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Feb 12, 2022 16:36:13   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
How would Democrats supposedly cheat the election? Trumpers say there was fraud, but I haven't heard anyone credibly explain "how" they did it.

Read the transcript of Trump’s 1/6 speech. Don’t try to do it in one sitting or you’ll start feeling suicidal. But it’s worth reading. He rambles on incoherently about maybe a dozen conspiracy theories.

Here’s the key ideas:

It’s impossible for Biden to have gotten 81 million votes. Why? Because Trump thought he could win with 66 million. Trump calls Biden’s votes “computer votes”, insinuating they were digitally created.

States want to revote because they were tricked into voting for Biden, and Pence can refuse to accept the results and let the states redo the election.

Ballots counted after Trump went to bed on election night aren’t valid.

The Supreme Court hates Trump and likes to rule against him to prove he doesn’t control them.

Changes to election laws opened the door for fraud.

Voter rolls are full of dead people, non-citizens, and people who have moved out of state.

People received as many as seven mail-in ballots.

Pennsylvania counted 205,000 more votes than they had voters. 8,000 dead people voted there. 14,000 votes were cast out of state. 10,000 were illegally counted after election day. 60,000 mail-in ballots were received before they were mailed out.

In Wisconsin, 91,000 votes were collected in illegal drop boxes. 170,000 absentee ballots were counted without applications for ballots being filed. 17,000 ballots were stuffed into duffel bags. 100,000 ballots were backdated.
Georgia didn’t reject enough absentee ballots, so logically tens of thousands of illegal ballots were added.

Registered voters weren’t asked if they were citizens so that illegal immigrants could vote. 10,300 dead people voted. 2,500 imprisoned felons voted illegally. 4,500 people voted who weren’t registered. 18,000 voters listed vacant buildings as their home address. 88,000 people had their voter registration backdated so they could vote. 66,000 minors voted. 15,000 people voted from out of state. Dominion voting machines counted votes wrong 93% of the time.

In Arizona, 36,000 non-citizens voted. 22,000 ballots were returned before they were mailed out. 150,000 voters registered after the deadline.

In Nevada, 130,000 ballots were counted without proper signature verification. 42,000 people voted twice. 1,500 dead people voted. 8,000 people who voted had no valid address. Somehow 150,000 people were physically injured by this.

In Michigan, 17,000 dead people voted. 174,000 ballots were cast that weren’t tied to a registered voter. Some ballots were recounted four or five times. Voter turnout in Detroit was 139%. Tens of thousands of ballots were counted after the deadline and all of them were for Biden. 6,000 votes were switched from Trump to Biden in one county.

He also had a rant about Hunter Biden, and claimed that his border wall had been built.

Obviously all of this is insane, and if it were true, then his lawyers would have argued these things in court, which they didn’t. Instead they just argued that changes to election laws were “unfair” but couldn’t state any way that the changes benefitted Democrats and hurt Republicans.

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Feb 12, 2022 16:39:39   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
What was the strangest lie told about the 2020 US presidential election?

The idea that voter fraud impacted the results. This is a statistical impossibility.

The highest rate of voter fraud ever found in the US is 0.0025%, or 1 in 40,000 votes. With 160 million votes cast nationwide, that’s 4,000 fraudulent votes ACROSS THE WHOLE COUNTRY.

Biden’s win margin in 2020 exceeded 4,000 votes in every state he won, so it’s laughable that fraud could have changed the results.

Biden won Georgia by the closest margin, about 0.23%. There, Biden and Trump combined for 4,935,487 votes. Statistically, no more than 124 of those votes were fraudulent, and Biden won by a margin of 11,779 votes—about 95 times that number. So for Trump to have only lost that state due to fraud, we would have needed to see 95 times as much fraud in that state as ever found to have happened before in American history, all of that fraud would have had to have been for Biden, and this would have had to have happened invisibly under the watchful eyes of the Republicans who controlled the state. This is absolutely impossible.

But suppose Biden pulled off the greatest election fraud in history in Georgia—almost a hundred times greater than any election in history. Without Georgia, Biden still wins. So now we have to see an even greater degree of fraud in Arizona—120 times more than ever before, and even without Georgia and Arizona, Biden still wins. So now we have to see over 250 times the fraud in Wisconsin. And if that happened, it’s an electoral tie.

