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Feb 12, 2022 16:02:52   #
Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Bottom line, FJB could NOT be any worse.


That's what I thought too, but then he manages to come up with something more stupid than the last.

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Feb 12, 2022 16:05:12   #
Grandpa Rick
 
Blade runner: faithful to Melania?
Does the name Stormy Daniels ring a bell? And apparently he paid for it. Both up front and for hush money later.
P.s. you shouldn't engage in name calling. It's juvenile. Which means many people will think less of you and of your opinions.

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Feb 12, 2022 16:05:53   #
Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Yes, but more than half of them are dead or conceived in a copy machine....



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Feb 12, 2022 16:06:46   #
guzzimaestro
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Yes, but more than half of them are dead or conceived in a copy machine....


Really, the squatter in the people's house needs to be removed, sent to Gitmo

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Feb 12, 2022 16:07:23   #
fullspinzoo
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Yes, but more than half of them are dead or conceived in a copy machine....

And 8 million more than the first black Prez absolutely mathematically IMPOSSIBLE. You people are loony-tunes if you think it's possible BHO was a huge deal and no 2- bit jackass like inconsequential also-ran, like the "gaffe machine" was going to garner more votes than history-making Barack. GET REAL!!!!

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Feb 12, 2022 16:10:47   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Blade runner: faithful to Melania?
Does the name Stormy Daniels ring a bell? And apparently he paid for it. Both up front and for hush money later.
P.s. you shouldn't engage in name calling. It's juvenile. Which means many people will think less of you and of your opinions.


Blade runner is one of the most intelligent people on this site. He was correct. You seem to have a comprehension problem. Stormy Daniels was before Trump was President. Fortunately, I never look too any politician as a bastion of moral values. At least not mine. Jimmy Carter seemed like a nice, very moral man. How’d that workout?

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Feb 12, 2022 16:12:16   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Recent revelations about Trump's handling of presidential documents is likely to start a new round of attacks and defenses, usually ad hominem but almost certainly to rehash his perceived (according to your political view) successes and failures. Defenders will accuse attackers of Trump Derangement Syndrome, and call them "Trump haters".

I don't hate Trump; I despise (feel contempt or deep repugnance for) him. I'll tell you why, and offer the materials I rely on for this opinion so you can judge for yourself. But I want to make it clear from the outset that I am dealing with the person, not the politician, so please don't try to refute me by reciting all the "good" things he did.

One other preliminary point: Trump is well known for rushing to the courts for relief. The fact that apparently he did not do so for the first two occurrences I'm about to discuss gives rise to a pretty strong inference of veracity.

When Trump first became a serious presidential candidate I wanted to learn more about him, so I went to the internet. Two articles came up that I found significant. You can read them, and related articles, for yourself. Just google "trump bulgari jewelry" and "trump deposition perjury article". Here are brief summaries:

Bulgari: Forbes magazine reports on a history of conspiracy to evade New York tax laws in which Trump was an active participant. He escaped conviction by turning on the Bulgari jewelry company. Go to the web for details of the duration and extent of Trump's involvement, and consider this: why would a rich man like Trump engage in a criminal operation for a relatively small return? Conclusion: Trump is not only a crook, but a cheap one to boot. Inference: if he is willing to engage in one criminal enterprise for a relatively small return, he willing to engage in others. Areas of suspicion: the Trump Foundation; the lawsuit brought by his niece; the current investigations by New York and Georgia.

Deposition: This article appeared in Newsweek. Google will also show several related articles. Cynics often tell us that "all politicians lie", and sadly, they are pretty much right. But how would you like to be in court with your life or liberty on the line and hear a police officer lie? Or be a victim in a civil or criminal case listening to a defendant and his friends lie? I'm a retired trial lawyer, and I have to acknowledge that I've lost cases where I am convinced the other side fabricated testimony. If you have a lawyer, ask him or her about lying witnesses.

If your oath means nothing when a personal interest is at stake, can I rely on you to act in the public interest rather than your own?

As time passed, other incidents came to light. Google "trump central park 5 article", and put it together with Trump (and his father) being sued by the Justice Department in 1973 for discriminating against black rental applicants, his repeal during his presidency of a rule intended to combat historical racial discrimination in housing, and his (in)famous comment on Charleston, about good people on both sides. Even if you're not prepared to infer racism you must admit a insensitivity to a substantial percentage of our population that is inappropriate to one who is supposed to lead us all.

And the word "inappropriate" brings to mind his attitude towards and conduct with women.

As to his propensity for fraud, we learned that he avoided the prospect of military service because of shin splints, diagnosed by a doctor who was a tenant of his father. Fortunately, they weren't so severe as to keep him from playing golf. Much more serious, however, was the Trump University scandal. For many years I taught law as an adjunct professor (translation: minimum paid lecturer) at a law school that focused on law as either a second career or to further a current career. Students paid a lot of money to try to enhance their earning ability, often sacrificing time with their family and common pleasures (movies, dining out) for financial reasons. I developed a lot of respect for my students, which is why I have great sympathy for the Trump University students who were defrauded of both time and money. Trumped coughed up $25 million to settle the lawsuit.

Current fraud problems involve real estate valuations in the context of both loan applications and property tax evaluations. It's fair to assume some court action is on the horizon.

Conclusion: I've given you several examples showing Trump's immorality. I could go on but I've probably exhausted your patience. Suffice it to say that I have a deep repugnance for Trump's conduct as described, and for that reason have nothing but contempt for the man. "Hatred", which is defined as "intense ill will", is insufficient to describe my feelings about him.
Recent revelations about Trump's handling of presi... (show quote)


You love Brandon?

