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Can someone tell me just when Global Warming will kick in ?
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Feb 6, 2022 14:09:23   #
American Vet
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Son, Open your eyes it kicked in long ago. It's like a huge snowball rolling down hill, picking up energy as it continues. The East coast of the United States is experiencing more frequent hurricanes and of greater intensity every year. The West coast has seen record drought and fires every year. The middle of the continent has seen increasing floods and cyclones. Rivers are going dry in India, Mountain and continental glaciers are melting faster than ever. The salmon runs in Alaska are decreasing as is big halibut catches due to warming waters. Global warming has had a negative impact on eco systems all over the world. Thats the good news. The bad news is it will continue to get worse until we start doing something about it, and then it may not reverse itself for centuries if ever.
Son, Open your eyes it kicked in long ago. It's li... (show quote)



>>>>>The East coast of the United States is experiencing more frequent hurricanes and of greater intensity every year.

Recent papers (Vecchi and Knutson 2008; Landsea et al 2010; Vecchi and Knutson 2011.; Villarini et al. 2011) suggest that, based on careful examination of the Atlantic tropical storm database (HURDAT) and on estimates of how many storms were likely missed in the past, it is likely that the increase in Atlantic tropical storm and hurricane frequency in HURDAT since the late-1800s is primarily due to improved monitoring
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

Atlantic hurricane numbers by year
2000 15
2001 15
2002 12
2003 16
2004 15
2005 28
2006 10
2007 15
2008 16
2009 9
2010 19
2011 19
2012 19
2013 14
2014 8
2015 11
2016 15
2017 17
http://www.stormfax.com/huryear.htm

>>>>>The West coast has seen record drought and fires every year

"Investigating the ... arid lands, I passed through South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Washington, Oregon, and Idaho by train. Among the valleys, with mountains on every side, during all that trip a mountain was never seen. This was because the fires in the mountains created such a smoke that the whole country was enveloped by it ... "This squinty-eyed report came from Major John Wesley Powell back in 1889.
https://www.hcn.org/issues/251/13986

Not to mention that numerous studies indicate that poor forest management, not climate change, to blame for wildfires.


>>>>>>The bad news is it will continue to get worse until we start doing something about it

So, who is "we"?

And what prompts you to say "until we start doing something about it"? That seems to imply nothing has been done to date.

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Feb 6, 2022 15:27:45   #
Gatsby
 
American Vet wrote:
>>>>>The East coast of the United States is experiencing more frequent hurricanes and of greater intensity every year.

Recent papers (Vecchi and Knutson 2008; Landsea et al 2010; Vecchi and Knutson 2011.; Villarini et al. 2011) suggest that, based on careful examination of the Atlantic tropical storm database (HURDAT) and on estimates of how many storms were likely missed in the past, it is likely that the increase in Atlantic tropical storm and hurricane frequency in HURDAT since the late-1800s is primarily due to improved monitoring
https://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/historical-atlantic-hurricane-and-tropical-storm-records/

Atlantic hurricane numbers by year
2000 15
2001 15
2002 12
2003 16
2004 15
2005 28
2006 10
2007 15
2008 16
2009 9
2010 19
2011 19
2012 19
2013 14
2014 8
2015 11
2016 15
2017 17
http://www.stormfax.com/huryear.htm

>>>>>The West coast has seen record drought and fires every year

"Investigating the ... arid lands, I passed through South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Washington, Oregon, and Idaho by train. Among the valleys, with mountains on every side, during all that trip a mountain was never seen. This was because the fires in the mountains created such a smoke that the whole country was enveloped by it ... "This squinty-eyed report came from Major John Wesley Powell back in 1889.
https://www.hcn.org/issues/251/13986

Not to mention that numerous studies indicate that poor forest management, not climate change, to blame for wildfires.


>>>>>>The bad news is it will continue to get worse until we start doing something about it

So, who is "we"?

And what prompts you to say "until we start doing something about it"? That seems to imply nothing has been done to date.
>>>>>The East coast of the United S... (show quote)


In 1889 PG&E wasn't starting hundreds of those fires either.

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Feb 6, 2022 15:56:46   #
RobertV2
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Did you happen to catch the weather info about the clouds covering 5 states had continuous lightning strikes, none of which touched down ? The lightning just continued across the clouds over 5 states. What sort of weather is this ?
As far as the carbon cycle, are you referring to the fact that as long as the carbon stays in the ground , things above ground maintain continuum. We will never be able to put all the carbon back into the ground.
But, could we use these ideas to our own benefit? Could we achieve some sort of autonomy by creating a defense against global warming? One that could create jobs in the environmental section owned and operated by the workers themselves?
Why do we really need fat old bald guys for CEOs dragging all of the cash home?
When we could be working on the problems at hand, and not creating more?
Did you happen to catch the weather info about the... (show quote)


I'm glad I read this. You said "owned and operated by the workers themselves". I was astonished. Where did you get that idea? I agree that some things should be "owned and operated by the workers themselves", but I'm just surprised to see anyone else say so on OPP.

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Feb 6, 2022 16:02:48   #
RobertV2
 
archie bunker wrote:
You really have issues with people making a profit, don't you?