So if Biden gets 100 times as many fraudulent votes as ever in history in two states under Republican control, and 250 times that amount in one swing state, then it’s possible he stole the election. You’d have to be a complete idiot to think that was possible. So that lie is the strangest, because it defies all reason.

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Feb 12, 2022 16:41:06   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
slatten49 wrote:
How would Democrats supposedly cheat the election? Trumpers say there was fraud, but I haven't heard anyone credibly explain "how" they did it.
Compilation: Evidence of Election Fraud Against Trump Voters, With Sources
It is almost too much to keep track of. The following is a running partial list of evidence, with notes. As usual in news, early reports are the most accurate before the spin machine gets hold of it and misrepresents the story. We recommend that when you do your own research to confirm these, use less-censored DuckDuckGo as a search engine.

Chairman of the Federal Election Commission, says “fraud is taking place” in key states. The chairman of the FEC is nominated by the president and confirmed by a vote of the US Senate.


* The Parallel Vote Dumps 100% for Biden in Michigan and Wisconsin, Two Critical Swing States, at Around the Same Time.

Although a 130,000-plus vote jump 100% vote jump for Biden which puts him in the lead might be explained away once, what are the chances of it happening twice, in two critical swing states, at about the same time frame very early in the morning? Although major media have struggled with “debunks” of two charts confirmed as authentic by FiveThirtyEight, none are remotely adequate. The charts are below.

* 6,000 votes erroneously flipped to Biden by precinct using Dominion vote-counting machines, Antrim County Michigan, before being caught by MI state representative. (Michigan Public Radio – “Republicans sound alarm on Antrim County election results.“) Michigan officials have changed the reason for this error, from numbers being accidentally transposed after being hand-entered from poll tapes into the central vote tabulator, to a failure to update the software. The difference one county made is small. The question is, in how many other counties using Dominion machines were votes flipped?

Status: So far no full statewide, public hand recount of ballots in Michigan. Michigan four-person state board has certified election before requested audit of Wayne County (Detroit). The certification comes after two Wayne County officials reversed course and voted to certify after initially refusing, but then said they regretted their votes to certify and that their families had been threatened. According to the Detroit Free Press, one of the Wayne County certifiers:

* A Wayne County, MI official observer says the top official at the Detroit vote counting center ignored her challenges of spoiled ballots and called them all for Biden, along with all other officials she confronted who were below him. Kristina Karamo also said she personally witnessed 30,000-plus ballots arriving at 3.a.m. , all for Biden. Because the top official of the entire vote counting center is involved, the testimony calls into question the integrity of the entire center’s results. Status: no investigation of observer’s testimony, no major media attention.

* An official monitor in the Wayne County vote counting center says she personally witnessed over 130,000 ballots being delivered between 2.a.m. and 4a.m., in a van accompanied by a Ferrari. This coincides with the time that Trump’s solid lead in MI vanished, in the wee hours of the morning. Status: no investigation of observer’s testimony, no major media attention.

Virginia: “It’s in the Code: Hanky-Panky in Virginia’s Votes” (The American Thinker) – Status: Allegations unaddressed by election officials, Virginia state GOP officials, or mainstream media. No “debunk” attempted.

Pennsylvania: At 11pm on election night Trump leads Biden by 700,000 votes, a 13% margin of victory. Then mail-in vote batches appear which give Biden the lead by the morning of November 6. On September 8, the PA Supreme Court ruled in advance that mail-in ballots with no postmarks or name and address can be counted. (Official ruling here)

* “[Michigan] Supreme Court has ruled that ballots without a postmark or proof of mailing will be presumed to be mailed by Election Day “unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was mail after Election Day.”

The court also ruled that mail ballots couldn’t be rejected on signature comparisons.
Also, Just the News reports that there are practically zero rejected mail-in ballots compared to previous years, when a typical rejection rate might be one percent:

“Mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania so far this year have been accepted at almost 30 times the rate predicted by historical rejection numbers, raising potential questions in a state in which Democratic challenger Joe Biden is maintaining a lead of just several thousand votes.”

* Also in PA: “Williams College Mathematician Flags up to 100,000 Ballots in Pennsylvania” (Epoch Times.) Federal Election Commission Chairman Trey Trainor said the professor is clearly qualified as an expert witness in almost any court in the United States and that the court would have to look at the information he has provided.

