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Jun 20, 2014 14:03:49   #
Anigav6969
 
Super Dave wrote:
I agree it's not 100% unbiased. Nobody is. But there isn't a more fair news source on the tube.


I highly disagree....but I still watch it...along with all the other stations

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Jun 20, 2014 14:17:34   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Up and down the line liberal media was screaming for Bush's head or anyone's head in the administration (still are) and quite frankly I'm sick of it. Liberals act as though it was one person and one person only, In the House, 215 Republicans voted Yes, 6 No and 2 Present; 81 Democrats voted Yes, 126 No (61% of the delegation) and 1 Present; the sole Independent voted No. The final vote was 296 Yes (69% of the House), 133 No, and 3 Present.

That is a far greater number of democrats than republicans who voted for ObamaCare

In the Senate, 28 Democrats voted Yes (56% of the delegation, including Senators Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Bayh, and Daschle) and 22 voted No; 49 Republicans voted Yes and one voted No (Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island). Note that the Democrats controlled the Senate and could have postponed a vote on the Resolution until after the November election.


Glaucon wrote:
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A great example of hearing what you want to hear and disregarding the rest. This is called the confirmation bias and it is a major reason we think and do dumb and self destructive things.

Yes, liberals are guilty of this, also, but some people don't believe two wrongs make a right. Confirmation bias is a fundamental human characteristic. Can we control it in ourselves so that it doesn't continue to control us or will we allow this fatal flaw to destroy us?

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Jun 20, 2014 14:28:50   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Glaucon wrote:
There are not too many Medals of Freedom being handed out. It is a very rare honor for those who make the very most positive contributions to the welfare of our country. It is the civilian equivalent of the military Medal of Honor. Do you think too many Medals of Honor are being “handed out.”

Tenet was responsible for obtaining accurate information. It was extremely important to get it right because the lives of 186,000 people depended on it. He was wrong and they died. That doesn’t sound like the kind of competency that would get you a wall plague or a certificate suitably for framing..

Everyone, other countries, Democrats, even I believed Bush’s misinformation. It seemed impossible that the greatest spy agency in history and in the world would not have accurate information on Iraq’s weaponry and it seemed in was unlikely that an American president could go to war on bogus information or that he would lie to his country and the world. The point is, everyone got their information from the same source: Tenet and Bush. Everyone trusted us and our president. Of course we all used the same information, it came from the same place and we trusted too much by everyone.

I do not long for Saddam’s leadership or George W. Bush’s “leadership, and I would be opposed to invading any of the other countries of whose leadership I do not approve.

My opinion is that Tenet was given the medal and other perks to keep him from blowing the whistle on Bush and cohorts and the real reasons for the invasion. However, you don’t sound like someone who can hear what is real and disregard the rest. However, I could be wrong about all of it.
There are not too many Medals of Freedom being ha... (show quote)
Seriously? Blow what whistle? What 'Real' reason? Revenge war for oil or something?

Let me get this right. Bush was the only person on the planet smart enough to figure out Saddam was hiding his lack of WMD's? The UN was fooled, Russia was fooled, The Euro-Countries were fooled, Bill and Hill were fooled, Kerry and Biden were fooled (OK, Biden doesn't prove much..), Ted Kennedy was fooled, Rockefeller was fooled. A whole pile of Democrats and Republicans were fooled... But Bush knew all along that Saddam had no WMD's... Really?

As for Tenet, his job was not to omnipotent. His job was to do his best. I would have held his Freedom medal along with most that have been tossed into the crowd since then, but I'd give it to him before Oprah.

And yes, I think they give out medals like souvenir ash trays now and it cheapens them.

As for the war, given the information at the time, it was the right call. And given the fact that the Democrats fell all over themselves to vote for it, It was (unlike many current acts) bi-partisan.

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Jun 20, 2014 14:36:20   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Also let us not forget this isn't the only war. We have one in Afghanistan. This is the war that Obama trotted around telling everyone how important it was. Well, Obama has already scheduled the Afghanistan surrender.

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Jun 20, 2014 14:37:08   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Anigav6969 wrote:
I highly disagree....but I still watch it...along with all the other stations
Name you 'less biased' TV news sources please.

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Jun 20, 2014 14:38:40   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Wouldn't this make Bush the smartest person on this planet? Bush was as clueless as the rest, bad intel will do it every time.



Super Dave wrote:
Seriously? Blow what whistle? What 'Real' reason? Revenge war for oil or something?

Let me get this right. Bush was the only person on the planet smart enough to figure out Saddam was hiding his lack of WMD's? The UN was fooled, Russia was fooled, The Euro-Countries were fooled, Bill and Hill were fooled, Kerry and Biden were fooled (OK, Biden doesn't prove much..), Ted Kennedy was fooled, Rockefeller was fooled. A whole pile of Democrats and Republicans were fooled... But Bush knew all along that Saddam had no WMD's... Really?

As for Tenet, his job was not to omnipotent. His job was to do his best. I would have held his Freedom medal along with most that have been tossed into the crowd since then, but I'd give it to him before Oprah.

And yes, I think they give out medals like souvenir ash trays now and it cheapens them.