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Feb 12, 2022 16:18:44   #
debeda
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You're right, there is no moral equivalence between Clinton and JFK on one hand and Trump on the other.

While serving as president, Donald Trump did not get blow jobs from interns in the Oval Office, he didn't have affairs with WH secretaries, or sexually harass female staff, or screw mob molls and movie stars in the WH pool while Melania wasn't looking, or board the Lolita Express along with his Secret Service PPD and young women and fly to Orgy Island and elsewhere 39 times as did Bill Clinton. Compared to JFK, Clinton was an altar boy.

Bottom line, while serving as POTUS, Donald Trump remained faithful to Melania, never sexually harassed or had trysts with any woman in the WH or anywhere else. Had he done so, the media would have been all over that like starving dogs tearing at a piece of meat.

So, Gramps, where do you get off passing moral judgements on people you hate?
Don't you realize that is above your pay grade?

Prudish old fart.
You're right, there is no moral equivalence betwee... (show quote)


Right on, Blade!!!👍👍👍

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Feb 12, 2022 16:18:59   #
EmilyD
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Blade runner: faithful to Melania?
Does the name Stormy Daniels ring a bell? And apparently he paid for it. Both up front and for hush money later.
P.s. you shouldn't engage in name calling. It's juvenile. Which means many people will think less of you and of your opinions.

"Apparently" means "seemingly"...as in "maybe" or "possibly"...but NOT definitely.

So you believe a story that was published in the press about something that supposedly happened a few weeks before the 2016 election about Trump? The woman who hired fraud lawyer Michael Avenatti to represent her? Avenatti promised Daniels $800,000 for her story, and then swindled her out of $300,000 of it! And then he went to prison for swindling Nike. Not a very credible lawyer.

Not too many people wonder who it really was behind Avenatti and Daniel's ridiculous attempt to accuse Trump of paying Daniels, least of all Melania! ...The same people who investigated him for two years and found nothing....and the same people behind the two failed impeachment attempts and all the other harassment and attacks Trump had to endure while he was president.

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Feb 12, 2022 16:19:32   #
debeda
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Yes, but more than half of them are dead or conceived in a copy machine....


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Feb 12, 2022 16:21:25   #
son of witless
 
permafrost wrote:
We do not want the destruction of America , that is why we can accept those outliers who oppose and fight the orange mob who attempts to bring down America and put a dictator into office who would end the country as it has been for over 200 years.. only fools and those in cahoots with the evil wanna be ruler would ever say the things you trump cult right wingers post and claim to believe..


It's almost as if you copied what Conservatives said about Young Barry Obama or Olde Joe Biden, and then changed their names to Trump.

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Feb 12, 2022 16:22:11   #
Radiance3
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Blade runner: faithful to Melania?
Does the name Stormy Daniels ring a bell? And apparently he paid for it. Both up front and for hush money later.
P.s. you shouldn't engage in name calling. It's juvenile. Which means many people will think less of you and of your opinions.

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Stormy Daniels was a professional hooker. She targeted rich men, baited on them, then sued them in order to extort lots of money. Donald Trump was a victim. They are all democrats like you, by the way.

So you like Bill Clinton and Hillary? She plans to run for the WH again. Despite of the fact, she is loaded with corrupt activities her greed for power never ends.

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Feb 12, 2022 16:26:26   #
AmericanEagle Loc: Indiana
 
Well first of all Mr. professor I’m assuming you’re a liberal. Second of all I don’t Google anything I use DuckDuckGo as my search engine.

First of all politicians for the most part sick and me except for a select few great conservatives. The Bidens and Clintons are as despicable and dirty as they come. So don’t tell me about destroying documents because Hillary Clinton holds the record for that and the laws never do apply for Democrats. It’s always rules for thee, but not for me. Democrats is morally bankrupt and corrupt as they come. Look at the fake Russian collusion hoax that went on for years but paid for by the Democrats and Hillary Clinton.
Mower and his angry henchmen couldn’t find one thing and all of that time well they made up collusion allegations in order to try to find some thing else which they found zero!

I guarantee you the insurrection was brought about by the Democrats and we know the one federal agent it was called multiple times on video trying to instigate Trump supporters to break into the capital. And that is a fact because there’s a video of him doing just that. Once again though the kangaroo insurrection committee Won’t tell us that.
Washington is a deep swamp and we need term limits to get rid of these scumbags that are getting rich off of the system and if there are far too long. What’s their incentive to do anything good for the American people?

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Feb 12, 2022 16:28:01   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:
Yes, but more than half of them are dead or conceived in a copy machine....

That ol' dog don't hunt.

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Feb 12, 2022 16:32:25   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Grandpa Rick wrote:
Blade runner: faithful to Melania?
Does the name Stormy Daniels ring a bell? And apparently he paid for it. Both up front and for hush money later.
P.s. you shouldn't engage in name calling. It's juvenile. Which means many people will think less of you and of your opinions.
I'm talking about a president's behavior while serving in office.
Donald Trump was not POTUS in 2006. Probably wasn't even thinking about running for POTUS.

FYI: Donald Trump is not the only businessman, real estate tycoon, and celebrity on this planet who lived large among the glitter and gold of the high rolling life, surrounded by hoards beautiful women, many of whom were themselves sexual predators. He gave all that up to run for POTUS.

And, be advised, I don't give a tinker's damn what you or any other hateful a$$hole thinks of me.
So, ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐, Gramps, ya prudish old fart.

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