A dozen compelling allegations of voting irregularities in 2020 election
Evidence of Dominion Vote-Flipping Against Bernie Sanders in 2016 Boosts Trump Charges
Penn. Mail-In Vote Shows Formula Was Used to Erase Trump’s Overwhelming Lead on Election Night
Michigan Attorney General Attempts Election Interference by Intimidating Trump Lawsuit #DetroitLeaks Witness
Hammer and Scorecard EVIDENCE: The Moment the Vote-Flipping Occurs on CNN

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Feb 12, 2022 17:11:49   #
Radiance3
 
slatten49 wrote:
How would Democrats supposedly cheat the election? Trumpers say there was fraud, but I haven't heard anyone credibly explain "how" they did it.

Read the transcript of Trump’s 1/6 speech. Don’t try to do it in one sitting or you’ll start feeling suicidal. But it’s worth reading. He rambles on incoherently about maybe a dozen conspiracy theories.

Here’s the key ideas:

It’s impossible for Biden to have gotten 81 million votes. Why? Because Trump thought he could win with 66 million. Trump calls Biden’s votes “computer votes”, insinuating they were digitally created.

States want to revote because they were tricked into voting for Biden, and Pence can refuse to accept the results and let the states redo the election.

Ballots counted after Trump went to bed on election night aren’t valid.

The Supreme Court hates Trump and likes to rule against him to prove he doesn’t control them.

Changes to election laws opened the door for fraud.

Voter rolls are full of dead people, non-citizens, and people who have moved out of state.

People received as many as seven mail-in ballots.

Pennsylvania counted 205,000 more votes than they had voters. 8,000 dead people voted there. 14,000 votes were cast out of state. 10,000 were illegally counted after election day. 60,000 mail-in ballots were received before they were mailed out.

In Wisconsin, 91,000 votes were collected in illegal drop boxes. 170,000 absentee ballots were counted without applications for ballots being filed. 17,000 ballots were stuffed into duffel bags. 100,000 ballots were backdated.
Georgia didn’t reject enough absentee ballots, so logically tens of thousands of illegal ballots were added.

Registered voters weren’t asked if they were citizens so that illegal immigrants could vote. 10,300 dead people voted. 2,500 imprisoned felons voted illegally. 4,500 people voted who weren’t registered. 18,000 voters listed vacant buildings as their home address. 88,000 people had their voter registration backdated so they could vote. 66,000 minors voted. 15,000 people voted from out of state. Dominion voting machines counted votes wrong 93% of the time.

In Arizona, 36,000 non-citizens voted. 22,000 ballots were returned before they were mailed out. 150,000 voters registered after the deadline.

In Nevada, 130,000 ballots were counted without proper signature verification. 42,000 people voted twice. 1,500 dead people voted. 8,000 people who voted had no valid address. Somehow 150,000 people were physically injured by this.

In Michigan, 17,000 dead people voted. 174,000 ballots were cast that weren’t tied to a registered voter. Some ballots were recounted four or five times. Voter turnout in Detroit was 139%. Tens of thousands of ballots were counted after the deadline and all of them were for Biden. 6,000 votes were switched from Trump to Biden in one county.

He also had a rant about Hunter Biden, and claimed that his border wall had been built.

Obviously all of this is insane, and if it were true, then his lawyers would have argued these things in court, which they didn’t. Instead they just argued that changes to election laws were “unfair” but couldn’t state any way that the changes benefitted Democrats and hurt Republicans.
How would Democrats supposedly cheat the election?... (show quote)

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Biden had 81 million votes: 3o million of that were stolen from Trump votes.

Biden is the only president in US history that got the highest 81 million votes. He stayed in his basement, not allowed to come out for his
deficiencies will be displayed. All the plotted schemes to steal the election have already been prepared by the LIBS.
**Illegal aliens votes.
**Dead people voted.
** Convicts votes,
** Blank ballots filled up with Biden's name counted with no signatures.
** Mail-in fraudulent ballots
** Ballot harvesting
** Democrats canvas votes from the demented and old folks homes asked them to sign the ballot while the democrat filled in Biden's names.
**Dominion counting machines reprogrammed to transfer votes of Trump to Biden when counting.
**Destroying republican votes for Trump and not counting them.

More than 1000 professionals and high caliber officials testified under oath, the massive crimes they seen, and proven.

SC did not attempt to check the details, just allowed the idiot Biden win.