There are lots of ways to make profits. One of them is theft.

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Feb 6, 2022 16:11:54   #
RobertV2
 
RandyBrian wrote:
[...]
Capitalism is far and away the most successful way of getting wealth into the hands of the poor.
[...]


Probably not.

Many countries (including the U.S.) have a mix of capitalism and socialism. I believe Northern European countries have smaller proportions of poor people than the U.S. does. They also have more socialism in their mix.

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Feb 6, 2022 16:13:59   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
RobertV2 wrote:
Probably not.

Many countries (including the U.S.) have a mix of capitalism and socialism. I believe Northern European countries have smaller proportions of poor people than the U.S. does. They also have more socialism in their mix.


Meaning those who produce foot the bill for those who won't produce.

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Feb 6, 2022 16:20:49   #
RobertV2
 
saltwind 78 wrote:
Son, Open your eyes it kicked in long ago. It's like a huge snowball rolling down hill, picking up energy as it continues. The East coast of the United States is experiencing more frequent hurricanes and of greater intensity every year. The West coast has seen record drought and fires every year. The middle of the continent has seen increasing floods and cyclones. Rivers are going dry in India, Mountain and continental glaciers are melting faster than ever. The salmon runs in Alaska are decreasing as is big halibut catches due to warming waters. Global warming has had a negative impact on eco systems all over the world. Thats the good news. The bad news is it will continue to get worse until we start doing something about it, and then it may not reverse itself for centuries if ever.
Son, Open your eyes it kicked in long ago. It's li... (show quote)


I think everything in that comment you wrote is true (although I don't know about "cyclones" in the U.S. -- "tornadoes" maybe), and it's a good description of what's happening (though not literally "good news"). Thank you.

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Feb 6, 2022 16:25:37   #
RobertV2
 
dtucker300 wrote:
You are fixated on the past. There is universal agreement that cigarettes are unhealthy, we have seat belts that save lives more than they don't, and lead has been removed from gasoline because it is no longer needed as a lubricant thanks to technological changes in ICEs.


Lessons learned from the past may apply to the present.

"Big Tobacco" is analogous to "Big Oil".

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Feb 6, 2022 16:42:41   #
RobertV2
 
archie bunker wrote:
Meaning those who produce foot the bill for those who won't produce.


Not necessarily. The first meaning is simply that there's a smaller proportion of poor people there. Beyond that, we could guess that there's also a smaller proportion of unproductive people there.

But then, let's suppose for a moment that you're right, that "those who produce foot the bill for those who [don't] produce". (You said "won't"; I replaced it with "don't".). If that is true, then:

_Why_ are those people not producing? Can you assume it's because they "won't", that is, they refuse to produce?

And:

Is it a good investment or a bad investment for those who can to do the paying? It might be a good investment. Maybe it will lead, not only to (a) a smaller proportion of poor people, but also to (b) a larger proportion of productive people, (c) more well-being overall, and (d) a greater proportion of payers in the future.

Whatever's going on over there, it seems to have produced good results -- better than what's going on over here.

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Feb 6, 2022 17:12:54   #
pegw
 
I have lived on a river for 35 years
When we first moved to this location, the river froze over between Christmas and New Years and the ice would break up around the spring equanox. In the past 6 years it has frozen over twice, both times for under a month. So if thes isn't global warming, I don't knoe what your expecting, palm trees?

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Feb 6, 2022 17:35:08   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
RobertV2 wrote:
You reduce your credibility by your use of words "lefties" and "evil". It makes it harder to reply cleanly to you. It looks like your side of the discussion is not made in good faith. I understand there's some humor involved, and yet even in this thread some of the others are treating the topic somewhat seriously.

Whoever wants to understand Global Warming would do well to distinguish between _climate_ and _weather_. Your original post, while possibly meant lightly as a joke, appears to conflate climate and weather as though they were the same thing. This wrong conflation has been going on in public discourse for years, as with the congressman trying to make a point about climate change by exhibiting a snowball, and as with "the former guy" (former president Trump) not taking climate change seriously. Their wrong conflations of weather and climate look silly, and yet a lot of people really don't seem to understand the distinction. Weather is about day-to-day phenomena, such as whether it's raining today or not, or hotter or colder today. Climate is about longer-term trends.

In answer to your title question: "Can someone tell me just when Global Warming will kick in ?": It already has. Global ice is melting too rapidly; sea levels are already rising too rapidly; extreme weather events (hot, cold, wet, & dry events) (climate change disrupts normal weather patterns) are too rapidly becoming too extreme and too frequent. I don't have any precise date (supposing I were to pretend that you really wanted to know), but I would say offhand that, sometime between about 4 years ago and now, the effects of global warming began to become fairly obvious to tens of millions of people, including some in the Pacific Northwest of the U.S. (where people died in an unusual heat wave several months ago) and in some low-lying island nations and in some coastal areas such as in Vietnam (where very-low-elevation farming, by the coast, is important), and to the fewer number of people who study images of earth photographed from space.