As for the war, given the information at the time, it was the right call. And given the fact that the Democrats fell all over themselves to vote for it, It was (unlike many current acts) bi-partisan.
Seriously? Blow what whistle? What 'Real' reason? ... (show quote)

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Jun 20, 2014 15:54:22   #
Anigav6969
 
Super Dave wrote:
Name you 'less biased' TV news sources please.


For me CNN is not as biased...obviously MSNBC is for the democrats....FOX for the republicans

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Jun 20, 2014 16:00:14   #
Glaucon
 
Super Dave wrote:
I agree it's not 100% unbiased. Nobody is. But there isn't a more fair news source on the tube.


We almost always choose the news source that is biased in as nearly the same way that we are biased. It is one manifestation of the confirmation bias. If it is "fair" it means you shear its biases. It is not that its not 100% unbiased, It is and always will be 100% biased.

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Jun 20, 2014 16:01:48   #
Glaucon
 
Anigav6969 wrote:
For me CNN is not as biased...obviously MSNBC is for the democrats....FOX for the republicans



An unbiased news source is one that agrees with our biases. A biased one is one that has different biases than we do. That simple.

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Jun 20, 2014 16:19:07   #
Glaucon
 
Super Dave wrote:
I agree it's not 100% unbiased. Nobody is. But there isn't a more fair news source on the tube.


This is a democracy, start a "news" source that is biased in the way you want it to be. There is no such thing as an unbiased source. It is only unbiased when it has the same biases as you do and it is only biased when it doesn't. Reality is a bitch.

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Jun 20, 2014 16:20:43   #
Glaucon
 
bmac32 wrote:
Wouldn't this make Bush the smartest person on this planet? Bush was as clueless as the rest, bad intel will do it every time.
The following quote seems to sum up what you are expressing:

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we have been bamboozled enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We are no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we have been taken. once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. Carl Sagan

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Jun 20, 2014 16:22:22   #
Glaucon
 
bmac32 wrote:
Wouldn't this make Bush the smartest person on this planet? Bush was as clueless as the rest, bad intel will do it every time.


One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we have been bamboozled enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We are no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we have been taken. once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. Carl Sagan

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Jun 20, 2014 16:29:51   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
CNN skips over too many stories or delays the stories. I read headlines for AP, UPI, Reuters and then Bloomburg News and then compare with FOX NEWS. Every programs complained about here is NOT news, it's commentary.


Anigav6969 wrote:
For me CNN is not as biased...obviously MSNBC is for the democrats....FOX for the republicans

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Jun 20, 2014 16:37:35   #
Nickolai
 
Super Dave wrote:
Seriously? Blow what whistle? What 'Real' reason? Revenge war for oil or something?

Let me get this right. Bush was the only person on the planet smart enough to figure out Saddam was hiding his lack of WMD's? The UN was fooled, Russia was fooled, The Euro-Countries were fooled, Bill and Hill were fooled, Kerry and Biden were fooled (OK, Biden doesn't prove much..), Ted Kennedy was fooled, Rockefeller was fooled. A whole pile of Democrats and Republicans were fooled... But Bush knew all along that Saddam had no WMD's... Really?

As for Tenet, his job was not to omnipotent. His job was to do his best. I would have held his Freedom medal along with most that have been tossed into the crowd since then, but I'd give it to him before Oprah.

And yes, I think they give out medals like souvenir ash trays now and it cheapens them.

As for the war, given the information at the time, it was the right call. And given the fact that the Democrats fell all over themselves to vote for it, It was (unlike many current acts) bi-partisan.
Seriously? Blow what whistle? What 'Real' reason? ... (show quote)





I never bought into the false hood for a moment. It made no sense that Saddamm had hundered of tones of Chemical biological and nuclear weapons and a means to deliver them . It was apparent to me and should have to anyone with halfa brain that Saddamm was a toothles old tiger that could barely hold Iraq together let alone be a threat to his neighbors or any body else. His forces had been decimated in the Gulf War only to have to put down a shite uprising in the south immediately afterward. Clinton had bombed Iraq for years and shot down anything that dared enter the no fly zones. The economic embargo had a disastrous effect on the Iraqi health care system with over 500,000 children dying from mal nutrition. Watching Bush Cheney closely it was obvious they were cherry picking intelligence and selling it on Sunday talk shows to drum up support. I could see it because I remembered the woman that appeared before a Senate committee crying and gasping that Sadamm's men came into the hospital and threw all the babies on the floor. Obviously to demonize Saddamm to the American people and make a better case for war.
She gave only one name but it was revealed that she was the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US. It was classic war time propaganda.
It should have been obvious to people like Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Joe Biden and other folks of ordinary intelligence that what Dick Bush Cheney put Collin Powell up too at the United Nations was pure propaganda. I never believed any of it for a moment. The American people have tricked into going to war too many times throughout our history that it's made me highly skeptical of such efforts

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Jun 20, 2014 16:51:37   #
The Dutchman
 
Anigav6969 wrote:
For me CNN is not as biased...obviously MSNBC is for the democrats....FOX for the republicans


Why is CNN one of the lowest rated sites out there?

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