Votes of these Trump supporters were stolen moved to Biden
Votes of these Trump supporters were stolen moved ...





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Feb 12, 2022 17:18:10   #
Big Kahuna
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Yes, but more than half of them are dead or conceived in a copy machine....


There is so much fraud in those 6 swing states alone to account for at least 5 to 10 million illegal votes for Slo joe and that is just the swing states. Imagine how many illegal votes Slo Joe got in all 50 states. I would venture a guess that Slo joe really had only about 50 million legit votes and that's being generous.

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Feb 12, 2022 17:21:11   #
Big Kahuna
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Blade runner: faithful to Melania?
Does the name Stormy Daniels ring a bell? And apparently he paid for it. Both up front and for hush money later.
P.s. you shouldn't engage in name calling. It's juvenile. Which means many people will think less of you and of your opinions.


I think highly of Blade Runner but not very high of you. You yourself are a name caller so just keep the old trap shut.

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Feb 12, 2022 17:25:03   #
Big Kahuna
 
EmilyD wrote:
"Apparently" means "seemingly"...as in "maybe" or "possibly"...but NOT definitely.

So you believe a story that was published in the press about something that supposedly happened a few weeks before the 2016 election about Trump? The woman who hired fraud lawyer Michael Avenatti to represent her? Avenatti promised Daniels $800,000 for her story, and then swindled her out of $300,000 of it! And then he went to prison for swindling Nike. Not a very credible lawyer.

Not too many people wonder who it really was behind Avenatti and Daniel's ridiculous attempt to accuse Trump of paying Daniels, least of all Melania! ...The same people who investigated him for two years and found nothing....and the same people behind the two failed impeachment attempts and all the other harassment and attacks Trump had to endure while he was president.
"Apparently" means "seemingly"... (show quote)


Hitlery Rotten Clinton and her merry band of thugs and murderers were behind most of the unproven charges against Trump. The old alcoholic bag couldn't even cheat her way to victory.

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Feb 12, 2022 17:26:25   #
martsiva
 
JFlorio wrote:
Who cares?


'To act in the public`s interest'??? You are a shallow, petty man who doesn`t give a damn about public interests when you ignore the REAL threat to the public`s interests which is all the damage that the Democrats have done to this country!!!! I find you and those like you to be repugnant who ignore the real problems we have that are NOT in the public`s interest!! You are a hypocrite!!!

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Feb 12, 2022 17:32:29   #
martsiva
 
woodguru wrote:
Trump's fatal flaw is that he believed he was and is above the law...he further believed and still believes that his thuggish and morally deficient supporters will rise up and violently overthrow the government in support of him...

I say it is time to immediately indict him on what his supporters will refer to as insignificant and minor infractions for the purpose of forever denying him a position of public trust. I don't care if he is jailed or not, the continued fantasy that he will rise up again to go on a vindictive spree of lawlessness needs to be cancelled forever.
Trump's fatal flaw is that he believed he was and ... (show quote)


There you go AGAIN making a fool of yourself by displaying your usual hypocrisy!! It is time to indict Biden for all the damage he has done to this country!! YOU also prove over and over what a traitor you are to this country by supporting this damage!!!!

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Feb 12, 2022 17:46:01   #
martsiva
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
To Emily and Randy: I have no hesitancy to acknowledge that both JFK and Clinton were unfaithful and wrong. But apart from their affairs. I can't think of anything else they did that one might characterize as immoral.

There is no moral equivalence between Clinton and JFK on one hand and Trump on the other; one episode of wrong behavior doesn't equate to the many examples of Trump's wrongful behavior. Did you read any of the material I cited?

And once again, note that I have purposely refrained from attacking his job performance. That is irrelevant to my opinion that he is a despicable person, who should not appear to the world as representative of Americans.
To Emily and Randy: I have no hesitancy to acknow... (show quote)


Really?? But you think that destructive Democrats should appear to the world as representatives of Americans?? Did I get that right??

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Feb 12, 2022 17:50:15   #
martsiva
 
Tiptop789 wrote:
I don't


Of course you don`t because you support all the damage that has been done to this country by the Democrats!! Go ahead and deny that since you think Biden is so great!!!

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Feb 12, 2022 17:50:34   #
Radiance3
 
martsiva wrote:
'To act in the public`s interest'??? You are a shallow, petty man who doesn`t give a damn about public interests when you ignore the REAL threat to the public`s interests which is all the damage that the Democrats have done to this country!!!! I find you and those like you to be repugnant who ignore the real problems we have that are NOT in the public`s interest!! You are a hypocrite!!!