Of course climate change over long periods of time is normal; the problem is that the climate change that's happening nowadays is happening much more rapidly than normal, such that normal adaptations are insufficient. In my opinion, to most of us, in our day-to-day lives, it doesn't _look_ like a really terrible disaster yet (for example, here in California, while we do get more wildfires and smoke than we used to, so far the vast majority of us have been able to live through it and still live normal lives). But for millions of others (in some of the places I mentioned above) the disaster is already more proximate and appears as a more urgent matter already.

And the problems are accelerating.

Let's pretend for a moment that all of "science" is worthless and everybody ignores it. Then, we in California would still notice that we get more fires and smoke than we used to, and we'd be wondering why that's happening. And a lot of people in the Pacific Northwest would be wondering why they got such an unusually deadly heat wave last year; it would be hard to discount it as normal variability. And the Vietnamese coastal farmers can't help but notice that their farming doesn't work the same way it used to because of salinity from the rising ocean getting into their farmlands. All these things have been becoming obvious during the past few years (and -- dipping back into "the science" for a moment -- all stem from climate change, which you'll probably know after about three more years pass -- melting polar ice and melting permafrost have effects that reinforce the warming trend, and the melting ice makes a significant difference in the sea level, having dramatic effects on some low-lying island nations and some coastal areas on mainlands).
You reduce your credibility by your use of words &... (show quote)




Climate change is an on going thing. So who is to say it's happening faster then it should. Or how long the current trend will last. Global warming may already be over. But being environmentally friendly is a good thing and conserving our resources can be beneficial for future generations. If governments actually thought global warming was a real problem do you think they would let thousands acres of the rain forests burn every week? Forests eat twice as much CO2 as they produce so why would they cut down the one thing that can save us from the threat of global warming?
Nuclear energy has it's pros and cons but should never be built near an ocean as Fukushima has taught us. They almost declared the Pacific ocean a dead ocean and are still monitoring radiation in fish that are cought there . Speaking of oceans, wave farms would produce endless energy 24/7 all year long.. much more efficient then wind farms and more reliable then solar. Global warming doesn't have to be real to get us thinking about alternate sustainable energy while protecting the environment and that's a good thing.

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Feb 6, 2022 17:39:58   #
American Vet
 
pegw wrote:
I have lived on a river for 35 years
When we first moved to this location, the river froze over between Christmas and New Years and the ice would break up around the spring equanox. In the past 6 years it has frozen over twice, both times for under a month. So if thes isn't global warming, I don't knoe what your expecting, palm trees?


The issue is not 'global warming' or 'climate change'. Warming and cooling periods have occurred since the world began.

The issue is about climate change caused by man, if it is causing climate change (and how much), and what "we" can do about it.

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Feb 6, 2022 17:59:12   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Gatsby wrote:
In 1889 PG&E wasn't starting hundreds of those fires either.


True that .

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Feb 6, 2022 18:04:05   #
son of witless
 
SinnieK wrote:
I can tell you for sure that global temperature is taking turn between warming and cooling throughout the earth existence. There is no manmade global warming it was created by the globalist to destroy America and its people so this EVIL cabal can take control of America and the world.


Between my part time jobs and full time jobs, I have worked outside for close to 50 years. In that time I have seen every kind of winter and summer. Hot, cold, dry, wet, calm, and stormy. I worked at a ski area 1972-73 and wanted a cold winter, but we got a warm one.

I worked outside during, it might have been January of 1977 where for 2 weeks our high temperature was 5 degrees. Then 2 or 3 years of warm winters. I remember the winter from hell 1993-94 where for 6 weeks it either snowed or was below 10 degrees and hit -22 degrees, the coldest it was ever in my neck of the woods. For 2 months the snow never melted. Everyone ran out of places to push the snow. The frost went down 4 feet and broke the sewer line coming out of my house.

The lake near my house sometimes does not freeze over for sometimes 3 or 4 years. This year it has ice fishermen out on it. The last few years it has frozen over. If there was any long term warming the ski areas within driving distance of my home would have gone bankrupt by now.

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Feb 6, 2022 18:15:34   #
son of witless
 
lindajoy wrote:
WTH??? There aren’t 9 billion people in the world yet..Thats not projected until 2037… Which just doesn’t add up that we would have that many if we’re killing ourselves off now, does it?? Or any of these numbers the “UN” throws out here.🤔

Boy they are pouring it on thick killing ourselves off while projecting this “ over population” they want to do away with, eh??

“The United Nations projects world population to reach 10 billion in the year 2057. 9 Billion (2037) World population is expected to reach 9 billion in the year 2037. 8 Billion (2023) World population is expected to reach 8 billion people in 2023 according to the United Nations (in 2026 according to the U.S. Census Bureau). 7.9 Billion (2021)”
WTH??? There aren’t 9 billion people in the world ... (show quote)



Fossil fuels have allowed more people to live on planet Earth. That is their main contribution.
Use of fossil fuel really got going in the 19th century. Before that time population was limited. You had the rich and the poor. We still have the rich and the poor. If we limit fossil fuels, then we must reduce the population to the levels of 1800.

I wonder how many Global Warmers will volunteer got to Mars and not come back, or will volunteer to commit suicide to save Mother Earth ?

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