florio is definitely one of the good guys. Thks for correcting that.

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