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Here are the conditions you called" public interests?"

1. Biden disastrous Afghan exit.:
Left $ 85 billion worth of US was materials to the Afghan. Now Afghans are selling them to the enemy countries of Iran, NK, China, the Arab countries.
Biden killed 13 army veterans during his dumb disastrous exit from the Afghans.
Biden left hundreds US citizens at the Afghans for Taliban to be tortured, raped, and enslaved.
2. Opened border walls. Stopped the border wall closures of president Trump.
Since 2021, 2 millions of illegal aliens were allowed to enter.
These aliens consist of the following:
Terrorists,
MS Gan13
Drug Dealers,
Drug Addicts,
Convicts
Rapists
Human traffickers.
They brought various diseases , Covid19, malaria, tuberculosis, and all kinds of infectious diseases.
Cost taxpayers more than $ 2 billion since Jan of 2021. Cost taxpayers $160 billion annually to feed maintain them.
Increased violence created. In Texas a child was killed by illegal alien recently.

Highest inflation since 40 years ago. 7.5 %
while those who've saved get only 1/2 of 1%
Our money is depleting 7% every year.

Gas, food, and heating energy went up to much. Gas at the pump average now at $3.89 to $4.70 in CA. In 2020 average was $2.12/gal. The people are suffering.

Russia, is about to launch attack on Ukraine.
China is expanding worldwide.
Iran is about to strike Israel.
NK as well getting raising is arms.

All of these are coming out cause they don't respect Biden. Biden does not know how to control.

But you called them your public interests.

Do you have a brain at all?[/i]

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Feb 12, 2022 18:15:46   #
fullspinzoo
 
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
You love Brandon?


Just more leftys making no sense at all.

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Feb 12, 2022 18:19:37   #
martsiva
 
permafrost wrote:
What a wild fantasy world you shelter in...

How have I ever been on the government tit???

As Vet and a business owner, I have made a good life, no one handed me a damn thing..

The Canadian truck convoy is now blocking and shutting down some of our auto industry. that is big money and the reason for the heavy handed action by the Canadian police.. watch for more and heavier..

All of the down side caused by the pandemic was predicted and any one with a mind would have taken some sort of preparation. Myself, I trimmed spending, purchased the years heating in advance and am not much bothered by costs so far.. it must be kept under review that is the norm, and nothing new..

Antifa remains a fine grass roots group fighting the right wing effort to over run our nation with only the chosen few enjoying what was intended to be the joy for all of living in gods finest nation..

You have the plot in mind and deeply wish for its completion..

Never under our watch.. vile person the you all are..

Shutting down the truckers seems no more then common sense.. it was originally only about needing the shot to cross the border into or from the USA. Now as scheduled some of the Mandates are aging off. so what do you want? Expanding the goals, just to keep the auto and other industries down??

what is your dumb crying about losing rights over this? Not at all.. Only the normal reaction to a civil disorder.. I can not tell you about Canadian politics, I do not pay attention to that.. we have more than plenty on our side of the wall and we can spend weeks bitching about a single point in our country.

Lost right and money??? the only things i have lost in the last 12 years were under trump.. and it would have been much more if the orange albatross had gotten his way..
What a wild fantasy world you shelter in... br b... (show quote)


You have just proven yourself to be a bold face liar when you say that Anti-fa is a 'fine grass roots group' when all here have seen the videos of them attacking Trump supporters and even the elderly!! You have also proven that are against freedom when you complain about these truckers who are fighting for freedom from these illegal mandates!! You have also proven yourself to be a traitor to this republic when you support the destruction the Democrats have done to this country!!!!

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Feb 12, 2022 18:23:41   #
fullspinzoo
 
martsiva wrote:
You have just proven yourself to be a bold face liar when you say that Anti-fa is a 'fine grass roots group' when all here have seen the videos of them attacking Trump supporters and even the elderly!! You have also proven that are against freedom when you complain about these truckers who are fighting for freedom from these illegal mandates!! You have also proven yourself to be a traitor to this republic when you support the destruction the Democrats have done to this country!!!!


Right on, martsiva!!! You have him pegged to a tee. Well said. Why anybody bothers with this traitor to this country..... ?

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